Hello All ... just a couple questions

Thank you in advance guys.

I was curious as to what type of simple organic soil mixes you all are using with good success. Ive heard some great things about mixing happy frog with ocean forrest and a couple other things roots(?) I believe. In other words simple mixes that take the plants through flower OR only require a small dose of organic flowering nutes to finish.

I'd cook up a batch but dont have the time or space for it. Any suggestions on a great, quick and simple organic mix would be much appreciated. Dont be shy share whatever ideas youre currently using or have used in the past that dont require all the mixing, cooking, layering of soils etc.

Ive also heard earth juice amazon bloom is a wonderful soil choice. Was hoping for something a bit more affordable. Anywho sincerely appreciate any and all input you may have!

Bo'

blessed with many systems in my rafters, racks of nutrients,
and I come full circle to 100% success with ease.
promix+Organicare+ water when dry... less than 1.50 dollars for nutrients for the life of the plant.

ahhhh you too chem? lol

Ive owned so many systems, bottles of nutrients, additives etc. over the years it would make your head spin. Was certainly sucked into the hydro store hype at one point. Thank god my head cleared of all that.

That mix sounds about as affordable and simple as it gets! Have a bale of promix hp just sitting around as we speak. Appreciate the input my friend.

Anyone else have a decent and quick organic solution? Unfortunately I have no time or space for cooking up soil.

Im trying to remember the soil mix that covers all the bases. Something to the tune of Original fox farm soil x ffof x happy frog(?) and possibly another soil thrown in there somewhere not sure.

Anyone tried the amazon bloom from earth juice? Maybe a decent soil recipe with that as a base?

Appreciate the input!

Cheesy Bo' Greesy said:

Anyone else have a decent and quick organic solution? Unfortunately I have no time or space for cooking up soil.

Im trying to remember the soil mix that covers all the bases. Something to the tune of Original fox farm soil x ffof x happy frog(?) and possibly another soil thrown in there somewhere not sure.

Anyone tried the amazon bloom from earth juice? Maybe a decent soil recipe with that as a base?

Appreciate the input!

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Roots B2 with Down To Earth Bio Live and All Purpose each reduced to half of the recommended amount for the volume of soil you're using since you're using two mixes.

The B2 only has rock dust and ewc for nutrients so you can mix it fairly strong. The Bio Live has both microbial and mycological inoculants and using it with the All Purpose levels out the N levels and adds a couple of things the Bio Live doesn't have.

I've ran this combo and the Bio Live alone in 7 and 15 gallon pots with 4-6 week veg periods and didn't have to feed once. It also produced good yields and quality.

I forgot to mention that this was mixed and immediately planted in. It does have to be mixed but there's no "cooking" time.

SchmoeJoe said:

Roots B2 with Down To Earth Bio Live and All Purpose each reduced to half of the recommended amount for the volume of soil you're using since you're using two mixes.

The B2 only has rock dust and ewc for nutrients so you can mix it fairly strong. The Bio Live has both microbial and mycological inoculants and using it with the All Purpose levels out the N levels and adds a couple of things the Bio Live doesn't have.

I've ran this combo and the Bio Live alone in 7 and 15 gallon pots with 4-6 week veg periods and didn't have to feed once. It also produced good yields and quality.

I forgot to mention that this was mixed and immediately planted in. It does have to be mixed but there's no "cooking" time.

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So youre saying about 1-2 tablespoons EACH per gallon of soil correct Joe?

I cant remember what down to earth all purpose is something to the degree of 2 or 3 tbls per gallon. Will have to check on that.

You found No burning or any issues whatsoever with young plants or clones in that mix Joe?

Appreciate the input.

Cheesy Bo' Greesy said:

So youre saying about 1-2 tablespoons EACH per gallon of soil correct Joe?

I cant remember what down to earth all purpose is something to the degree of 2 or 3 tbls per gallon. Will have to check on that.

You found No burning or any issues whatsoever with young plants or clones in that mix Joe?

Appreciate the input.

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I did four sets. Just a little over the recommended amount, exactly the recomended amount, 3/4's and 1/2. I believe the 3/4 was the only ratio that didn't burn anything.

SchmoeJoe said:

I did four sets. Just a little over the recommended amount, exactly the recomended amount, 3/4's and 1/2. I believe the 3/4 was the only ratio that didn't burn anything.

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You have enough mycos, minerals, worm castings etc. in the roots soil and then the added microbes etc. from the DTE bio-live ... I can see why this mix would start producing relatively quickly.

