Government looks to limit medical marijuana for Canada's veterans

CalyxCrusher

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More of the gov't thinking all people need the same amount of medical cannabis for their ailments. Dimwitted clowns, educate yourselves before taking hearsay as gospel. Since they felt it does nothing for arthritic pain, they took medical cannabis and threw it's validity under the bus for other ailments while they were at it. Dangerous words coming from someone uneducated Doctors may believe.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/government-looks-to-limit-medical-marijuana-for-canadas-veterans

Veterans Affairs Canada is considering capping its medical marijuana program, limiting how many grams of pot former military personnel can receive, and how much the government will pay.

Veterans Affairs wants to ensure costs for the burgeoning program don’t spiral out of control. The cap, proposed last month, is also aimed at addressing medical concerns over the efficacy and safety of using marijuana for medicinal reasons.

Federally, Veterans Affairs Canada is the only publicly funded payer for medical marijuana. Veterans who have a doctor’s note for marijuana can receive regular benefits from the government to cover all, or most, of the costs.

Between 2011 and 2013, the number of veterans in the program, as well as its cost, have increased about fourfold, according to an internal briefing note obtained by the Citizen. In 2013, 121 veterans received assistance for medical pot, at a cost of $353,000 to the department.

Even more veterans use marijuana outside any formal pot program to treat physical pain and symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), said Mike Blais, founder of Canadian Veterans Advocacy.

“They’re using marijuana rather than anti-psychotic drugs to find that peace,” said Blais, who was recently prescribed marijuana for back pain stemming from an injury while he was a peacekeeper.

More veterans want to be in the program and are asking for daily doses beyond what the department feels is safe. Without the cap, “uptake is expected to increase significantly,” reads the June note to Veterans Affairs Minister Julian Fantino.

Although most prescriptions were for five grams a day, between April and June the department received 22 requests for 10 grams a day or higher, according to the briefing note.

“It appears that doses being prescribed may be beginning to climb,” reads the note.

In April, Health Canada changed the rules for the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes. Rather than the government approving requests for medical marijuana, it was left to doctors to prescribe it and patients to purchase it from licensed growers.

Before the change, Veterans Affairs had no cap on its medical marijuana program because Health Canada gave eligible veterans marijuana at a fixed price of $5 per gram. But after April 1, private growers charged varying rates, a challenge for a program that as of early June had no cash cap or dosage limit.

By putting limits on the program, the department believes it can strike the right balance and also give doctors some guidelines, as their regulatory bodies are skeptical about having their members prescribe marijuana. Quebec recommends its doctors don’t prescribe, Fantino was told in the briefing note.

The department recommended capping coverage to veterans at five grams per day, and a maximum cost of $9 per gram. Those veterans approved for funds could go beyond these limits, but would have to cover the difference themselves.

The veterans currently in the program would be allowed to keep whatever benefit levels they receive, but would have their files sent to a review board to see if medical marijuana usage could be brought “to a safer level.”

“How can they say, we’re only paying this much when you’ve been prescribed (marijuana) for this reason?” Blais said. An additional $2 to $3 a day might sound small, he argued, but adds up over time. “These are part of the benefits of that sacred obligation that we pay for prescriptions or services related to our service wounds.”

The Canadian Medical Association says even five grams is contentious. CMA president Dr. Hugo Francescutti argued there was little evidence to prove marijuana’s efficacy as a pain-killer, pointing to a recent McGill University study that found marijuana didn’t help as expected with arthritis patients.

“Are there others thing that do what marijuana is supposed to do? Yes,” Francescutti said in an interview. “Do Canadians have access to good pain control? No.”
 

gb123

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2800/year is nothing for one person. They should be able to have as much as they want and need and all of it paid for by our Government!
They will be making BILLIONS off of sick people.
It would be nothing for our sad government to flip up help to the ones who made this country possible!!!!

AND

It's only a proposal... :lol: Lots of those floating around. I wonder which ones stick?
 
