Hans Panel 56w triband led(65w total)>VS<Indagro 100 full spec induction(105w)+FIGHT!

PSUAGRO. · Nov 3, 2012

chazbolin said:
Picture 1: My new desktop. lookin purty psuagro

These cheesedreams are nice looking kids......very thirsty in that pic, gotta tweak my watering schedule a little under the inda-gro

guod said:
hans @ 18 inches with 56W
inda @ 10 inches with 110W

double the distance at half the power... that´s not fair...

...but hans panel can handle this handycap as i see

stay with the natural pics, PSU

65w(w driver/fan) vs 105w to be exact

and the induction bulb is quite recessed into the reflector, pretty close in distances(10inches from the edge of the fixture/not bulb)........Hans will hold it's own no doubt in veg/ leds in general are almost unbeatable for vegging per watt consumed.....flowering is where I think we will see the differences between these techs......maybe

puffenuff said:
Keep up the good work! Looking nice and healthy!

Thanks brother puff..........hope your afgoo's went to a good home!!.......really wanted to see them finish/ almost perfect growth....

Jennylasting said:
i don't get how that hans panel is working so well, cant wait to see it flower, PSUARGO you plants are off to a really good start, i actually think my higher watt led slowed the growth of my seedling's as ive been informed that the type of nm's used slow down growth if in too high an abundance in seedling stage, kinda fries them, so for a third of the watts you have a better result than me (other factors aside), will be really interested to see this one finish! good work

Just get your distance right(takes personal experience w your panel) and the great growth will follow....post some pics here and EH/other area 51 users can give you a good guess on your height requirements........Check my last grow, i think i moved Hans panel about 100 times easy..lol.....18 inches might not even be the "sweet" spot for it...who knows, it just worked last round..

PetFlora said:
Needing big watts is just another BS story. Bigger is NOT always better. Glad I could not afford a commercial 400 led panel

Here's my led girl ~ 10 days into flower. Roughly 80w of leds + 26w Repti Glo 10.0 + Reptile Basking Light 50w

First pic is top bud. Pic 2 is her bottom half

Looking good pet.....still using that UFO i see...

HomeGrownup said:
Eager for the results! Thinking of buying one of Hans' panels.

Good luck.......you will be waiting for awhile

foreverflyhi said:
Nice homie!
i was so close on buying one of those full spectrum lights but decided to hold Off.
I just found out indagrow is literally couple blocks from my home I might go check them out.
Also Can't wait till tommorow , ima go to the indoor garden expo in long beach and check out all the latest gear!!!
much love!

Nice to see you back foreverfly!.........the move went well I imagine?...........now we just need Franjan/Jubiare to pop back in.....And Amax to tell us he's alright!

I think you will like these induction lights....very well built and DEAD QUIET.....flowering performance I have no idea from a personal view, but Splifferous rocked these panels....check the Inda thread

Update.......................

Big kids are ILP's cheesedreams (reg) at 16 days veg.....Small kids are PS's anubis (fem) at 11 days veg

Inda-gro kids(105w)

...16 days veg........

..@ 11 days veg....I've seen dogwoods grow faster than these anubis kids

Hans Panel kids(65w):

..@16 days veg.....

..@11 days

......Both cheese kids where watered yesterday with 1/4 strength roots organic trinity(carb catalyst)/ liquid beni bac.....I really hope I get a girl from these two reg's/ just great growth......be safe and happy growing RIU..

Alex281 · Nov 3, 2012

Looking good bro!

guod · Nov 3, 2012

PSUAGRO. said:
.....flowering is where I think we will see the differences between these techs......maybe

my RAP
in da grow hans will win

smyleys everywhere!!

IlovePlants · Nov 4, 2012

You should take the tops for clones and train the Cheese Dreams down. If they're ladies, you'll be glad you have cuts :bigjoint:

Also it should even things up between it and the anubis fems. They seem to be a bit behind. I bet those larger lowers would make great dual cola's. Everything looks nice and healthy.

