MichiganMedGrower
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They use trimming machines many of the cash croppers and it shaves the buds bald and round. Then they sell the extract product and the stripped weed.
Going from HPS to LED. Worth it?
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Bad Karma
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Those are exactly the kind of grower that will go out of business because of legalization. Good fucking riddance, too.
MichiganMedGrower
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Unfortunately in Michigan I fear it will be the norm with our new dispensary laws. seed to sale tracking is the software and armored transport is the only way it is allowed to travel now. Creative way to put the big money in charge of our medicine.
Bad Karma
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That sucks for you guys out in the dirty mitten. Here in Cali, similar laws are going into place, but Prop 64 seems to be more good than bad so far. There are a lot of big growers crying about the fees for proper licensing and how it prices them out of the game. They're the same assholes who've kiefed their buds in order to double dip on sales all of these years. I absolutely detest people who do this and it is in part why I started growing my own. They ripped people off, and now it's time to pay up in order to stay in the game, poor babies.
Just to make this post relevant to the topic of the thread. HPS will yield more but LED gives you better quality. LEC/CMH is the best of both worlds. I've grown with all three and prefer LEC, and LED, to HPS.
ttystikk
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Nice tip! Of course, my LED grown product is already rock hard...
And if you can't beat HPS yields with modern COB LED or Quantum Boards, the problem isn't the light- it's the moron in the mirror lol
Gary Goodson
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Budley Doright
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Two 112g packages, same strain from clone, one hand trimmed (mine) the other machine trimmed. The machine trimmed was returned as "bunk and not the same", the proofs in the pudding as they say lol.
Odin*
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*Ahem* What?!
I think the real issue is those that think CFL/LED are somehow able to match/beat HPS yield, despite the fact that they cannot come anywhere near the "footprint"/depth/intensity. On top of that, if you can't get HPS to completely devastate CFL/LED "quality", then it isn't the light, it's the delusional reflected in the mirror.
Seriously though, I have not seen a grow/pic that would sway that opinion, not even in the slightest.
Odin*
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Had a trimmer that did the Cali "butcher" trim. Kept it separate as the final "deciding factor" (close friend), nearly rejected, ass fired.
Odin*
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"Big Growers" aren't complaining about the money (they're "big growers", right?), they're freaking out about the testing. No pesticides/fungicides, no paclo, this fucks them in the b, big time. Testing, low pro/undercover, has already begun. Pre-ICO shops already getting hit (seriously). I do not know one single person/organization that grows on the scale that I do that does not use everything that is being banned. Shit, I don't know a single home grower that doesn't. My phone has been "ringing off of the hook" due to those seeking advice (everyone I know has heard my opinion on pesticides/fungicides/PGR's). I haven't offered a lifeline (because they were fine with "poisoning" consumers for all these years). I feel as though I've been placed in a very unique position.
ttystikk
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I don't use banned pesticides, nutes or PGRs."Big Growers" aren't complaining about the money (they're "big growers", right?), they're freaking out about the testing. No pesticides/fungicides, no paclo, this fucks them in the b, big time. Testing, low pro/undercover, has already begun. Pre-ICO shops already getting hit (seriously). I do not know one single person/organization that grows on the scale that I do that does not use everything that is being banned. Shit, I don't know a single home grower that doesn't. My phone has been "ringing off of the hook" due to those seeking advice (everyone I know has heard my opinion on pesticides/fungicides/PGR's). I haven't offered a lifeline (because they were fine with "poisoning" consumers for all these years). I feel as though I've been placed in a very unique position.
My numbers may not be quite as sexy as those who do, but I sleep well at night knowing that no one will get sick from my produce.
MichiganMedGrower
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I have never needed or used a pesticide in my first room or my new house. I am a small home grower."Big Growers" aren't complaining about the money (they're "big growers", right?), they're freaking out about the testing. No pesticides/fungicides, no paclo, this fucks them in the b, big time. Testing, low pro/undercover, has already begun. Pre-ICO shops already getting hit (seriously). I do not know one single person/organization that grows on the scale that I do that does not use everything that is being banned. Shit, I don't know a single home grower that doesn't. My phone has been "ringing off of the hook" due to those seeking advice (everyone I know has heard my opinion on pesticides/fungicides/PGR's). I haven't offered a lifeline (because they were fine with "poisoning" consumers for all these years). I feel as though I've been placed in a very unique position.
Prevention and environment are key. And I am not in this for greed.
