Grow room design

I'm sure this is a non stop topic for newbs but that's how it is, we just want everything to be perfect for our girls. I have a pretty good idea on what I want, just here for some fact checking.

My idea is this:
- Grow boxes
2x 8x4x7 tents for 2 different stages of flowering,
1x ? size tent for vegging (note - vegging is for plants to cover one of the two flower tents)
Clone station or propagator?

- Lights
4x 600w hps (2 for each tent) w/ med. Adjust a wings
Lumatek ballasts for bulbs
250w? or 400w? or 600w mh? for veg tent
T5 panel for clone station

- Air
One carbon filter per grow box for extracting air φ100x250mm
One same sized fan per grow box for air intake
2x15cm clip on fans per grow box
Cooltubes for adjust a wings, saw conversion kit for them so you can hook cooltubes on 'em so that's pretty neat
Air ducting
A\C unit in the room + a radiator
Humid/dehumidifier

- Water
R/o filter
Nutes tank
Plain r/o tank?
What should I add to r/o water besides powder feeding for coco coir? Only PK 13/14?

- Medium
Smart pots, variable sizes,
Jiffy pots for transplanting
Coco coir mixed w/ perlite (which % for hand watering?)

- Accessories
EC/ph meter
Thermometer
Hygrometer
Light timers

I haven't mentioned number of plants cause that is what I'm looking for.
I plan on growing with Arjans powder feeding then hesi nutes. Ofc the seeds will also be from ghs. For vegging I was thinking about 4 weeks w/ 8-9 weeks flowering. How many plants would be most practical for a newb like me? I'm not familiar with scrog, sog, fimming, any plant training, only picked up some wizdom from mr. Jorge Cervantes and Ed Rosenthal. I'm still in the planning phase, so I'm looking for most practical ideas. I know this, no matter if I grow 1 or 20 plants under a light, the result doesn't depend on that, so what would be easier for me? 4 plants? 9 plants under one light taking into account that they'll be vegged for 4 weeks? I was thinking of starting in veg tent, then into the flower tent, when a month passes the other flower tent is filled so its a monthly crop harvest. Is this realistic?

If I missed anything feel free to add.

Looking forward to getting some answers.

Have a good day all

Two tents for flowering seems like overkill to me. One of those tents is plenty of room for a good harvest. I have a propagation station setup where I keep my mothers and clones. I use a t5 4 bulb fixture and it works well. I also have a mh ballast but controlling the heat vs the t5 is a no brainer for me. So you could cut a lot of cost just by doing that. If money isn't an issue than pursue what you're trying to achieve. But if money is an issue I would go the simplest route first. Not that you don't know what your doing but that setup is gonna require a lot of maintenance and running those hps lights you might need to make sure your wiring is up to code and can handle it.

For seedlings and clones I run about 40% perlite. This way it holds water a little better and allows the medium to breath a bit better as well and always keeps the humidity at a good level. As far as everything you have its fine. It looks like you've done your research. One thing I didn't see is inline fans. You will need some good air movement to cool those bulbs. Will also need fresh air for your ladies. There's a lot of different ways you could go with your set up. If I were you I would sit down an realistically think out your plans. Cost vs production. You could have a pretty bad ass setup and run co2 if you cut out a couple things you didn't need. Since this is your first grow I would start smaller. That way you can pinpoint problems that you will have. I would hate to see you drop a shit ton of money into a setup, have problems and lose your crop or get so frustrated that you give up. I would start off with 4 plants max for your first time. Learn your grow space, pinpoint problems and adjust accordingly. Just my 2 cents.

You know man, you do make a good point. The first one is going to be nothing fancy, one light, or two lights with diff number of plants. Thats what I can only speculate, how much canopy is going to be there with a month of vegging. You talked about t5 or mh, I was thinking of placing t5 in clone station and mh in veg tent. Anyway I cant wait to plant those little seeds and play God a little.

stefan018 said:

You know man, you do make a good point. The first one is going to be nothing fancy, one light, or two lights with diff number of plants. Thats what I can only speculate, how much canopy is going to be there with a month of vegging. You talked about t5 or mh, I was thinking of placing t5 in clone station and mh in veg tent. Anyway I cant wait to plant those little seeds and play God a little.

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It really is fun to watch your garden flower. If you're doing a scrog with a few plants and those lights you should have a good canopy. I would start with about 4 plants with 1 600w and set the scrog up. Keep a mother and add as needed to achieve the yield you're looking for. Time and patience is a huge key to growing a good crop and you will learn quickly from it.

Well, scrog is what I wanted to do in the first place, but it doesnt look easy. What method requires least training? Trimming leaves here and there, bushy indicas, is that a good idea?

stefan018 said:

Well, scrog is what I wanted to do in the first place, but it doesnt look easy. What method requires least training? Trimming leaves here and there, bushy indicas, is that a good idea?