The roots is basically ready to roll so I can also see how that would keep things going in the very beginning until further break down occurs.

Basically your soil is cooking while youre growing.

By 3-4 weeks in a good portion of the nutrients is available meanwhile thanks to the roots youve been growing the entire time. I like it! At least thats how it looks on paper.

No teas?

Cheesy Bo' Greesy said:

You have enough mycos, minerals, worm castings etc. in the roots soil and then the added microbes etc. from the DTE bio-live ... I can see why this mix would start producing relatively quickly.

The roots is basically ready to roll so I can also see how that would keep things going in the very beginning until further break down occurs.

Basically your soil is cooking while youre growing.

By 3-4 weeks in a good portion of the nutrients is available meanwhile thanks to the roots youve been growing the entire time. I like it! At least thats how it looks on paper.

No teas?

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I'm a big fan of teas as well but it wasn't at all necessary. I did one full cycle with sets of plants of multiple strains in each mix ratio without any liquids to do a proper controlled experiment.

The Roots B2 is mostly just texture and ph buffers. It doesn't even have the myco inoculants. That makes it perfect. You can use it for a starter mix as is and then mix it however you want for other things.

SchmoeJoe said:

I'm a big fan of teas as well but it wasn't at all necessary. I did one full cycle with sets of plants of multiple strains in each mix ratio without any liquids to do a proper controlled experiment.

The Roots B2 is mostly just texture and ph buffers. It doesn't even have the myco inoculants. That makes it perfect. You can use it for a starter mix as is and then mix it however you want for other things.

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You said theres worm castings in the roots soil. So it does have ferts and micro life to get things rolling in the beginning.

I'm quoting this:
Worm castings have beneficial bacteria and fungi to build up soil, and assist with disease suppression. Earthworm castings have over 60 micronutrients and trace minerals, including calcium, magnesium, nitrogen, phosphates and potash.

Meanwhile the microbes are breaking down the (down to earth) ferts youve added. So this is a quick viable mix.

Adding some teas or just watering with some garden mollases would kick it up a notch. I asked for quick/easy and you gave it to me.

Thanks Joe!

Cheesy Bo' Greesy said:

You said theres worm castings in the roots soil. So it does have ferts and micro life to get things rolling in the beginning.

I'm quoting this:
Worm castings have beneficial bacteria and fungi to build up soil, and assist with disease suppression. Earthworm castings have over 60 micronutrients and trace minerals, including calcium, magnesium, nitrogen, phosphates and potash.

Meanwhile the microbes are breaking down the (down to earth) ferts youve added. So this is a quick viable mix.

Adding some teas or just watering with some garden mollases would kick it up a notch. I asked for quick/easy and you gave it to me.

Thanks Joe!

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You're right that ewc are a good source of soil microbial life. I just don't consider a part of the equation because there's a good chance that if it's not very fresh then there's a good chance that whatever was there is past being viable.

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You're right that ewc are a good source of soil microbial life. I just don't consider a part of the equation because there's a

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Thats probably true. Guess it all depends on how fresh the castings used are and then how fresh your bag of roots is.

Just curious what made you leave this mix behind?

Cheesy Bo' Greesy said:

Thats probably true. Guess it all depends on how fresh the castings used are and then how fresh your bag of roots is.

Just curious what made you leave this mix behind?

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I still use it in a lighter ratio for pretty much a everything so that can use a few other liquid supplements.

chemphlegm said:

blessed with many systems in my rafters, racks of nutrients,
and I come full circle to 100% success with ease.
promix+Organicare+ water when dry... less than 1.50 dollars for nutrients for the life of the plant.

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Chem I was curious about how many tablespoons of organicare that you use per gallon of soil. Whats your approach? Do you add extra lime or oyster shell to the promix? No deficiences or nute burn with this method?

Honestly if you just get some decent organic garden soil and add aeration and worm castings to a bigass pot you should get through most of bloom phase with water only. Fresh EWC is much better than bagged. Having a worm bin really ups your game. Many times EWC is all I add. No cook time or waiting required.
I like to use jobes organic spikes too. You just push in one or 2 in each of your container and they feed plants for 8 weeks. Again no cooking is required until you want to amend/recycle the soil for another round.
Another thing I use in my grow is liquid fish fertilizer. Neptunes Harvest helps keep them a lush green but I tend to give it only in early bloom or mid to late veg phase. Great stuff the plants love it and it's good either by itself or brewed in a tea.

