Heard The Old Myth Today...

Was in a compassion club when someone looked over and said...

"Well you can't keep taking clones from clones cause they get weaker and weaker and become less potent."

Smile and nod ... smoke and nod

And it's myth why?

dbkick said:

And it's myth why?

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Because its something spread by people who don't clone.

I've cloned the same strain for 7 years with no change.

so then loss of vigor due to this or that is a myth?

Wait a minute, there is such a term of Genetic slide, read up on it

nl5xsk1 said:

Wait a minute, there is such a term of Genetic slide, read up on it

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I noticed a term genetic degradation too, odd.

'most likely cause reported is cellular / genetic degradation. If you think about this, it seems plausible. The predicted lifespan for the plant is probably less than a year, unless its an equatorial variety. While there may not be a genetically encoded marker to determine when to die or age, it is possible for damage to be accrued over time.
Consider our own aging process. Most of the 'damage' from being old, are not from an aging gene. just from cells that have lost their ability to function properly. and our lifespan is much larger than the plants, so when it starts pushing a few decades, I think it seems reasonable'
Saw this on another forum

nl5xsk1 said:

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Consider our own aging process. Most of the 'damage' from being old, are not from an aging gene. just from cells that have lost their ability to function properly. and our lifespan is much larger than the plants, so when it starts pushing a few decades, I think it seems reasonable'
Saw this on another forum

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my god that one hit home.

20 years same girl. She was "less".. Mostly my fault and legal circumstances

thoumayest said:

Was in a compassion club when someone looked over and said...

"Well you can't keep taking clones from clones cause they get weaker and weaker and become less potent."

Smile and nod ... smoke and nod

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Do you not believe in evolution also?

Take your clones from healthy mothers.

Another misconception put to rest........Or was it ?
I'm a little confused !
Is it is or is it ain't ?

I believe most clones do get weaker over time, but because of the growers, not the strain.

mutation changes genetic code. you get older and still have blue eyes....no matter how old you get.

1. The Hayflick limit [Note 1] (or Hayflick phenomenon) is the number of times a normal human cell population will divide until cell division stops. Empirical evidence shows that the telomeres associated with each cell's DNA will get slightly shorter with each new cell division until they shorten to a critical length.

This is for humans though.

I found this to be very insightful.
It makes sense imo. Artificial lighting and minerals will cause mutations and or loss Of vigor. Just like in humans you eat McDonald's, drink , and smoke cigs for 30 years. You might loose some vigor

Idk I was a mother keeper and was taught that cloning clones is a no-no. But taught by others who kept mothers. Ime I have noticed. An increase in vigor and health. I also feel that continuing the cuts that show the best qualities Into next gen overall has made my long term strains better overall.

I have ran lemon skunk. Almost 24 months now. No mothers just pull 3-5 cuts off favorite plant and of those next 3-5 take the best one for next round of clones.

I think if room were more avail I would consider switching back to mothers but I don't see any negative effects from cloning clones. But it would be nice to have constant mothers to take cuts. Just people who want clones alone could be worth it. So my feet are in both camps. But not because genetics goin bad.

Seeds have l believe something like 20% more vigor than clones. It is not due to degradation of genetics, but more like natures spent nitrous bottle on a car still 100% mechanically sound when empty. Plants are regenerative, humans are not. The math of this myth is just bad deductive logic like that employed and accepted by most politicians today

http://www.oxfordjournals.org/our_journals/pcp/specialfocusissue_plant_epigenetics.html

http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/53/5/763.full

gladstoned said:

I believe most clones do get weaker over time, but because of the growers, not the strain.

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Exactly, in fact I'll go one step in the other direction. Give me a clone of some strain that has only been grown in dirt and I'll DWC it and give you a finished bud that will look, smell, and taste completely different with a higher thc content!