Hermies, most have no idea!!!

Kingrow1 said:

One theory goes that...

'The hermie trait is independant of sexual genetics and thus relies on a seperate protein hard wired into every plant and impossible to breed out.'

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MichiganMedGrower said:

This is how I thought it was.

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Kingrow1 said:

One theory goes that...

'The hermie trait is independant of sexual genetics and thus relies on a seperate protein hard wired into every plant and impossible to breed out.'

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Odin* said:

The "theory" is based on my inadvertent "discovery" that led to the "expirements", which confirms that my method of identifying "hermies" in veg is accurate, reliable, and repeatable.

The "theory" is irrelevant here. Regardless of whether or not my "theory" is correct, the method for "exposing" plants that will produce nuts and/or "banana fingers" within the bud has proven to produce the same results on the known "hermies" time, and time again (3 test runs so far).

I've got a decent number of packs to pop, more on the way. If this proves true beyond La Plata, Karma, and Krockett, I'll share with those I "know" (who ask) via PM.

I'll also drop this here now to aid in validity (when I verify further and share via PM); I have posted a vague reference to this prior (with pic). That post/pic will be referenced in the PM. It's worthless without method (unless one has inadvertently done the same and recognizes it).

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Dr. Who said:

Came to believe this theory.....Like an amino acid activating a "recessed trait".....
At least that's how I envision it....



This intensely interesting!

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Kingrow1 said:

Yes somthing like that, i hate to go much futher with it and it has a cretain simplicity that explains the randomness we see as well as the inability to breed or change it.

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Odin* said:

Forgot that Ken's Kush was included in "Round 1" tests. Both threw late term bananas, both "Failed" testing. These were freebies, 2 of 3 were female, both gave it away in veg. So, add that to the list, 5 of 5.

Not sure that it provides "answers" (@Dr. Who ), but it is certainly valuable to large ops that want to "experiment" with beans sans incidental pollination.

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Dr. Who said:

I was looking into the "recessed" trait thing and the role of Amino's in expression of.
On google scholar, You get a shit ton of papers about "mutation's." They are pretty good for what I was looking to study up on. They call that expression of those recessed traits as "mutations."

Being that we basically know that all cannabis can "herm." I don't "see" that as a "mutation." Yet I believe your quite correct to point to proteins/amino's being produced by the plant, in amounts/types (not determined?) that will, as you say, through stress (multiple types at once any given time in bloom) cause this inherent ability to surface.

Now Odin comes in with some real interesting observations that may hold some clues to answers on several levels!

I did join the PM ring on that...

Very interesting thread King!

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Budley Doright said:

Does this apply to applied amino acids or naturally occurring?

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Dr. Who said:

Now your asking things better answered by your own research.

Many factors in the natural world. Result in changes to physical properties in living things....They can be so much. At this time, most of these effects of change are referred to as "mutations". The bulk of what I have been reading, generally have that term in the title.

At this time, we, as people, are simply scratching the surface of "how and what" makes these things happen... I feel that this is one of the next big frontier's of bio genetic science.....Like mapping the human genome. It's going to take time.

Learning to grow a plant as close to it's "potential" is in our hands now. Kinda simple really. That, will be the best we can do with our plant, for quite sometime yet.

"Why" is one of my favorite questions...that's what makes us look for answers...

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Dr. Who said:

Now your asking things better answered by your own research.

Many factors in the natural world. Result in changes to physical properties in living things....They can be so much. At this time, most of these effects of change are referred to as "mutations". The bulk of what I have been reading, generally have that term in the title.

At this time, we, as people, are simply scratching the surface of "how and what" makes these things happen... I feel that this is one of the next big frontier's of bio genetic science.....Like mapping the human genome. It's going to take time.

Learning to grow a plant as close to it's "potential" is in our hands now. Kinda simple really. That, will be the best we can do with our plant, for quite sometime yet.

"Why" is one of my favorite questions...that's what makes us look for answers...

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goofy81 said:

All the seeded crops i have completed in the past turned out to give really good highs. One crop i had full of seeds, but after a sample some dude really wanted it !

I once read a post from a 40 year old smoker that the seeded buds gave a euphoric high and that being pollinated, caused the plant to complete some chemical processes which made the high different. A few people concurred, it might have been on ICMAG, can't remember.
On a totally separate incident, i was talking to some 50 year old SE asian dude about weed. He told me back in the days in his country they would find the ones with seeds and when they smoked it, it would feel like they're floating on clouds!

Are there any truths to seeded/pollinated bud being a better high??

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Odin* said:

"Weak genetics" (not that the "lineage" is weak, but that the particular plant fell into the "shallow" end of the gene pool), "hermaphrodite", call it what you want, but I did inadvertently stumble upon a way to identify vegging females that will grow nuts and/or spit 'nanner fingers in bloom. It first came to me when I witnessed the phenomenon in La Plata's "Durango OG" (DGOG). I tested my "theory" again on clones taken from the remaining DGOG's, again only expressed in the known "banana tosser" (kept clones of it for this very reason). Later tested on all vegging clones from strains where 1 of them grew nuts and/or spat fingers. Again, only the "banana tosser" from those respective strains exhibited this "unusual" trait in veg (1 "Sour Sunset" from Krockett and 1 "Sour Power" from Karma"). It's a very pronounce tell, can't be missed, or confused. Every strain in that "garden" (~30) was subjected to the "tests" at the same time. That includes 10 different phenos/crosses of Animal Cookies, all of my "clone only" (including "Mystery", she's a finicky gal, real picky, but she passed the test), and TSD 2.0 from TopDawg.

It isn't expressed through exposure to stress, per se, more of an "optical illusion".

Anyhow, the fact that I can definitively identify vegging plants that will go on to throw bananas in bloom tells me that this is genetic.

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Budley Doright said:

I was just asking re the talk of amino's being possibly responsible for the more likely to throw female pollen. My research, if I was to be as bold as to call it that lol. Would say the addition has no bearing but stresses do play a part. Four different runs indoor with the addition of amino acid and no change, no seeds, once outdoors, still with the addition of amino acid and seeds (not many). The plants had many stress's but who knows.

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Budley Doright said:

I was just asking re the talk of amino's being possibly responsible for the more likely to throw female pollen. My research, if I was to be as bold as to call it that lol. Would say the addition has no bearing but stresses do play a part. Four different runs indoor with the addition of amino acid and no change, no seeds, once outdoors, still with the addition of amino acid and seeds (not many). The plants had many stress's but who knows.

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