HHP's 10K HPA Build Thread!

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indrhrvest

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tree farmer said:
the fine kinky roots above arent what id be looking for from the start in healthy HP setup. ( i mean no disrespect to whoever they are it seems everyones look like that) i think to fine a mist does that but thats just a guess.
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If you asked Atomizer, he'd say we're using too wet a mist..

Nozzles on the bottom pointing up are the way to go. You run the feed times long and off times short until you get the tap root down to the bottom, just like you stated. Then you shorten the feed times and lengthen the off times and you get a nice root formation. We can grow lettuce to over 150 grams in just 25-28 days from seed.










Our current grow.. about two weeks in here.



 
Jimmy Luffnan

Jimmy Luffnan

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I feel a little like I'm putting my hands in a meat grinder here, but we need to simmer down some of the tension I think ^^

For those of us who know Atomizer (sorry to speak on your behalf), he always means well in offering advice from his experience.
Although he may come across as a 'AA snob' =P, it just means that he is at the very technical end of this field/method of growing, therefore he is very precise and fastidious about the 'grail' of root development.
When he sees somebody trying to push into HPA or AA, he offers advice to maximize the benefits of this method as opposed to LPA at the other end of the spectrum...

Indrhrvest, Im sorry if you feel like every time you post something you feel corrected, I just think that you are offering this fantastic commercial opportunity for HPA growers and Atomizer (and Tree farmer) are simply trying to offer their experience to help you offer the very best you can.

As Bruce Lee said "take what works and reject what doesnt"

There are not too may HPA/AA growers on the planet that would share their experience, so good advice is good advice no matter who's mouth it comes from ;)

Sorry again for butting in, I just hate seeing conflict or negativity in a place of wisdom and creativity...

Cheers Jimmy.
 
hammer21

hammer21

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Don't get me wrong high pressure will work great for a sog set up not letting your plants grow more than 12-14 inches tall max. Anything taller no way. If a person is to use aa nozzles they blast a lot of mist saturating the roots not getting the true micro size mist to the roots creating soak aponics and still the mist will not reach center of the root ball. Not a hater just stating the facts.
 
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tree farmer

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hammer21 said:
Don't get me wrong high pressure will work great for a sog set up not letting your plants grow more than 12-14 inches tall max. Anything taller no way. If a person is to use aa nozzles they blast a lot of mist saturating the roots not getting the true micro size mist to the roots creating soak aponics and still the mist will not reach center of the root ball. Not a hater just stating the facts.
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heres some 12 inch ones and the HP setup they grew inIMG_2066.jpg
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by the way im at no odds with Atomizer. he has forgotten more than i will ever know on the tech side of this game and has helped me more times than i can even remember figure something out that i didnt know. i think Jimmys right, know one has to be upset with anyone. take what you want and disregard what you dont think will work. i always say my advise is free so dont be upset you didnt pay for it. to the guy growing the lettuce i cant comment on something ive never done. im sure a lettuce root structure will look somewhat different than what people come here to learn about but i can say ive seen similar results in fine mist mj setups. in my opinion and experience if you have browning then either you have drying spots from uneven coverage or to long pause or you are overwatering. when i stated to overwater at the beginning i didnt mean to the point of browning. they should always be white. only time i had brown roots was before i learned the proper pause times and then at the end of a run with huge trees that just ran out of room in their containers. im retired now from all this but its still interesting to watch whats going on. im always hoping someone gets it right or comes up with some new idea on how to do things. sorry for the pics just thought maybe the guy saying 12 inches is all the bigger you can go might change his mind but more than likely he'll just assume thier fake. oh well remember the says about horses and water.
 
hammer21

hammer21

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Tree farmer what size net pots did you use? maybe this is the missing link I missed. And did you use drippers until the roots exited the net pot? Dam you tree farmer I can see trying this again lol.
 
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Atomizer

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hammer21 said:
If a person is to use aa nozzles they blast a lot of mist saturating the roots not getting the true micro size mist to the roots creating soak aponics and still the mist will not reach center of the root ball. Not a hater just stating the facts.
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Not sure where your facts come from but AA nozzles dont saturate the roots. The truth is you have to use fairly short timing cycles to keep them reasonably damp.
The mist cloud in post #89 of the thread consists of 0.7ml of water, a litre of compressed air and a 100L plastic trashcan. Measure out 0.7ml of water and see if you can soak something with it :)
 
hammer21

hammer21

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Atomizer AA nozzles are just not worth the expense to me. I'm thinking the key to success is large net pots this would get rid of the dead zone in the center. Question for you atomizer have you ever grown anything reason I ask is never seen any pics of a plant just mist in a box?
 
Jimmy Luffnan

Jimmy Luffnan

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hammer21 said:
Atomizer AA nozzles are just not worth the expense to me. I'm thinking the key to success is large net pots this would get rid of the dead zone in the center. Question for you atomizer have you ever grown anything reason I ask is never seen any pics of a plant just mist in a box?
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They say a picture is worth a thousand words, but with Atomizer, Id rather hear a thousand technical words over a picture ;) (and a picture can sometimes result in a thousand questions :P)
Atomizer has a few pictures spread around here and there, enough of what Ive seen validates his understanding ;)

Most people dont post because they talk out their ass ( good ol' fatman) but others are just reluctant due to the nature of the site...
But he may indulge you're request... =D

Cheers Jimmy.
 
