Hot Soil Recipes & Teas...

I'm a former organic grower who is returning to organic growing (didn't like soilless/chemical).

I'm mixing a pretty hot soil; a variation of a soil I used on successful grows done from day 1 with only tap water. But I'm curious about teas. Is there the chance that compost-based teas would push my grow into the nute-burn stratosphere?

I've always wondered how tea strength affects hot soil grows.

Thanks

H.M. Murdoch said:

I'm a former organic grower who is returning to organic growing (didn't like soilless/chemical).

I'm mixing a pretty hot soil; a variation of a soil I used on successful grows done from day 1 with only tap water. But I'm curious about teas. Is there the chance that compost-based teas would push my grow into the nute-burn stratosphere?

I've always wondered how tea strength affects hot soil grows.

Thanks

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Welcome back!

If your soil is already hot, then really no need for more microbes. More microbes doesnt mean more yield. Much more then that.
I would focus on enzyme teas to help breAk down the npks into available nutrient.
Look into coco water, aloe , suoer sprout teas, and lacto bacillus or em1.

H.M. Murdoch said:

But I'm curious about teas. Is there the chance that compost-based teas would push my grow into the nute-burn stratosphere?

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Im fairly new to the organic side of things, but from what i understand a truly organic tea cant ever burn your plants. Your not actually adding any kind of nutrient, but microbes to break down the organic matter in your soil. so there is nothing to burn your plants with. please someone correct me if i'm wrong.

Cannabidude said:

Im fairly new to the organic side of things, but from what i understand a truly organic tea cant ever burn your plants. Your not actually adding any kind of nutrient, but microbes to break down the organic matter in your soil. so there is nothing to burn your plants with. please someone correct me if i'm wrong.

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No your right, however, the tea iss packed with microbes, and if the soil is already packed with nutrients/microbes, addind more thru a tea wont make things better or worse(to a certain extent)

More microbes might mean more nutrients being readily available to the plant quicker which may mean nutrient burn. If your soil is already hot I wouldn't fuck with anything unless you see a deficiency in some way.

FresnoFarmer said:

More microbes might mean more nutrients being readily available to the plant quicker which may mean nutrient burn. If your soil is already hot I wouldn't fuck with anything unless you see a deficiency in some way.

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Yes, it's hot. And I think you're right. Unless I see a deficiency, I'm just gonna use plain water.

The last time I used a soil recipe similar to the one I've just mixed, I didn't notice any deficiencies at all.

Carbohydrates are the way to go when using a super soil type growing medium

Cannabidude said:

Im fairly new to the organic side of things, but from what i understand a truly organic tea cant ever burn your plants. Your not actually adding any kind of nutrient, but microbes to break down the organic matter in your soil. so there is nothing to burn your plants with. please someone correct me if i'm wrong.

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NOOO, this isn't correct, an organic tea can absolutely burn the bejesus out of your plants if done incorrectly.
Blood meal, cow manure, horse manure, all of those used in teas can burn your plants, not to mention if the ratios are too strong.
More importantly, too much un-dissolved solids can create issues within your soil as well.
organics are more forgiving, but you can still screw up with it

greasemonkeymann said:

Blood meal, cow manure, horse manure, all of those used in teas can burn your plants, not to mention if the ratios are too strong.

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He's talking compost teas brother. I've done a fair bit of searching and cant find evidence that compost teas can burn. i've seen people talk about it, but no one ever seems to have a picture just a story about a guy they knew once... If you can back it up let me know. I'm always eager to learn.

FresnoFarmer said:

More microbes might mean more nutrients being readily available to the plant quicker which may mean nutrient burn. If your soil is already hot I wouldn't fuck with anything unless you see a deficiency in some way.

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this is probably sage advice. But @FresnoFarmer have you seen this happen? as stated above i looked into this specifically and i cant find any actual plants going through burn from a tea.

@Cannabidude naw, I haven't. I would think it totally possibly though. I think the nute burn would be negligible.

Cannabidude said:

He's talking compost teas brother. I've done a fair bit of searching and cant find evidence that compost teas can burn. i've seen people talk about it, but no one ever seems to have a picture just a story about a guy they knew once... If you can back it up let me know. I'm always eager to learn.


this is probably sage advice. But @FresnoFarmer have you seen this happen? as stated above i looked into this specifically and i cant find any actual plants going through burn from a tea.

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I gotcha, you're talking microbe teas then? I see. I thought he meant as a blanket statement that organics can't burn your plants in teas.

The OP may have meant something different, but he did specifically say compost tea and I took him at his word. @H.M. Murdoch can you clarify for us?

Cannabidude said:

The OP may have meant something different, but he did specifically say compost tea and I took him at his word. @H.M. Murdoch can you clarify for us?

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Yes, my original post pertained to compost-based teas. Please understand, I'm a raw rookie when it comes to teas. I thought all teas were compost-based. But someone pointed out that there are other kinds of teas as well. The kind that just adds and/or feeds living microbes.

From the posts here (thank you all), I've concluded that my hot soil mix is probably nutrient-rich enough for an entire grow with just plain un-ph'ed tap water. However, I'll keep trying to determine if microbe teas might be beneficial to my soil.

Again, thank you all. And keep replying if you want to share any more tea advice/knowledge. And know that I appreciate it.

Compost tea information: microbeorganics.com.

Tim knows what he is doing. I don't know of anyone else I would more highly regard for tea information. I have never seen a true compost tea burn plants. The burn usually happens when people add things like blood and bone meal which have soluble nutrients in them. This is exactly why synthetics burn. Nutes are taken in with water, and the plant has no choice.

At least that's my take on it
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Pattahabi said:

Compost tea information: microbeorganics.com.

Tim knows what he is doing. I don't know of anyone else I would more highly regard for tea information. I have never seen a true compost tea burn plants. The burn usually happens when people add things like blood and bone meal which have soluble nutrients in them. This is exactly why synthetics burn. Nutes are taken in with water, and the plant has no choice.

At least that's my take on it
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that was my point, as well. Blood meal in specific is a HOT nutrient, I think it's like 15-0-0 or something near that, and pretty much ALL of it is water soluble, which means you're kinda forcefeeding the plant. I see what he means now. Compost tea is some great stuff, especially worm-bin tea, I love my worms....