Governments govern God. Should God govern governments?

Greatest I am

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Governments govern God. Should God govern governments?

At present, governments control the law of the land and church policy to a large extent. Should the law of the land be God’s law?

Separation of church and state, to my way of thinking, is impossible. To think that an elected official who adheres to a religion can somehow leave his or her religion out of the houses of government when they enter to take their seat is ridiculous. Social, cultural and traditional conditioning that people live under cannot just be set aside in one’s mind. Further a representative must represent his constituents and in the U.S. they will be religious constituents who wish to be represented as religious and not necessarily secular.

Christians and other religious seek to live in a theocracy under what I would call a Timocratic Tyranny. Timocratic in the sense that God rules for love, honor and duty. Tyrannical in the sense that any who break any of the laws, large or small, are swiftly dealt with. The non-religious seek more of a democratic nation where they make the rules and not God. As a Gnostic Christian, I admit to being secular and have no love of the laws the Gods offer.

At present, we all live in Oligarchic countries. Some of these we call democratic, some communistic and others of various labels but at the end of the day, all of us live in Oligarchies. We are all owned and controlled by those with wealth and bought political power.

If I focus on the U.S., I do not see how it is possible for what many Americans call a Christian nation, to not be conflicted, when Americans seek freedom and democracy in governance here on earth, while seeking the Timocratic Tyranny of heaven.

This goes against the notion of as above so below, or as Christians say, on earth as it is in heaven.
For Christians to end this governance conflict, --- they cannot have their cake and eat it too, ---Americans would have to bring God’s law to earth and scrap the notions of democracy and vote for a Timocratic Tyranny like what God has in heaven.

To accomplish the Christian goal of God’s law on earth as it is in heaven, the Christian right would have to gain power and end democracy in the U.S.

I would ask those Christians on the religious and political right, are you ready to try to dismantle the Oligarchy you presently live under, --- end the farce of democracy, --- and install God’s Timocratic Tyranny?

Regards
DL

 

bud nugbong

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The American gov. has very little to do with religion...plege allegiance to god that's about it.

Don't you know religion leads to genocide, war and priests touching children's penises?
 

reasonevangelist

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@OP: i see what you did there. ;)

The American gov. has very little to do with religion...plege allegiance to god that's about it.

Don't you know religion leads to genocide, war and priests touching children's penises?
"Religion" is not necessarily Theism. The government is indeed quite religious, in that regard... but "theistic religion" also plays a huge role in how the Oligarchy is run (despite the alleged "separation of church and state").

Edit: Also, i was thinking about just that, the pledge of allegiance, the other day... children cannot legally give consent in such a way. They have no idea to what (and whom) they are actually pledging their uninformed and indoctrinated "allegiance." They are taught to recite a "pledge of allegiance," as a mind-control conditioning tactic, in "public" (state funded, through taxes confiscated under duress) institutions. The reality of the situation is pretty vile, if you dig into it.

Allegiance to... "the united states (the states are not united, and even if they were... "the state") of america..."

AND TO THE REPUBLIC, for which it (the ideology of a nation of united states) stands...

One nation... (under god???)

Indivisible (we have been divided from within, hence NOT "indivisible")

"With LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL." (i don't even have to point out that quite a lot of us are unjustifiably deprived of our liberties, and that there is NOT justice "for all" ...but i just did, so there ya go)

They are minors, deliberately misinformed and guided to agree to something to which they actually cannot... which is essentially a HOAX, of an ideology used to entice allegiance, but NEVER DELIVERED.

They are being taught to swear themselves committed to something false.

That is almost exactly what theistic religion does.
 
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Greatest I am

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The American gov. has very little to do with religion...plege allegiance to god that's about it.

Don't you know religion leads to genocide, war and priests touching children's penises?
I do, yes.

I think you might be selling your government short though.

Bush said God endorsed his war.

Regards
DL
@OP: i see what you did there. ;)


"Religion" is not necessarily Theism. The government is indeed quite religious, in that regard... but "theistic religion" also plays a huge role in how the Oligarchy is run (despite the alleged "separation of church and state").

Edit: Also, i was thinking about just that, the pledge of allegiance, the other day... children cannot legally give consent in such a way. They have no idea to what (and whom) they are actually pledging their uninformed and indoctrinated "allegiance." They are taught to recite a "pledge of allegiance," as a mind-control conditioning tactic, in "public" (state funded, through taxes confiscated under duress) institutions. The reality of the situation is pretty vile, if you dig into it.

Allegiance to... "the united states (the states are not united, and even if they were... "the state") of america..."

AND TO THE REPUBLIC, for which it (the ideology of a nation of united states) stands...

One nation... (under god???)

Indivisible (we have been divided from within, hence NOT "indivisible")

"With LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL." (i don't even have to point out that quite a lot of us are unjustifiably deprived of our liberties, and that there is NOT justice "for all" ...but i just did, so there ya go)

They are minors, deliberately misinformed and guided to agree to something to which they actually cannot... which is essentially a HOAX, of an ideology used to entice allegiance, but NEVER DELIVERED.

They are being taught to swear themselves committed to something false.

That is almost exactly what theistic religion does.
 
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