Peace,
ILovePlants

The Dawg · Nov 4, 2012

Looking Rock Solid Up In Dat White Azz Closet.Damn Thats Has To Be The Cleanest Grow Room For A DirtyFingers Grower That I Have Ever Seen.Are You Sure You Dont Wear Sunglasses When You Go In And Check Your Ladies??

PSUAGRO. · Nov 5, 2012

Alex281 said:
Looking good bro!

Thanks brother.............when are you updating your vipar grow??

guod said:
my RAP
in da grow hans will win

smyleys everywhere!!

Ha............will see..........I think they are both handling veg very well for the small wattage consumed

IlovePlants said:
You should take the tops for clones and train the Cheese Dreams down. If they're ladies, you'll be glad you have cuts Also it should even things up between it and the anubis fems. They seem to be a bit behind. I bet those larger lowers would make great dual cola's. Everything looks nice and healthy.

Peace,
ILovePlants

No space for clones my friend and my state considers clones/seeds as a plant count, I would be getting close to mandatory minimum for manufacturing (1 year in prison!!!).......I personally don't like topping or "major" training on first runs with a strain( I like to see how they behave naturally first, before pushing for higher yield techniques)......I'll definitely vlst them, maybe even a crop.....honestly id like to flip them already cause of their growth rate/ if they flower(hopefully) like they grow, ill be coming back for more of your genetics......thanks for the advice.

The Dawg said:
Looking Rock Solid Up In Dat White Azz Closet.Damn Thats Has To Be The Cleanest Grow Room For A DirtyFingers Grower That I Have Ever Seen.Are You Sure You Dont Wear Sunglasses When You Go In And Check Your Ladies??

Yep cleanest dirt grower ever/ ha, well you know about cleanliness=no pest issues, your rooms are spotless dawg! ..........Even keep the soil level low for less blow off from the fan....also it allows me to later add a top dress for root zone insulation in the cold months ahead( i'll talk more about this when we get to it).....No sunglasses Dawg :bigjoint:

update...............

Big kids are ILP's cheesedreams (reg) @ 18 days veg............Little brats are PS's anubis (fem) @ 13 days veg

Inda-gro kids (105watts):

..@18days....<showing some twisting on the new growth/ will raise the panel a touch

@13 days...both anubis have settled in and growth has finally taken off

Hans panel kids (65w):

18 days and just very healthy..

@ 13 days and doing much better

.......lowered to 18/6 light schedule/raised the inda panel(1.5 inches lol)...........and that's it..............happy growing RIU

foreverflyhi · Nov 5, 2012

Do you look at this comparison as EFDL vs LED or do you look at this as Hans Cree panel vs IndaGrow EFDL? ( I'm aware of the title of this thread*)

I personally look at it as led vs EFDL.

Would it be safe to say if LED beats EFDL then we can assume LED can out perform quality fluorescents?
Or vise versa? I'm aware of many things coming into play, but if one completely competes another then I would have my awnser.
with a ace grower like psuagro, I can expect good results

Went to indoor expo, as I expected it was a bunch of salesmen and hot women in skimpy outfits advertising there synthetic chemicals... But overall it was fun I picked up with some good info and conversation with California light works, stealth
led, and some organic companies like vital earth (which they gave me by far the best give away).. Also purchased the sickest grow tent I ever seen!!!! Check it http://www.gorillagrowtent.com/ I gots the 9x9
Happy grow yo yo's

chazbolin · Nov 5, 2012

Psuagro: I love your work bro. The garden is looking great.

4ever: If you're talking about the Long Beach expo I hit it up on Sunday and had a blast. I didn't actually try and buy anything though since pretty much everyone I talked to sold through distributors. Definitely not as much swag as the SF show but 4 sure plenty of hot lasses to be seen.

