H2o2 or the Beneficials

benies V H2o2


  • Total voters
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kilo810

Active Member
Hey guys kinda tied on what I want to use, In one aspect I know the Beneficials are great for the plant but I also know that there are hazards(AKA root rot)

H2o2 is sterile, and promotes fast plant growth, but is the plant going to be complete, will it still yeild awesome amount?
 

VoidObject

DWC/Bubbleponics Mod
Look at it this way.. beneficial bacteria contribute, while h202 just kills living bacteria. They're complete opposites.. and the way I see it is organics = bennies, chems = h202, just because it wouldn't make sense backwards. Proofs 101 QED bitches
 

Uber Newb

Active Member
The secret is the RIGHT kinda Bennies brother! Once you get the good ones started they will help the plant a ton and kick the shit out of any 'invaders'. But yeah, if your using chem ferts stick to h2o2 and if your organic learn what teas are and how to brew them.
 

kilo810

Active Member
The secret is the RIGHT kinda Bennies brother! Once you get the good ones started they will help the plant a ton and kick the shit out of any 'invaders'. But yeah, if your using chem ferts stick to h2o2 and if your organic learn what teas are and how to brew them.
so with dyna-gro i should just go h2o2 every couple days and stick with that.
 

kilo810

Active Member
Again I have have had great success with the bennies but have also seen the down side with a huge pythium attack. So what is said here I should just keep it all in check with h2o2 and call it a night if Im using chems, but why cant the bennies work in chem.
 

NullSiG

Active Member
Again I have have had great success with the bennies but have also seen the down side with a huge pythium attack. So what is said here I should just keep it all in check with h2o2 and call it a night if Im using chems, but why cant the bennies work in chem.
because the H2O2 kills all the good bacteria in the system aswell as the bad there are no beneficial bacteria in the chems
 

yaunch77

Member
I'm now using the tea with GH 3 part. I was using H202 and it didn't stop the slime/root rot. Ever since I switched from h202 to the tea, my roots have taken off, and as a result, so have my plants. I was about to reboot two weeks ago but I decided to give the tea a shot and I'm glad I did.

This is from 12/14 the day after I started adding the tea. This plant is almost 4 weeks old!
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This is from today just 11 days later. This plant has a huge root system. Prior to the tea, roots would rot as soon as they descended from the net pot.
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nrgpill

Member
Bennies is never the cause of a pythium attack when the tea is brewed right. Rather, it is the environment in which the bennies get introduced to is the cause. An example of that would be when you already have the early signs of root rot present and you add carb additive and the tea not knowing the presence of pythium, thereby propagating both the rot and the bennies. So the part about tea causing pythium is a bit confusing to me.


Again I have have had great success with the bennies but have also seen the down side with a huge pythium attack. So what is said here I should just keep it all in check with h2o2 and call it a night if Im using chems, but why cant the bennies work in chem.
 

dbkick

Well-Known Member
If I were to vote it would be based on MY system , there are no details on your system. If your temperatures are maintained and you keep shit half assed clean then def a sterile res , but if you can't control temps then beneficial bacteria and fungi may be best for you. one method will work for some where it won't for others, trying to maintain a sterile res while having temperatures way too high will probably be more work/cost than the bacteria and fungi. I was recently told to use a very weak solution of bleach so I tried a little experiment with a small amount in veg, I noticed a slight slime of some kind and didn't like it, so I added some bleach. top leaves turned a bit bright for a few days but after that they were fine (they're my current Un-VO grow, see thread). I don't use bleach anymore just because I don't like the idea of it but I do use h2o2, the amount needed to keep a truly sterile res gets costly.
 

dbkick

Well-Known Member
Look at it this way.. beneficial bacteria contribute, while h202 just kills living bacteria. They're complete opposites.. and the way I see it is organics = bennies, chems = h202, just because it wouldn't make sense backwards. Proofs 101 QED bitches
Bullshit. further explanation is needed to fully understand this. I do understand the part about not using h2o2 in organics but I can't see the reasoning behind not using beneficial bacteria with chemical nutrients. For instance, does AN recommend you not using their base while using voodoo juice? I don't think so.
 

VoidObject

DWC/Bubbleponics Mod
A lot of organic growers will tell you that microbes are for one thing: breaking down organic material, because that's what they're widely used/bred for in a professional environment (you know, because professionals don't worry about root rot when they have optimal conditions.)

You're lucky I read your trolling comment db, I usually don't, but I don't want people misinformed due to your hate on me.
 

dbkick

Well-Known Member
trolling? wtf is with you dude? my info is useful and accurate. and wtf are you talking about misinformed. yours is the only misinformation I see here, you can use beneficial bacteria/fungi with chemical nutrients all you want.
 

dbkick

Well-Known Member
I don't appreciate that hostile goddamn rap(or any goddamn rap) video you sent me either. OP listen to VO , check out his grows, he certainly knows how to hit a bong.
 

jewgrow

Well-Known Member
trolling? wtf is with you dude? my info is useful and accurate. and wtf are you talking about misinformed. yours is the only misinformation I see here, you can use beneficial bacteria/fungi with chemical nutrients all you want.
Yes you can use all the beneficial bacteria/fungi you want. You're just killing them every time you use your chemical nutes....Even just a bit of chlorine in your water will make the beneficial [teas] basically useless. Void Object knows what he is talking about. And I haven't researched it too much, but from what I read h202 doesn't actually KILL anything.
 

dbkick

Well-Known Member
Yes you can use all the beneficial bacteria/fungi you want. You're just killing them every time you use your chemical nutes....Even just a bit of chlorine in your water will make the beneficial [teas] basically useless. Void Object knows what he is talking about. And I haven't researched it too much, but from what I read h202 doesn't actually KILL anything.
oh boy I'm out of here for sure, my god. have a happy little day.
 

Vumar

Well-Known Member
Dutchmaster Root Zone Conditioner (same as H202) saved my rez when I had to leave for vacations. I added 9 ml to the res and came back 4 days later to a rez that was 85 degrees Fahrenheit. ZERO ROOT ROT. I now use 3-5 ML per res (My rez are only 5 gallon and 6 gallon) everytime I change it, it works, so Im keeping it simple stupid =).

Hey anyone else wanna attack the mod in which we post threads in? Cause I dont.
 

nrgpill

Member
I think perhaps VO and Jewgrow have the right intent but perhaps not understanding all the "Heisenberg" tea users who only use chem ferts. The idea behind it is to simply not feed the slime more by using organics and then inoculate the root using the tea soonafter you have cleaned off the slime. The carbs (or organics for that matter) is fed during the tea brewing process in order to propagate the bennies by feeding them (unsulphered molasses in my case). When you dump the tea into a dwc res, you should not have any organics or carbs present until the symptoms you are trying to treat has largely been subsided. Once the bennies have been fully inoculated in a dwc setup, you can start to introduce organics and carb based additives that the bennies feed on, and the bennies will simply outnumber the little bit of slime present in the res at that point, so you are good moving forward.

Having said that, the tea you dump into the res is only good for a short while without a food source. That is why the "Heisenberg" method calls for continuous feeding of the tea (2-3 times a week) so a new army of bennies can be introduced after a couple days of inoculating and dying off.
 
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