GRAFTING DIFFERENT STRAINS TO A MOTHER PLANT

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mainliner

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A FRIEND OF MINE HAS AN APPLE TREE AND HES GRAFTED ABOUT 5 DIFFERENT VARIETYS OF APPLES ON ONE TREE, EVERY YEAR THEY FRUIT AND THEY STAY DIFFERENT VARIETYS, QUITE AMAZING ACTUALLY, i was wondering if you can do this to a mother plant which is kept in veg, ?????
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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probably the closest thing you could do would be to clone two plants together and put them in the same pot, if that's what you want. Honestly when I tried it, it was for fun, I can't really see an advantage of a grafted mother, unless you got like four strains grafted onto it.
Hell if ya figure THAT out, you'd need to move to a legal state and sell those bitches, make some dinero
 
Sativied

Sativied

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I've seen examples of successful grafting of cannabis online. From a local forum:



Sometimes I get the feeling not everyone heard of Google yet so here you go: www.google.com. If you type something in that text box, it will list many webpages with that text on it. What's also cool is that you can search for images only... 'mazing huh.

https://www.google.nl/search?q=grafting+cannabis - click Images results
 
lilmafia513

lilmafia513

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Interesting, I was just discussing this with a friend last week. He has been in landscaping and nursery's for over 25+ years, and was explaining how they graft trees, like mentioned above, and it got my stoner brain thinking about grafting the strains i want to keep with limited space to house my mothers. i have about 6 strains, very small mothers, crammed under a 400 MH. if i could graft these strains to one plant in a pot, or even all 6 strains to 2 mothers in 2 pots.
This plant never ceases to amaze me at what can be done with it...:clap:
 
vostok

vostok

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It is novel and they do make great gifts ...but in the time it takes I would do a lot of clones etc etc, is useful to join a female top to a male root if you can't clone too
 
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mainliner

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lilmafia513 said:
Interesting, I was just discussing this with a friend last week. He has been in landscaping and nursery's for over 25+ years, and was explaining how they graft trees, like mentioned above, and it got my stoner brain thinking about grafting the strains i want to keep with limited space to house my mothers. i have about 6 strains, very small mothers, crammed under a 400 MH. if i could graft these strains to one plant in a pot, or even all 6 strains to 2 mothers in 2 pots.
This plant never ceases to amaze me at what can be done with it...:clap:
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that's excactly what i was thinking
 
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LIBERTYCHICKEN

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I always wondered why indoor growers dont use more/any grafting , Once you have a fully established root system grafting a cutting to it makes alot of sense to me

technicaly MJ can vedj almost indefinitely

I also wondered why outdoor growers in medical states dont graft to getaround plant number laws ?
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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What do you have to gain especially for an annual? I think many are missing the reason some of us graft (and I do a lot of it). It's to first identify a rootstock that unlike the scion has the predisposition to uptake nutrients and water that the scion is incapable of. I've grown about every kind of cannabis genotype out there and have NEVER found one that has an uptake, nutritional issue if grown correctly.

I graft citrus to a dwarfing rootstock called Flying Dragon which not only imparts cold hardiness but up to 60% dwarfing to the scion. I graft avocados sourcing the finest gourmet budwood from all over the world to a rootstock that will stand up to my super hard well water while performing extremely well for the scion regarding nutrition. My vineyard clones which are also the best from Italy, France, etc. are on a rootstock that imparts vigor, late budbreak, and loves our limey soil which pretty much negates chlorosis issues common to alkaline soils. See where I'm going with this?

Mainliner, you can't compare 5 scions grafted to one selected apple rootstock to cannabis. That apple rootstock has been developed, or selected if you will, over many years of observation and testing for certain purposes...... mainly for its dwarfing characteristics and resistance to certain pressures like root knot nematodes.

Apples and oranges...... :)

Also, along with your friend's apple tree comes unexpected consequences the main one being one or more of the scions being dominant over some of the others.

