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GH vs Cyco

Discussion in 'Hydroponics / Aeroponics' started by nxsov180db, May 17, 2017.

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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    yup
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    he want us to believe that his formula is better than ALL the others because his is different in some special way

    the laws regarding proprietary brands need to be updated, the industry like to hide behind the laws and use it to make false claims

    if he don't want to list the % amounts and call it proprietary whatever
    but theres no reason the law should allow them to leave shit off the "derived from" list

    after all its no secret what elements are considered essential to plants

    its been published since the 20s
     
    Last edited: May 29, 2017
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    ideally

    someone should create a powder pouch A&B

    that includes all the elements and preservatives in 2 parts and can be added to 1 gallon of water/constituted at home after purchase at a fair price

    this would eliminate the expense of shipping heavy bottles of liquid
     
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    jarvild

    jarvild Well-Known Member

    So have you tried the cyco or did you get talked out of it?
     
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    rkymtnman

    rkymtnman Well-Known Member

    i'd be curious to see what you think of mbferts.com they do exactly that: you can buy liquid or powder but the powders are much cheaper with the cheaper shipping. i ordered some lights from them and their vitamin and hormone booster but no nutes.

    they have a veg and a bloom mix: i havent' looked at ratios to see how they would work for cannabis.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    its funny i said that and then realized that's basically what maxibloom and maxigrow is also lol

    so ya its being done oops lol

    i will take a peak
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    if you can get a few people whom have used only the base nutes without issue i would go ahead and use it if you've already purchased it

    i seen a couple other guys using it and they didn't seem to have any issue

    i just don't knowingly buy stuff that leaves stuff off the label

    but that my baggage not yours
     
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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    I haven't tried it but I have the base nute lineup that I'll start using once I'm all out of GH. I was thinking about adding 10ml of each part seperatly to a gallon of distilled water and having it tested to see what micros and at what percentage they have, then sending that douche an email back with the numbers and to fuck off.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    LMAO
     
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    jarvild

    jarvild Well-Known Member

    Yes , it would be nice to actually know what the ratios are as far as micros'.
     
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    jarvild

    jarvild Well-Known Member

    And I LMAO all the way to the bank as I spend less than $120 on my nutes' for a whole year and produce an income of $60,000+ a year from less than 2,000 watts of HID's.
    We can all hate on the nutrient companies for not listing all the elements their lines carry in them. All I'm stating is that I've used the Cyco bases for 3 years now and they work well in my garden. I'm giving you real world information as I actually use them.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    jarvild

    do you work for the brand or something?
    or
    is your intent is primarily to save cost?

    because your starting to sound like your a sales rep...

    im glad your nutes are working and your happy and I wish you 100% success

    I say this cuz you continuously defend brands/companies whom have shady practices

    not listing the ingredient or the % on the labels is just fucking shady...no ifs ands or buts
     
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    rkymtnman

    rkymtnman Well-Known Member

    my thoughts exactly.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    https://hydroponic-research.com/collections/all

    I haven't spent any time on the web site looking over everything

    but I did run the numbers on the base fertilizer and compared it to the derived from ingredient and the % amounts

    looking at just the hydro base and the bloom product

    this stuff looks to be dirt cheap and the ratios of elements are perfect and your not paying for shipping heavy bottle of water

    for veg you just mix
    per gallon
    5grams base
    1 gram Epsom

    for bloom 2:1:3 npk
    per gallon
    4grams base
    2 grams bloom booster
    1 grams Epsom

    for late bloom if you want to boost P and leach N
    for late bloom 1:1:2 npk
    per gallon
    3grams base
    3grams bloom booster
    1 grams Epsom

    they list every thing and the ratios are perfect
    I love the hi % Fe which keeps them nice and dark green

    even the directions are good
     
    Last edited: Jun 7, 2017
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    and if that don't look cheap enough you can save even more if you get

    50lbs of 5-11-26 hydro mix and 50lbs calcium nitrate and Epsom salt

    that's it

    from this place
    https://customhydronutrients.com/

    and youll have enough quality hydro fertilizer to last your life time

    all that's required is a $50 digital scale
     
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    jarvild

    jarvild Well-Known Member

    I support no nutrient companies to tell you the truth. All I'm saying is that I've used the Cyco bases with good results, As the original poster asked! He has the nutrient line bought already, so I have no trouble letting him figure out himself whether it will work for him.
    Did you see me tout Cyco as the best damn thing out there? Did you hear me say that you have to run it the way they prescribe for you to use it?
    Then again you tout a dry mix, when the subject is GH vs Cyco.
    All I offered is real world advice on the use of the Cyco bases, because I actually use them. Not some speculation by someone that's never tried them.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    "jarvild, post: 13581643, member: 227894"]I support no nutrient companies to tell you the truth. All I'm saying is that I've used the Cyco bases with good results,
    I didn't say you couldn't get good results with it, didn't say that at all, what I said is because they leave shit off the label I don't know whats in it and that is a pour/shady business practice because consumers are untrusting and for good reason

    Did you see me tout Cyco as the best damn thing out there?
    well ya kinda

    Did you hear me say that you have to run it the way they prescribe for you to use it?
    why would you say that?
    Then again you tout a dry mix, when the subject is GH vs Cyco.
    that was in reference to your want to save money, I think the point your missing is if GH left shit off the label id be saying the same thing about them.
    it would seem for you the topic is "my product is better than yours because it works well for me"

    All I offered is real world advice on the use of the Cyco bases, because I actually use them. Not some speculation by someone that's never tried them.
    speaking of speculation your using a product and don't know or cant verify whats in it or speculating that its all there!
    sorry but my observations are not based on speculation they are based on facts...they admit themselves to have left things off the label intentionally... this is not to protect there "brand" its to confuse the consumer with the intention to build a "brand"..


    so when the topic is GH vs cyco and the GH "BRAND" lists everything on the bottle and the cyco doesn't, GH wins despite the difference in cost\
    and by the way I don't use either of them



    im glad your having success with the product and wish you continued success
    but there are better products available that are cheaper and that list whats in them which makes them more trustworthy which is still part of the debate regardless of the title of the thread
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    how would you feel if you found out the cyco product contained chemical plant growth regulators in them and that's why your so thrilled with the results?

    im not saying this is true, im not saying they have any plant growth regulators in them, but

    we have learned is that brands from the past, (that have hidden behind "propitiatory" bull shit laws) are known for doing just that

    again im not saying they've done this, but what I am saying is that its an old outdated business practice that will bite them in the ass in the long run
     
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    jarvild

    jarvild Well-Known Member

     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    :peace: to us both

    let pass the peace pipebongsmilie
     
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