Heavy 16 users!

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
Well i jumped head first into h16, took a cap ebb and grow system and converted it to a drain to waste system.
still using the buckets and the lines plus the control box, but im only using the drain side to pump waste to the drain.
the fill side runs to a series of halo rings! Each bucket has a #2 smart pot in it... Setup looks killer and im using full
line of heavy 16

just got it going so not much to show yet lol
 

duudical

Well-Known Member
I currently use the following in veg:

H&G Aqua Flakes A+B, H&G Roots Excelurator, H&G Magic Green, H&G Drip Clean, H16 Prime, H16 Foliar (I alternate between this and Magic green twice per week, huge results, great way to deliver calmag via H16 foliar or if your plants are stressed or experiencing some deficiencies/lockout issues - hit them with this during the flush and they will perk right up), H16 Finish, Orca, Growtastic EPG, H&G Algen Extract, H&G Multi Zen (enzyme, Z7 water conditioner (if you use tap water, get this stuff, slime and pH issues gone, swear by it)

In bloom I am using:

H16 Bud A+B
H16 Prime
H16 Finish
H&G Drip Clean
Dutch Master Potash+ (P/K booster)
Z7 water conditioner

After using H16, I plan on replacing the DM with Fire and possibly the H&G RE with H16 Roots...but haven't really seen anything out there in the way of good comparisons or shootouts. I recently added RE to the mix (maybe the last month or so) and can't say that I have seen drastic results, but I think it did make a positive difference. The Orca made the most noticeable difference for me as far as root development (however this was one of the first things I added to address some issues I was having so there was a larger contrast compared to adding things now that make a difference, just not as surprisingly noticeable, but I am pretty stoked to see how the Prime helps things out...just added that. I have also heard that adding Fire in smaller dosages in veg can help the root zone development as well. A guy at one of my local grow shops swears by it, he uses it throughout the whole lifecyle of the plant.

The stuff is kind of expensive, but honestly, it doesn't seem all that much more when you look at the rest of the stuff on the shelves. It all looks expensive to me LOL! I have had zero nutrient lockout issues and know of many people who use H16 religiously and haven't had those issue either. I think the price complaints are more around their additives (which, like H&G are expensive), however they are so concentrated that buying 250 or 500ml bottles is totally doable when you consider using 0.5-1ml per gallon in most cases.

Here is what I typically see on these threads.
"I used that, I had issues, that stuff sucks". You just might have had issues due to potentially a million other things. I seriously doubt that any major brand out there has the serious issues that I see people label them with - "causes lockout", etc. If they did have this, no one would buy it after a certain amount of time - and yet they are all doing just fine and you can do a simple search and find people who are devoted to those nutrient lines growing amazing, healthy, and beautifully yielding plants.

I have personally found that Canna, H&G and H16 are the most stable and cleanest nutrients in MY experience, using my particular water (tap), and growing in MY environment. pH was all over the place before, but these three have all shown to stabilize and maintain a good pH without any major issues. They also are very, very clean and easy to run through various grow techniques and methods. They seem to be pretty flexible.

I am sticking with my H&G + H16 regimen for now to let a few grows finish out for some data. But as of right now, I am super happy with the results.
 
Just wondering how many of us are out there. I love this stuff been using it for a year now. I did change and use different additives then what they say but I found what works for me. I've tried so many different nute lines over the years. This is the only one I will stick with now. And also wondering if anyone has had a bad thing to say about it?
Hello all,
I have been running Heavy for two years now and have been asking and researching for the same answer we have all asked. "What should I use and why"? I suppose the answer i have found most often is, "experiment and use what works for you". I started with House and Garden and then after dialing in my room i tried a few different complete lines, as i suppose the only way to really figure out what works is to use it in its entirety. What i found is with Heavy i can build consistent results, i know what the they are going to do to my res and what affects this will have on my plants.
I have found that my ph will climb steadily in Veg and oddly enough down in bud. They are expensive but the compliment is very simple to use and overall i find the good nuiet companies are all comparable in cost.

I have also found that many growers that use soil are using the FIRE as a component to their process because of the results over other products in the market. I suppose anyone with time and patience can mix and match different products to determine what works best but i have found better results with more consistent harvests with stronger healthier plants using Heavy 16.

