giving defoliation during flower a try

"It's a shortcut. If it was easy, it would just be the way." - Roadtrip Love that quote because it expresses pretty clearly that if something has been proven to work time and time again - or not, then it will eventually become common knowledge that has very little opposition. Good luck.

AllenHaze said:

"It's a shortcut. If it was easy, it would just be the way." - Roadtrip Love that quote because it expresses pretty clearly that if something has been proven to work time and time again - or not, then it will eventually become common knowledge that has very little opposition. Good luck.

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so hydro vs soil ?

if hydro which system

DWC, Aeroponic Growing System, Drip Growing Systems, Ebb and Flow, N.F.T, ect

and then how do you train the plants, topping, lst, super cropping, defoliation, lollipopping, monster cropping ect

but then what the best light led's, cfl, mh, hps ect

"It's a shortcut. If it was easy, it would just be the way." what are you talking about lol

there not set way to grow weed

if we did it natures way we would all be planting seeds in dirt and letting them grow naturally without training and whatever nutrients are in the soil. obviously that is a half assed noobie way to grow weed.

I find dumb little slogans are usually just word salad that doesnt apply to real life if you think about it for a sec.

Hydroburn said:

I find dumb little slogans are usually just word salad that doesnt apply to real life if you think about it for a sec. I lie to water with diarrhea.

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I find that when people offer critique to an unbiased statement they come across unstable. There are many people on this site who fail to offer even a hint of logical information. They offer insults but then again that is child's play. They offer fragmented pieces of literature taken out of context to support some blind ideology. I wouldn't go anywhere near diarrhea btw. Not sure where you heard that last bit. Take care.

jacksthc said:

so hydro vs soil ?

if hydro which system

DWC, Aeroponic Growing System, Drip Growing Systems, Ebb and Flow, N.F.T, ect

and then how do you train the plants, topping, lst, super cropping, defoliation, lollipopping, monster cropping ect

but then what the best light led's, cfl, mh, hps ect

"It's a shortcut. If it was easy, it would just be the way." what are you talking about lol

there not set way to grow weed

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There are many foundations of botany that have been firmly established. That is what I'm talking about. Keep studying because i know you can get it. Good luck man.

Btw, don't listen to all the pm you get guys.

that made no sense.

Hydroburn said:

that made no sense.

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To those who are offered bonafide knowledge but have not the capacity to think.

I do get what your saying allenhaza and would agrea that if you defoliation every fan leaf in 2-3 week of flower its not good imo

but for a long time removed a few
fan leaves In veg and flower to control canopy shape and increases airflow and light getting to the fan leaves, to reduce the amout of strech shoots, only want strong heathy shoots

Do you still think this is a wrong way to train my plants ?

jacksthc said:

I do get what your saying allenhaza.....

Do you still think this is a wrong way to train my plants ?

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He offered a piece of wisdom - "There are many foundations of botany that have been firmly established."

That means, learn what makes a plant tick. Why don't you remove buds instead of leaves? Buds don't produce, they only take.

Uncle Ben said:

He offered a piece of wisdom - "There are many foundations of botany that have been firmly established."

That means, learn what makes a plant tick. Why don't you remove buds instead of leaves? Buds don't produce, they only take.

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couple of weeks back you said about keeping the plant healthy and thinking about it you was right, needed to spend more time making sure the environment was right for my plants ( got lazy and didn't put 100% effort into growing my plants) but over the years I have learnt that canopy shape, light be able to penetrate deep in the canopy and a good air flow is a must to get the best harvest from any crop and in veg topping, lst, defoliation and many other ways of training plants can give you good results, if you do it right, I just think of it as a different tool that gives me a different result and with all tools you need to know how to use them

so If run out of space or need to slow the plant down I defoliation to give the plants better airflow and so the light can penetrate the canopy gives me better bud growth/shape

if I plants too tall, healthy and green and I need to fill space quick I super crop

no veg room for a few weeks I take a few cutting 3-4 weeks in flower mostercropping and veg for 3-4 weeks and flower, they grow really bushy but not the best shape and canopy can be too thick so there lot of airy buds but the yield good

just saying I train the plants to get the results I need just like using the right tool at work

jacksthc said:

light be able to penetrate deep in the canopy and a good air flow is a must to get the best harvest from any crop

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Do some research! R and FR light does get down into the canopy and it's the phytochrome thereof that drives the flowering response.

90% of RIU members fit into my red sig line to a T. I have always crammed plants into my indoor gardens and the yields have been up to 10 oz. of dried bud per plant.

UB

total agree with you, light is needed on all parts of the plant to get a flowering response
shoots need a good amount of light or they can stretch often resulting in airy buds below the top 12" of the canopy, less if the canopy is really dense

that's why a lot of growers lollipop there plants, is that one foundations of botany that have been firmly established ?
or are you so much against defoliation that even lollipop a plant is wrong ?