As to your query that one technology might surpass the other in absolute terms I don't think that even the results of a skilled grower like psuagro would be concrete evidence that one technology would trump the other when there are so many variables that come into play in plant photobiology, grower skills/methods, and the quality of the products within that same technology that would compete for the coveted spot above your plants. My point is all LED is not created equal, nor is all fluorescent nor EFDL. Case in point; I visited another EFDL company that had a booth at the expo. Nice enough guys and all but they had married a blue lamp to a red lamp and told me that it would most certainly outproduce a 1000 watt HPS. These guys didn't know me or what experience I had with EFDL so I just sat there and nodded my head like this was all new to me. They told me that their light was superior to anything else on the market as it was PAR spectrum specific and would increase growing efficiencies by greater lux output, etc, etc, etc.

I left that booth thinking I just hope that people do their research before they buy and don't fall for slick, or in this case not so slick, marketing on EFDL or this technology will be dismissed as 'not for serious growers'. Anyhew here's their site which of course is meant for the 'serious grower' to make an informed decision. http://growright.biz/ BTW the Goliath on the upper right hand side of the site looks to be a bit oddly colored but maybe it's just me. They claim that fixture outproduces two 1000 watt HPS.

My point being that the variables between individual growers, plants, technologies and the manufacturers of those products will always make for less than absolute dictums.

Jennylasting · Nov 6, 2012

those red and blue ones look really odd, i though inda-gro's and all that were always full spectrum, white light? plants looks great psuargo, growing fast!

PetFlora · Nov 7, 2012

foreverflyhi said:
Do you look at this comparison as EFDL vs LED or do you look at this as Hans Cree panel vs IndaGrow EFDL? ( I'm aware of the title of this thread*)

I personally look at it as led vs EFDL.

Would it be safe to say if LED beats EFDL then we can assume LED can out perform quality fluorescents?
Or vise versa? I'm aware of many things coming into play, but if one completely competes another then I would have my awnser.
with a ace grower like psuagro, I can expect good results

Went to indoor expo, as I expected it was a bunch of salesmen and hot women in skimpy outfits advertising there synthetic chemicals... But overall it was fun I picked up with some good info and conversation with California light works, stealth
led, and some organic companies like vital earth (which they gave me by far the best give away).. Also purchased the sickest grow tent I ever seen!!!! Check it http://www.gorillagrowtent.com/ I gots the 9x9
Happy grow yo yo's

Results with leds depends on having a proper spectral blend. IMHO Hans panel would benefit GREATLY from incorporating whites, which he has been resistant to do. EFDLs incorporate more/all of the 'tweener' spectrums missing from actinic led fixtures.

My own results of mixing cw + ww + my ufo 9- (R/B 9:1) are extremely rewarding, so far. That said, the buds under my HOT5 are ~ 30% bigger BUT ~ 4xs the watts, but it's not a race. It seems leds take longer to fatten up and finish

StarSunRainbowChild · Nov 7, 2012

New here ,just got caught up on this op. Awesome. Are you going to make it to the 12/12 cycle, a month out like you were planning?

-As long as people keep doing what they were born to do. Governments will always have to suck a fatty.

PSUAGRO. · Nov 7, 2012

foreverflyhi said:
Do you look at this comparison as EFDL vs LED or do you look at this as Hans Cree panel vs IndaGrow EFDL? ( I'm aware of the title of this thread*)

I personally look at it as led vs EFDL.