DISCLAIMER (I grow with an ebb and flow bucket system using a 50 gal res and 4 (600watt) lights and i do substitute Rapidstart for ROOTS and Hydrozime for FINNISH. I do prefer to use FINISH but sacrifice when we must.)
 

dank_la

New Member
running the about 75% of the line and the results are showing. ph seems to stay steady if you mix the nutrients the right way. my friend said he's gonna switch to heavy just by seeing my progress...
 

stonestare

Active Member
Running Heavy 16 for over a year now. I use the entire line. Some say it is pricey, well dont buy your nutes by the Liter. Yes you got to dig in and buy a 10L or a 25L base to get the savings. I do also use Orca and Canna zyme with the Heavy. This is all I use no more. Yes your going pony a grand up front and it is going to last a long time. If you sit and break the cost down to the mill of nute to the gallon of water it is not that bad. This is where alot of growers do screw the pooch, hey this is 5$ cheaper I am going go with this. Figure your costs out.

All I can say with my experiance is that I do not use Cal mag now at all, its already in the base. I have better flowers than had with any other brand. Size, density, trichomes, terpines all of it is best with Heavy16. If you look around for the large operations guess what they use for a nute in coir? Heavy 16. They test and test to gain an edge and all of them I know of use heavy 16. If you mix pother products with it your not going to get the results you should. Use the veg A&B, Bloom A&B, Fire,Finish and Prime for sure. The roots, and folair is not mandatory but they do work excellant. If in C02 I would for sure use the folair because it helps the plants deal with stress that the C02 can put a plant through.
 

GrowerGoneWild

Well-Known Member
I tried heavy 16 foliar and it burned my plants.. I should have gone with 1/2 strength. So mebby my bad.

I tried to contact H16 about my problems, see what they thought and I've never got a response..
 

thump easy

Well-Known Member
I use it on outdoor because it was a discontinued brand got it pennies on the dollar but not good in aroefloe
 

Thecouchlock

Well-Known Member
I didn't enjoy my experience with it. While it works, I don't think that it is the best nor do I think it is a cure all lineup.

I would rather stick to the Lucas Formula or Jacks Classic. That stuff actually keeps your leaves nice and healthy without burn and plants don't just randomly get sick and die.

I have never used heavy 16 in my personal only at work and will never use it at home.
 

Thecouchlock

Well-Known Member
Running Heavy 16 for over a year now. I use the entire line. Some say it is pricey, well dont buy your nutes by the Liter. Yes you got to dig in and buy a 10L or a 25L base to get the savings. I do also use Orca and Canna zyme with the Heavy. This is all I use no more. Yes your going pony a grand up front and it is going to last a long time. If you sit and break the cost down to the mill of nute to the gallon of water it is not that bad. This is where alot of growers do screw the pooch, hey this is 5$ cheaper I am going go with this. Figure your costs out.

All I can say with my experiance is that I do not use Cal mag now at all, its already in the base. I have better flowers than had with any other brand. Size, density, trichomes, terpines all of it is best with Heavy16. If you look around for the large operations guess what they use for a nute in coir? Heavy 16. They test and test to gain an edge and all of them I know of use heavy 16. If you mix pother products with it your not going to get the results you should. Use the veg A&B, Bloom A&B, Fire,Finish and Prime for sure. The roots, and folair is not mandatory but they do work excellant. If in C02 I would for sure use the folair because it helps the plants deal with stress that the C02 can put a plant through.
Cost =/= Benefit

It does work, but if it was the most superior batch of nutes there would be more commercial growers using it. That simply isn't the case though as there are many other nutrient lines that provide more of what the plant needs for cheaper. Sorry to shatter your thought of more $ equaling more quality but that is the old world. We live in a world of over hype and false claims.
 

dank_la

New Member
So who would you say is really giving you what you need without all the extra bullshit and high prices??
 

Roa420SoCal

Member
I'm going to start using heavy16 bud-a and b. Maybe will get Fire later on as a lot of people say it work wonders. My plants are from seed, they are about 45 days old and 16 days into flowering, new hydro store opened up in my town and have everything I see online for about 10 to 20 dollars cheaper, so I'll see how it goes.
 

Kygiacomo

Well-Known Member
Cost =/= Benefit

It does work, but if it was the most superior batch of nutes there would be more commercial growers using it. That simply isn't the case though as there are many other nutrient lines that provide more of what the plant needs for cheaper. Sorry to shatter your thought of more $ equaling more quality but that is the old world. We live in a world of over hype and false claims.
sometimes when ppl pay alot for nutes they always tell the same tale about paying for what u get or higher cost of the nute has got to be higher quality..they gotta make them self believe that or otherwise they would feel like they got ripped off lol i bet dyna grow foliage pro & bloom along with bud factor x or insect frass for the chitosan and protekt does just as well or better at a fraction of the cost
 
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