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bigmanc

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"Go put your life on the line, when you get home and have injuries/issues, we will tell you how much your not worth" sound about rite?
 

WHATFG

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Julian Fantino....wasn't he a cop or something? ....without a cap uptake is expected to increase....hahahahaha...could it be because marijuana makes people feel better? No, that makes sense.
 

bigmanc

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Julian Fantino....wasn't he a cop or something? ....without a cap uptake is expected to increase....hahahahaha...could it be because marijuana makes people feel better? No, that makes sense.
Please dont use basic common sence while discussing HC or medical marijuana, it just throws the whole thing off for the government, they dont understand.
 

CalyxCrusher

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Fantino could give a fuck about veterans. Remember when he showed up late to meet with the WW2 veterans it was I believe, and then when asked about being late he was a dick about it. Put all this together and it shows how little if any Fantino cares about veterans or other human beings who risk their lives for the safety of others.

If the numbers keep going up, then maybe look at the correlation between the rise in veteran users and it's efficacy for treatment of PTSD instead they look at it as an increase in vetran users and slam the brakes on.
 

particle

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Hey, if IEDs don't do the trick, surely more than 9% THC will. Now shut up and eat the freedom that you fought for.

No sense speaking of it in terms of them actually giving a fuck, or you've lost already. "Bu....but it's better for PTSD". For them, perhaps, and that's irrelevant. Beyond the value of their continued worth to pharmaceutical companies, they don't fucking matter to the economy, which consists of the value of their worth to pharmaceutical companies.

It could be said that the same is true for pot companies, like that cannimed weed they've been subjected to. Or the ones that charge a hundred dollars a gram for "honey oil", or a thousand dollars for the hot downstem to use it with.
 

CathySK

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That's a pity, but I see their point. 5 grams a day for free is not bad, how do these PTSD veterans typically take their medicine? If some veterans really, truly need over 5 grams a day they should be able to appeal this with the help of their doctors to get their additional expenses covered.
 

CalyxCrusher

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I think the main issue is their cookie cutter approach to veterans daily doses. Assuming everyone can "make due" with 5g/day or less is the problem. If they included an extra area on the form perhaps, something along the lines of : If patient requires more than 5g/day please state reasons as to why in the following box and state the g/day needed.

Even patients who suffer from the same ailments may not experience the same levels of pain or relief of that pain in the same way. And there in lies the complexity behind not only finding the right dosages, but also the right strains which work for their ailments.
 

GroErr

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Makes me feel ashamed to be Canadian, these agencies need a huge wake up call, like a complete turn-over of all management with people who give a shit about our vets and others fighting the various illnesses that can be effectively treated with cannabis products. They're quite happy to prescribe/provide "legal" drugs like oxy's yet oppose or fight something that can manage many illnesses well, without the side effects or addiction that comes with them, unbelievable...
 

Jackal69

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For one, Veterans Affairs are suppose to take care of everything that your injury during service requires. They may "try" to limit something that the Veteran requires (ie like extra physio appts that I required every year which they made special extras after I proved that I needed them). Otherwise they open themselves up to court.
I can see them "recommend a dosage" but can't see them limiting anything if the Vet needs it.

That's just the way it is.
 

Kev042

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Fantino is a bad joke that Harper stuck us veterans with to try and beat us into accepting handouts while removing benefits. I am a veteran who is a MMPR patient because of chronic pain due to injures received overseas . My prescription is for 8 grams a day some of the strains that I require cost $15.00 a gram. If Fantino thinks that he will be limiting the amount for meds that I need and the $ amount he can think again for I will fight VAC the same as I have had to since the NeoCons came to power. As for the statement " their files sent to a review board to see if medical marijuana usage could be brought “to a safer level.” this review board is most likely made up of accountants (bean counters) so they can balance the books on the backs of those who have served this great country. This is the same government that is fighting in court saying they have No sacred obligation to the veterans. Ps. Fantino Oct 2015 is coming soon don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on your way out.
 
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