Would it be safe to say if LED beats EFDL then we can assume LED can out perform quality fluorescents?
Or vise versa? I'm aware of many things coming into play, but if one completely competes another then I would have my awnser.
with a ace grower like psuagro, I can expect good results

Went to indoor expo, as I expected it was a bunch of salesmen and hot women in skimpy outfits advertising there synthetic chemicals... But overall it was fun I picked up with some good info and conversation with California light works, stealth
led, and some organic companies like vital earth (which they gave me by far the best give away).. Also purchased the sickest grow tent I ever seen!!!! Check it http://www.gorillagrowtent.com/ I gots the 9x9
Happy grow yo yo's

Like it has been said nothing is "absolute".......to many variables in this comp for it to be a true comparison of the techs(no clones is a big one).....take from it what you will, I'll try my best...hopefully not too many grower errors

Basically just wanted to grow/bloom with an EFDL....they have intrigued me for awhile now.....all that's left after this is sulfur plasma/ha...maybe puff will let me borrow his when he buys one next year...

chazbolin said:
Psuagro: I love your work bro. The garden is looking great.

4ever: If you're talking about the Long Beach expo I hit it up on Sunday and had a blast. I didn't actually try and buy anything though since pretty much everyone I talked to sold through distributors. Definitely not as much swag as the SF show but 4 sure plenty of hot lasses to be seen.

As to your query that one technology might surpass the other in absolute terms I don't think that even the results of a skilled grower like psuagro would be concrete evidence that one technology would trump the other when there are so many variables that come into play in plant photobiology, grower skills/methods, and the quality of the products within that same technology that would compete for the coveted spot above your plants. My point is all LED is not created equal, nor is all fluorescent nor EFDL. Case in point; I visited another EFDL company that had a booth at the expo. Nice enough guys and all but they had married a blue lamp to a red lamp and told me that it would most certainly outproduce a 1000 watt HPS. These guys didn't know me or what experience I had with EFDL so I just sat there and nodded my head like this was all new to me. They told me that their light was superior to anything else on the market as it was PAR spectrum specific and would increase growing efficiencies by greater lux output, etc, etc, etc.

I left that booth thinking I just hope that people do their research before they buy and don't fall for slick, or in this case not so slick, marketing on EFDL or this technology will be dismissed as 'not for serious growers'. Anyhew here's their site which of course is meant for the 'serious grower' to make an informed decision. http://growright.biz/ BTW the Goliath on the upper right hand side of the site looks to be a bit oddly colored but maybe it's just me. They claim that fixture outproduces two 1000 watt HPS.

My point being that the variables between individual growers, plants, technologies and the manufacturers of those products will always make for less than absolute dictums.

I agree with this^^^................but I do feel that Hans/Indagro are great representations of their specific technologies for consumer purchase.......I thought those red/blue fused bulbs where considered crap?? definitely some wild claims going on...

Jennylasting said:
those red and blue ones look really odd, i though inda-gro's and all that were always full spectrum, white light? plants looks great psuargo, growing fast!

Yeah the inda-gro is a full spec(white) efdl bulb...........hans is 2 660nm red/27 630nm red/4 460nm blue leds and that's it.....both doing a great job IMO

PetFlora said:
Results with leds depends on having a proper spectral blend. IMHO Hans panel would benefit GREATLY from incorporating whites, which he has been resistant to do. EFDLs incorporate more/all of the 'tweener' spectrums missing from actinic led fixtures.

My own results of mixing cw + ww + my ufo 9- (R/B 9:1) are extremely rewarding, so far. That said, the buds under my HOT5 are ~ 30% bigger BUT ~ 4xs the watts, but it's not a race. It seems leds take longer to fatten up and finish

I agree about the adding two WW leds in the center of the panel @123 degree angles/ Hans says it "loses" it's efficiency ......the guy has been researching led=MJ for almost six+ years now/ he may know something we don't....He still trying to find ways to improve it constantly(just added blue cree xt-e); white leds are not it according to him.....stubborn

StarSunRainbowChild said:
New here ,just got caught up on this op. Awesome. Are you going to make it to the 12/12 cycle, a month out like you were planning?

-As long as people keep doing what they were born to do. Governments will always have to suck a fatty.

Yeah will flip at day thirty/ maybe earlier as the cheese dreams are getting bigger than I wanted......In hindsight I should have sexed a branch on each cheese ten days ago/ would have known by now......oh well...........the anubis kids will be small yielders due to the early flowering.....