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A good mix of indica and sativa would be fine. 80/20.. something like that. Pretty sure the querkle I run is a heavier mix of indica. I don't have to trim leaves. I let them grow. If the bottom foliage gets trashy I get rid of it. But generally speaking you don't want to destroy the energy source of your ladies. It is a weed and grows like one. Provide a good environment first and worry about the rest afterwards.

Edit: what is your goal with your grow?

Man, quirkle sure looks amazing, Im a big fan of fruity strains. Yes of course, bottom leaves are o no use. To answer your question, I dont want to buy shitty weed from dealers anymore, I wanna grow some for me, plus another grow for a friend.

what about a sulfur burner for a potential PM issue?

Here's a quote from mr. Cervantes' Bible:

"Powdery Mildew

Identify: First indication of infection is small
spots on the tops of leaves. At this point the disease has been inside the plant a week or more.
Spots progress to a fine, pale, gray-white powdery
coating on growing shoots, leaves, and
stems. Powdery mildew is not always limited to
the upper surface of foliage. Growth slows,
leaves yellow, and plants die as the disease
advances . Occasionally fatal indoors, this disease
is at its worst when roots dry out and foliage is
moist. Plants are infected for weeks before they
show the first symptoms.

Control: Cleanliness ! Prevent this mildew by
avoiding cool, damp, humid, dim grow room conditions, as well as fluctuating temperatures and
humidity. Low light levels and stale air affect this
disease. Increase air circulation and ventilation,
and make sure light intensity is high. Space containers far enough apart so air freely flows
between plants. Allow foliage to dry before turning off lights. Remove and destroy foliage more than 50 percent infected. Avoid excess nitrogen.
Copper and sulfur -lime sprays are a good prophylactic.

Biological Control: Apply Serenade (Bacillus
subtilis) or spray with a saturation mix of baking
soda and water.

Sprays: Bordeaux mixture may keep this mold
in check. A saturation of baking soda spray dries
to a fine powder on the leaf; the baking soda
changes the surface pH of the leaf to 7, and powdery
mildew cannot grow."

nicely said!!!

I highly recommend Growers Bible by mr. Jorge Cervantes.
Lots of useful info for beginners and experienced growers.

Lol

Sorry, was an ass. Too much tequila.

Only things I heard were Sulphur Burner (ok) and Serenade (ok) then I heard a bunch of crap.

Fix the environmental issues and PM can't survive. (Ventilation/dehumidification/heating dark cycle).

Next in my arsenal for veg / preflower is Eagle 20.

Next would be Sulphur vaporization.

Next would be bullet to my skull

Hey Stallone, can I get a role in Expendables? What do you think about cooltube on adjust a wing, its about 130 euros per kit, or is air cool better?

stefan018 said:

Hey Stallone, can I get a role in Expendables? What do you think about cooltube on adjust a wing, its about 130 euros per kit, or is air cool better?

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Poor reflective characteristics and complicated cleaning / bulb changes causes me to recommend a quality air cooled reflector.

Poor reflective characteristics? You thinking of adjust a wings or cool tubes?

stefan018 said:

Poor reflective characteristics? You thinking of adjust a wings or cool tubes?

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Cooltubes put an extra layer of lumen adsorbing glass above the bulb between bulb & reflector surface. Just a silly waste imho.

I thought light absorption is minimal with cooltubes, but okay. Are the adjust a wing really good as they say they are? does it matter they spread light better? Asking because I know that lumen output cannot be increased, just more or less spread. Is 3x3 the best size for 600 hps'? Can someone take the time and explain about light mover, can it really increase yield, what are pros and cons. I've read about them, but opinions vary a lot. What about two lights per mover? 8x4 tent with 2x 600w hps', one moving left to right, one moving tight to left? i know I ask too many q's but Ive never been interested in anything like I'm into little plantae.

I use a 1m parabolic hood withna 600w hps and have found it very good at spreading light and loosing heat. I point a little clip fan up into the hood and that gets the heat out and evenly spread around quickly.

I'm not sure why parabolics don't seem as popular as other hoods? There must be a reason.

Here's what my local hydro store has to offer:

They have 4, 6 and 8" aircools. There are some cooltubes only but I really dislike them. I've given thought to umbrella reflectors but I read on the hydroponics store website that it covers freakin' 4 square meters, is 100cm in diameter and 40cm deep, so if it's not adjustable its not for me. I dont plan on covering such a large area with just one bulb. Maybe they're mistaken, or if its brought closer to plants it covers the right area. I was and still am in a dilemma about adjust a wings, how are they cooled, and are they really that good as marketed? The diamond one hasn't brought my attention. So, its come to aircool vs. adjust a wings vs. umbrella. Just to mention, temps here are variable, days are cold and warm, nights too, even though I'll add an a/c, I dont want to have to run it a lot, not energy efficient. Whats best solution for cooling? Are adjust a wings high temp, and if they are how to cool them, I dont think a small fan is going to work with two bulbs in a grow tent (thats my plan eventually, 2 bulbs per grow tent for flower).