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total agree with you, light is needed on all parts of the plant to get a flowering response
shoots need a good amount of light or they can stretch often resulting in airy buds below the top 12" of the canopy, less if the canopy is really dense

that's why a lot of growers lollipop there plants, is that one foundations of botany that have been firmly established ?
or are you so much against defoliation that even lollipop a plant is wrong ?

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listening to indoor advice from UB is like taking health advice from a veterinarian.

The voice of inexperience strikes again:

jacksthc said:

total agree with you, light is needed on all parts of the plant to get a flowering response

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Not in the context that is used by RIU noobs.

Tell that to an apple, peach, pear, grape, olive, avocado, etc. grower. You'll get laughed right out of their orchard. I just sold 1,300 lbs. of grapes out of my vineyard. I know what makes a plant tick.

Learn some botany and wean yourself off the bro science, or should say the "dro" science.

Lollipops are for kids.

UB

Uncle Ben,

Please allow me to point out that there was a pearl of wisdom you may have missed in Jacksthc's post. "so If run out of space or need to slow the plant down I defoliation".

It may be starting to sink in.

Cool story how a leaf works with light. You weed barons should
Take an hour or two study and become knowledgeable. What I found most fascinating was the amount of light a leaf lets pass through and how much it reflects. 'Shade' is what the human eye sees.

CaretakerDad said:

Uncle Ben,

Please allow me to point out that there was a pearl of wisdom you may have missed in Jacksthc's post. "so If run out of space or need to slow the plant down I defoliation".

It may be starting to sink in.

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I hear ya but if you lollipop because you need space or more air flow, that's bullshit. If you need to slow a plant down......? Both don't make any sense to me. Why would any one intentionally stunt a plant?

CaretakerDad said:

Uncle Ben,

Please allow me to point out that there was a pearl of wisdom you may have missed in Jacksthc's post. "so If run out of space or need to slow the plant down I defoliation".

It may be starting to sink in.

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This is the point I have always tried to put across, maybe worded it in the wrong way
I use defoliation on the strongest shoots to stunt there growth as it gives the smaller shoots time to catch up, resulting in an even canopy
and if the canopy is really thick I remove a few fan leaves to increase airflow

never used defoliation in flower as a way to increase yield by removing all the fan leaves, just don't believe it works like that, the plant needs lots of fan leaves in flower.

Uncle Ben said:

The voice of inexperience strikes again:



Not in the context that is used by RIU noobs.

Tell that to an apple, peach, pear, grape, olive, avocado, etc. grower. You'll get laughed right out of their orchard. I just sold 1,300 lbs. of grapes out of my vineyard. I know what makes a plant tick.

Learn some botany and wean yourself off the bro science, or should say the "dro" science.

Lollipops are for kids.

UB

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I was thinking the rules for growing weed indoors and outside are very different and I grow weed indoors under a 600w hps

is this light chart wrong ?

from the hood to the lowest part of the canopy is 29" where there should be enough light and below that tends to be where the airy buds grow

so take 12" away ( hood to the canopy) and your left with 17" even less if the canopy thick and your using air cooled hood

the pic on the right shows the canopy is thin and lights getting down the sides of the shoot and it looks amazing



anyone tried growing apple, peach, pear, grape, olive, avocado, under a 600w hps, is that even possible ?

don't you prune your apple and pear trees in the winter ?

Yes, the chart is wrong. I've posted readings of HPS many times.

The rules of botany do not change indoors or out.

Fruit trees under lights? Yeppers. I post to a tropical fruit growing forum in which a lady from Iceland is growing and fruiting tropical fruits under HID's, indoors. The fruits are very exotic, not what you'd find in a grocery store. Here's an excellent journal on indoor pineapple growing. http://pineapple.myindoorgreenspot.com/inpine.htm Keep in mind that pineapples are grown commercially in countries close to the equator.

Airy buds are not caused by a lack of light. READ the other defoliation threads!

The reasons apple/pear/peach growers and vineyard managers prune/train are not related to cannabis in any form at all. Do you even understand the difference between an annual and a perennial?

UB

Ok say the charts wrong, I don't know, just gone on the advice available on the net about light distance, you first grower to tell me the carts wrong

Ok the rules about botany is the same indoors and out but the way you grow plants can't be the same, indoors your very limited on space, light and airflow but you have got control over the environment, so you need everthing spot on to pull a small yeild

outside you don't have a limit to how big the plant grows and don't need to worry about the enviroment as its out you contol

You can only grow one crop a year but havest kg's vs a lb under light

security risk is very high with an out door grow, indoors you just keep your mouth shut and there no risk

Very impressed with pinapple grow and finding out you grow a lot of diffent fruit under light


so airy buds not caused by lack of light, ok will read up on this but why does all the best bud grow at the top of the canopy

never see any plant grown indoors with good bud growth more than 12" from the top of canopy anyless its a vertcal grow

Prune any plants is a way to cut back week growth so the plant will be stronger and produce more fruit

don't see how this is any diffent from topping a canbis plant