ILP'S Cheesedreams(reg) @ day 20 of veg.......Inda-gro(105w) left side/ hans panel (65w) right side:

....little more stretch under the hans panel......In this micro-grow i prefer the stocky veg under the Inda-gro ATM..

PS anubis (fem) @ 15 days veg..........Inda-gro left side/ hans led right side

.........great growth for two days under 18/6

.....the cheese kids are starting to stink so the large ionizer has been put in the room.....lowering the light schedule to 16/8 as of today...........be safe and happy growing RIU

stardustsailor · Nov 7, 2012

Beatiful...
Great work,brother..

chazbolin · Nov 7, 2012

Hiya psuagro! I see a bit of stretch on the Hans side compared to the IG side but she's healthy and overall the gurlz are looking mighty fine bro.

Just wondering; are you planning on trimming off the leaves below the pot line or do you keep them on for a reason to see if they'll stretch up maybe? I've always clipped them to prevent mold, mildew and critter climb but that's just me.

guod · Nov 7, 2012

.

...little more stretch under the hans panel......

leaf size are also greater >> weaker light?

same height as the Inda for hans... lets see what happend

must I say your grow looks fine...

stardustsailor · Nov 7, 2012

Overall it is weaker light ..
56 Watt at plug with an(pretty rough,no calculations there.. )average of 0.45 of led efficiency (reds =0.35 ? / blues = 0.5 ? ),
gives an average output flux of 25 .2 Watts ...

While Ind-gro with 105 at plug and an average efficiency of ( i guess ..) 0.3 ,gives an average output flux of 31 .5 Watts..

I might be quite wrong ,though not knowing the exact radiometric efficiency of induction lamps...
just a rough guess ,there...

Anyway...
I don not think ,that this is depending only in flux ...

It's one thing more,there...
And it is called "Sun adaptance " or "Shade adaptance" vs " light provided"
By time,I hope it will get " accepted " as "fact"...
Step by step...

Both plants look as "shade adapted"..
One of them gets ,a bit better light quality..
At least ,as "shade adapted" plant...

chazbolin · Nov 7, 2012

Hey Star! After reading your comments regarding comparative flux energy between the two lights a couple of thoughts spring to mind as an engineering exercise.

On Han's panel you'd need to know how many and the exact specifications of the reds/blue diodes there are before you could make that weighted flux calculation. A theory of 45% efficiency on the LED's, and you're not counting the power supply efficiency, lends itself to a highly speculative calculation in arriving at an output flux of 25.2 watts. It would be great if that type of efficiency can be achieved but we really can't say without testing the panel as engineering calculations on paper rarely stack up completely to the reality.

Your 30% average efficiency for EFDL is an accepted industry level so I would go along with a 105 watt IG lamp coming in @ 31.5 watts of average output flux. I think as a watt to watt comparison goes though the IG was designed to cover an aspect ratio of 24 x 24 thru final flower allowing for at least a second plant in veg and a single mature plant with good outer edge coverage. An area of coverage that an LED panel may have outer edge issues with. But we shall see. For me this side by side grow is more about seeing the veg-flower responses between the plants to their different light sources and not so much the flux efficiencies between those two sources. All that being said it's still too early to make any conclusions other than what we can see. Which leads me to...

I would like to read more on Shade Adaptance vs Light Provided. Is that an article you're pointing to?

stardustsailor · Nov 7, 2012

Hey Star! After reading your comments regarding comparative flux energy between the two lights a couple of thoughts spring to mind as an engineering calculation.

On Han's panel you'd need to know how many and the exact specifications of the reds/blue diodes there are before you could make that weighted flux calculation. A theory of 45% efficiency on the LED's, and you're not counting the power supply efficiency, lends itself to a highly speculative calculation in arriving at an output flux of 25.2 watts. It would be great if that type of efficiency can be achieved but we really can't say without testing the panel as engineering calculations on paper rarely stack up completely to the reality.