Odin*
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@ttystikk @MichiganMedGrower Then your mind/soul/heart/grow are already in the right place.
Oddly enough, I believe paclo hinders yield. It is counterproductive to oil production, any increase is in plant mass. For those using moderate "paclo", their yields are less than those with proper resin production. The only times they see excessive increases in yield are with increased paclo use, which produces bloated buds severely lacking nose/resin/smoke appeal. Paclo buds are big turds wrapped in lawn trimmings.
I'm not saying that there aren't people across the states with ethics/morals, but as far as commercial/large are concerned, I don't know anybody that grows for the sake of the plant, less yours truly. Already had a "buddy shop" ask if I was ok with them testing. I've told them for years that I'm "clean", it was more about calling my bluff, than getting permission. My plants aren't exposed to anything that I would not expose my children to, and they eat "organic". Clean grow, clean smoke, clean conscious. Cheers, brothers.
Oddly enough, I believe paclo hinders yield. It is counterproductive to oil production, any increase is in plant mass. For those using moderate "paclo", their yields are less than those with proper resin production. The only times they see excessive increases in yield are with increased paclo use, which produces bloated buds severely lacking nose/resin/smoke appeal. Paclo buds are big turds wrapped in lawn trimmings.
I'm not saying that there aren't people across the states with ethics/morals, but as far as commercial/large are concerned, I don't know anybody that grows for the sake of the plant, less yours truly. Already had a "buddy shop" ask if I was ok with them testing. I've told them for years that I'm "clean", it was more about calling my bluff, than getting permission. My plants aren't exposed to anything that I would not expose my children to, and they eat "organic". Clean grow, clean smoke, clean conscious. Cheers, brothers.
Pseudogrowx
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I'm looking to upgrade from my LEC 315s and have been checking out a few lights. Which light is better; the
Amare SolarECLIPSE SE 450, the GrowthStar Scorpion 9x 550 watt COB LED, or the 3K-R 630W Double Ended CMH/LEC with a GC 1000W ballast?
Amare SolarECLIPSE SE 450, the GrowthStar Scorpion 9x 550 watt COB LED, or the 3K-R 630W Double Ended CMH/LEC with a GC 1000W ballast?
MichiganMedGrower
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Your experience and plants and information speak volumes over mine.I have only grown myself for 3 years and I will run a small self supported home medical grow for the rest of my life and I will keep it natural as possible and I have no need for any commercial product. Although I would have no problem trying yours from what I have seen and read. I hold a card and if the stupid regulations screw me further I will likely just forever do what I am doing quietly out here anyway.
My girlfriend has a confirmed 40% reduction of her internal cysts. And a good old friend of mine has reported he can use his supposedly untreatable nerve damaged arm while on our coconut oil or even just smoking flowers from my garden. He also gets relief from his tinnitus.
That said...
The genetics responsible are from CH9. And he is quite commercial but under the radar but always follows clean practice like we are talking about.
I have grown up with indoor and outdoor growers in south Jersey. And in Colorado before the legal move I knew the hidden mountain growers there.
They had huge indoor grows in the big $3m houses in the outlying mountain areas.
None of the growers I have known ever used paclo or the like. Or even General hydroponics or hydro store anything. It was all black market of course. And if they sprayed chemicals for pests or prevention they always stopped before bud production.
In fact they really stressed this fact with me and warned of lesser weed like the "brick" weed.
Just wanted to share because I feel there may be many old safe conciencious growers out there still. And I don't think all of them would poison people.
Just felt I had to share.
MichiganMedGrower
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Hey this is on topic. Not like us babbling old fools
I'm sorry I can't help. I only just went to cmh. But I thought I would bump the question fer ya since I babbled after it. Lol
boilingoil
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The whole reason I started to grow back in the 70's and 80's was because of the unknown chemicals that were used and the paraquat spraying our government was spraying.
I don't even foliar spray my plants, never found a need to with a good balanced diet.
MichiganMedGrower
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I have the opposite story. I'm not quite as old but I got amazing weed from the early 80's through most of the 2000's. But when I moved away from Colorado in 2009 the weed I could find sucked in Florida and Jersey and when I landed in Michigan the street and caregiver weed available and then the dispensary weed was useless to me. So I finally started growing myself after all these years with friends in the industry.
I never sprayed my plants with nutes either. I see no need to make a mess inside.
Kudos to you sir for growing all these years in risk! It has always been worth it if you ask me.
ttystikk
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Well this post takes on new meaning these days...