Richard Drysift said:

Honestly if you just get some decent organic garden soil and add aeration and worm castings to a bigass pot you should get through most of bloom phase with water only. Fresh EWC is much better than bagged. Having a worm bin really ups your game. Many times EWC is all I add. No cook time or waiting required.
I like to use jobes organic spikes too. You just push in one or 2 in each of your container and they feed plants for 8 weeks. Again no cooking is required until you want to amend/recycle the soil for another round.
Another thing I use in my grow is liquid fish fertilizer. Neptunes Harvest helps keep them a lush green but I tend to give it only in early bloom or mid to late veg phase. Great stuff the plants love it and it's good either by itself or brewed in a tea.

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I'm digging these KISS organic methods you guys are throwing out there. Maybe we can turn this into a KISS organic thread?

No disrespect intended toward the guys putting in all the hard work for prime organic grows unfortunately some of us simply dont have the time or storage space for it all.

Im a big fan of earth juice products. OMRI listed the works. Im thinking in the future a nice amazon bloom soil grow with earth juice ferts might be in order. Just to see what happens. Anyone on the boards tried this yet?

Richard are those jobe organic spikes 100% organic? Where do you get your worm castings online or local? I appreciate the input! your method is definitely KISS as well. Do you use any teas/molasses with that configuration?

Richard Drysift said:

Honestly if you just get some decent organic garden soil and add aeration and worm castings to a bigass pot you should get through most of bloom phase with water only. Fresh EWC is much better than bagged. Having a worm bin really ups your game. Many times EWC is all I add. No cook time or waiting required.
I like to use jobes organic spikes too. You just push in one or 2 in each of your container and they feed plants for 8 weeks. Again no cooking is required until you want to amend/recycle the soil for another round.
Another thing I use in my grow is liquid fish fertilizer. Neptunes Harvest helps keep them a lush green but I tend to give it only in early bloom or mid to late veg phase. Great stuff the plants love it and it's good either by itself or brewed in a tea.

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The fresher the better on the ewc for sure. I actually live I'm the same town that Roots Organics and Down To Earth are in and even with their high product turnover on the local store shelves I just assume that their effectiveness as inoculants is at best questionable. If I had the space I'd definitely be doing my own.

Also, I'm a huge fan of adding extra organic matter/humus like ewc and aeration/texture improvers.

Cheesy Bo' Greesy said:

I'm digging these KISS organic methods you guys are throwing out there. Maybe we can turn this into a KISS organic thread?

No disrespect intended toward the guys putting in all the hard work for prime organic grows unfortunately some of us simply dont have the time or storage space for it all.

Im a big fan of earth juice products. OMRI listed the works. Im thinking in the future a nice amazon bloom soil grow with earth juice ferts might be in order. Just to see what happens. Anyone on the boards tried this yet?

Richard are those jobe organic spikes 100% organic? Where do you get your worm castings online or local? I appreciate the input! your method is definitely KISS as well. Do you use any teas/molasses with that configuration?

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Yeah the spikes are OMRI organic and made of mostly blood meal. I recycle and amend all my soil so cooking is required when you add dry amendments but adding in compost requires no cook time as it's already decomposed.
I have a worm bin and brew up my own teas but since I add fresh castings regularly AACTs are not needed as much as they were when I started out. My worm factory 360 only takes up a 24"x24"x 36" area of my basement. It's so easy to maintain too. Every organic grower should have one. Check out my thread called dick does dank if ya wanna see how I do it.

Richard Drysift said:

Yeah the spikes are OMRI organic and made of mostly blood meal. I recycle and amend all my soil so cooking is required when you add dry amendments but adding in compost requires no cook time as it's already decomposed.
I have a worm bin and brew up my own teas but since I add fresh castings regularly AACTs are not needed as much as they were when I started out. My worm factory 360 only takes up a 24"x24"x 36" area of my basement. It's so easy to maintain too. Every organic grower should have one. Check out my thread called dick does dank if ya wanna see how I do it.

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Im going to check into that worm bin ... not very big at all. Also going to check out your thread. Appreciate the input!

Cheesy Bo' Greesy said:

the time or storage space for it all.

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I have my worm bin sat in my kitchen.

Uses 30x50cm space and no, no smells, and no one leaves the bin, even though I have a bunch of crawly guys like rolypolys and millipedes in there too (actually that surprised me a bit, I was bracing myself for them to swarm out into MY space - and I insist on not sharing that haha - when they first appeared in there!).
So actually, vermicomposting is something for anyone anywhere, in theory. I am aware however that there are people who are so grossed out by the worms they wouldn't even get close to the bin haha
Cheers!