Uncle Ben
 
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lilmafia513

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Uncle Ben said:
What do you have to gain especially for an annual? I think many are missing the reason some of us graft (and I do a lot of it). It's to first identify a rootstock that unlike the scion has the predisposition to uptake nutrients and water that the scion is incapable of. I've grown about every kind of cannabis genotype out there and have NEVER found one that has an uptake, nutritional issue if grown correctly.

I graft citrus to a dwarfing rootstock called Flying Dragon which not only imparts cold hardiness but up to 60% dwarfing to the scion. I graft avocados sourcing the finest gourmet budwood from all over the world to a rootstock that will stand up to my super hard well water while performing extremely well for the scion regarding nutrition. My vineyard clones which are also the best from Italy, France, etc. are on a rootstock that imparts vigor, late budbreak, and loves our limey soil which pretty much negates chlorosis issues common to alkaline soils. See where I'm going with this?

Mainliner, you can't compare 5 scions grafted to one selected apple rootstock to cannabis. That apple rootstock has been developed, or selected if you will, over many years of observation and testing for certain purposes...... mainly for its dwarfing characteristics and resistance to certain pressures like root knot nematodes.

Apples and oranges...... :)

Also, along with your friend's apple tree comes unexpected consequences the main one being one or more of the scions being dominant over some of the others.

Uncle Ben
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So, are you implying here that it would be a waste of time to graft several strains to one mother root zone, because it would eventually pull one strain characteristics to be more dominant anyway???
I honestly do not know, and am purely asking....for more knowledge. thank you
 
Tranquileyes

Tranquileyes

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I have read that cannabis and hops are so closely related, they can be grafter into each other, for whatever that's worth...
 
Sativied

Sativied

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lilmafia513 said:
So, are you implying here that it would be a waste of time to graft several strains to one mother root zone, because it would eventually pull one strain characteristics to be more dominant anyway???
I honestly do not know, and am purely asking....for more knowledge. thank you
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I don't think that's what UB meant with being dominant, grafting is not a means of transferring genetics. At least not directly. The DNA exchange is restricted to the contact zone between stock and scion, and not as far as between scions.
 
lilmafia513

lilmafia513

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Sativied said:
I don't think that's what UB meant with being dominant, grafting is not a means of transferring genetics. At least not directly. The DNA exchange is restricted to the contact zone between stock and scion, and not as far as between scions.
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Interesting!! Thanks for the response, Honestly i don't know what the stock or scion means either. Grafting is just something I have heard of until i read this post. my fantasy was to take 1 of my mothers, say my silver kush, and trim her a bit. At the same time, cut a clone the way i always do off of, lets say my Dinachem mother. Now take that dinachem clone and graft it to the spot i just trimmed off the silver kush.
In my head, this would allow me to have 2 strains in 1 pot space. Which is what we all want (More plants/strains in our limited space). Now if i do the same to my PPP and Shiva skunk, i now have 4 strains in the space of only 2. This allows me the room for 2 more pots, both holding 2 strains a pot.
I am not looking to cross genetics, or breed them in anyway. ONLY to possibly fix a space issue.

Do you think it would be possible to maintain the strains this way for ANY period of time? In theory you could do it to keep your outdoor strains going, while not cramping up space over winters indoors. Just some ideas that have been popping around my fuzzy brain lately LMAO

Lilmafia513
 
Sativied

Sativied

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lilmafia513 said:
Honestly i don't know what the stock or scion means either.
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That's really simple, stock is the part with the roots, scion is what you graft on a stock.

As for your questions, I think it's an interesting technique but I don't see any value in it for MJ growers other than those with a plant count limit. If space is a limit and you really really want to put many different strains in the space, you could do a SoG 12/12 from seed and grow 1 cola per plant only. If you have a plant count limit by law of for example 1 plant, and you do like 1 grow per year and want to have some variation in what you end up smoking, then grafting could be an option.

Cannabis grows roots so fast I don't really see the point of it, as UB pointed out it's an annual, and the roots the plant produce during veg and transition are plenty to allow the plant to do its thing.

Imagine for example you grow outdoor only and the cannabis roots wouldn't be able to survive in your environment, but hop roots would remain unaffected by whatever the cause is, in such a case grafting them would make sense.
 
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