I can't disagree at all...
(Although I stated that : pretty rough,no calculations there.. )

Your 30% average efficiency for EFDL is an accepted industry level so I would go along with a 105 watt IG lamp coming in @ 31.5 watts of average output flux. I think as a watt to watt comparison goes though the IG was designed to cover an aspect ratio of 24 x 24 thru final flower allowing for at least a second plant in veg and a single mature plant with good outer edge coverage. An area of coverage that an LED panel may have outer edge issues with. But we shall see. For me this side by side grow is more about seeing the veg-flower responses between the plants to their different light sources and not so much the flux efficiencies between those two sources. All that being said it's still too early to make any conclusions other than what we can see. Which leads me to...

Now I agree totally with you...(specially for the underlined part..)

I would like to read more on Shade Adaptance vs Light Provided. Is that an article you're pointing to?

Well ,it's fresh,still under progression ,but I promise it's gonna have couple of cool stuff...
Regarding almost ..everything(about light & plants ) .Shade adaptance ,included....
https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/579852-sunlight-project-sun-ultimate-guide.html

IlovePlants · Nov 7, 2012

PSUAGRO,
The Cheese Dreams should sex within the next 5 days. If you can't tell by then, they are probably girls. Also, if you want the best yield out of those 2 gallons, I suggest that you clean out any shaded growth and remove any unnecessary fan leaves. Cheese Dreams is a freak early in flowering and does an extreme stretch for the first week then stops, usually only 6 inches or so. They look extremely healthy! No matter what you do I'm sure you're going to love these.

Keep up the great work,
ILovePlants

The Dawg · Nov 8, 2012

stardustsailor said:
Overall it is weaker light ..
56 Watt at plug with an(pretty rough,no calculations there.. )average of 0.45 of led efficiency (reds =0.35 ? / blues = 0.5 ? ),
gives an average output flux of 25 .2 Watts ...

While Ind-gro with 105 at plug and an average efficiency of ( i guess ..) 0.3 ,gives an average output flux of 31 .5 Watts..

I might be quite wrong ,though not knowing the exact radiometric efficiency of induction lamps...
just a rough guess ,there...

Anyway...
I don not think ,that this is depending only in flux ...

It's one thing more,there...
And it is called "Sun adaptance " or "Shade adaptance" vs " light provided"
By time,I hope it will get " accepted " as "fact"...
Step by step...

Both plants look as "shade adapted"..
One of them gets ,a bit better light quality..
At least ,as "shade adapted" plant...

chazbolin said:
Hey Star! After reading your comments regarding comparative flux energy between the two lights a couple of thoughts spring to mind as an engineering exercise.

On Han's panel you'd need to know how many and the exact specifications of the reds/blue diodes there are before you could make that weighted flux calculation. A theory of 45% efficiency on the LED's, and you're not counting the power supply efficiency, lends itself to a highly speculative calculation in arriving at an output flux of 25.2 watts. It would be great if that type of efficiency can be achieved but we really can't say without testing the panel as engineering calculations on paper rarely stack up completely to the reality.

Your 30% average efficiency for EFDL is an accepted industry level so I would go along with a 105 watt IG lamp coming in @ 31.5 watts of average output flux. I think as a watt to watt comparison goes though the IG was designed to cover an aspect ratio of 24 x 24 thru final flower allowing for at least a second plant in veg and a single mature plant with good outer edge coverage. An area of coverage that an LED panel may have outer edge issues with. But we shall see. For me this side by side grow is more about seeing the veg-flower responses between the plants to their different light sources and not so much the flux efficiencies between those two sources. All that being said it's still too early to make any conclusions other than what we can see. Which leads me to...

I would like to read more on Shade Adaptance vs Light Provided. Is that an article you're pointing to?

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