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jamesvagabond

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It's great to see you back on the forum TF! Those are some beautiful root chambers, did you make those?

tree farmer said:
heres some 12 inch ones and the HP setup they grew inView attachment 2760076
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by the way im at no odds with Atomizer. he has forgotten more than i will ever know on the tech side of this game and has helped me more times than i can even remember figure something out that i didnt know. i think Jimmys right, know one has to be upset with anyone. take what you want and disregard what you dont think will work. i always say my advise is free so dont be upset you didnt pay for it. to the guy growing the lettuce i cant comment on something ive never done. im sure a lettuce root structure will look somewhat different than what people come here to learn about but i can say ive seen similar results in fine mist mj setups. in my opinion and experience if you have browning then either you have drying spots from uneven coverage or to long pause or you are overwatering. when i stated to overwater at the beginning i didnt mean to the point of browning. they should always be white. only time i had brown roots was before i learned the proper pause times and then at the end of a run with huge trees that just ran out of room in their containers. im retired now from all this but its still interesting to watch whats going on. im always hoping someone gets it right or comes up with some new idea on how to do things. sorry for the pics just thought maybe the guy saying 12 inches is all the bigger you can go might change his mind but more than likely he'll just assume thier fake. oh well remember the says about horses and water.
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Atomizer

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hammer21 said:
Atomizer AA nozzles are just not worth the expense to me. I'm thinking the key to success is large net pots this would get rid of the dead zone in the center. Question for you atomizer have you ever grown anything reason I ask is never seen any pics of a plant just mist in a box?
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Some people collect stamps, i collect boxes full of expensive mist and 25kg sacks of agricultural chemicals just for the hell of it ;)
 
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oxanaca

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hammer21 said:
Atomizer AA nozzles are just not worth the expense to me. I'm thinking the key to success is large net pots this would get rid of the dead zone in the center. Question for you atomizer have you ever grown anything reason I ask is never seen any pics of a plant just mist in a box?
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AA nozzles arent really that expensive. im in the process of buying some bete flat fan nozzles. they cost $47 a piece and cover a lot of chamber each.
 
Mike Young

Mike Young

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Jimmy Luffnan said:
They say a picture is worth a thousand words, but with Atomizer, Id rather hear a thousand technical words over a picture ;) (and a picture can sometimes result in a thousand questions :P)
Atomizer has a few pictures spread around here and there, enough of what Ive seen validates his understanding ;)

Most people dont post because they talk out their ass ( good ol' fatman) but others are just reluctant due to the nature of the site...
But he may indulge you're request... =D

Cheers Jimmy.
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Fatman was actually pretty smart. He wasn't the most cordial of people, but he was no idiot. He had a low tolerance for stupid, which I appreciate.
 
Jimmy Luffnan

Jimmy Luffnan

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Mike Young said:
Fatman was actually pretty smart. He wasn't the most cordial of people, but he was no idiot. He had a low tolerance for stupid, which I appreciate.
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Sorry to go off topic, but I would disagree. He was no dummy, but he was a 'cut & paste keyboard warrior' who simply regurgitated other peoples work and findings...
His condescension was a poor attempt to belittle others and make them feel highly uneducated in this field in an attempt to protect himself from probing questions from the more advanced TAG growers...
His rudeness was simply an intimidation tactic, not lack of tolerance for stupidity.
Many people saw through this guise... ;)

Cheers Jimmy.
p.s. You need to get another grow happening Mike, I like your stuff ;)
p.s.s Indrhrvest, sorry for the off topic... got any more cool R&D to share...? :)
 
hammer21

hammer21

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...I'm with you atomizer.... I like to experiment with different things I also have boxes of parts and pieces and still playing with aero low pressure right now. Recirculating,drain to waste using 32 3 way solenoids a solenoid per spray head that has been working well for me. But looks like I will be revisiting high pressure in the near future thanks to tree farmer and his net pots. Keep up the good fight brother....... We all really jacked hard hats thread think we scared him off lol... If we were all the same nothing would be different....
 
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indrhrvest

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Jimmy Luffnan said:
p.s.s Indrhrvest, sorry for the off topic... got any more cool R&D to share...? :)
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We've started R&D with Stevia. It's looking like we will be fortunate to be working with one the top Stevia breeders in the U.S.. Unfortantely this round of R&D like some of our previous rounds won't be shared publicly much.
 
Jimmy Luffnan

Jimmy Luffnan

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indrhrvest said:
We've started R&D with Stevia. It's looking like we will be fortunate to be working with one the top Stevia breeders in the U.S.. Unfortantely this round of R&D like some of our previous rounds won't be shared publicly much.
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Fair enough ;)
We enjoy seeing what you are at liberty to share with us, other stuff we will just have to be patient :P
Cheers Jimmy.
 
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