GG Bastard Series - Colombian Gold

ayr0n said:

Ouch - your lights fell on em?? One of my worst fears is a bulb exploding in the tent when I'm not home - when I first started growing those autos I didn't think about it, and was foliar feeding without damaging the bulb being a concern in my head...read a couple horror stories of that leading to little holes / fractures n the bulbs n causing them to blowup lol. Idk how common that is but how shitty would it be to find a shredded tent n a fucked up photo period sitting at home after work :/

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Not lights, (although I had one dangling when a clip gave way) had a fan that wasn't secured to the wall properly, it's like 10"W x 24"L, came loose (my bad for not clamping it down properly) and boom, on top of a Blueberry like 6 weeks into veg. Fortunately, it cracked the main stem but not right through and the sucker recovered with some tape and support.

I've seen reports of the odd bulb doing that, I like the Elite Agro T12's for that, they're protected by a second layer (like a bulb within a bulb) and if they go it's unlikely that outer layer would crack (now if you were stoned/gapping and hit it, that's another story!). The unprotected single-layer bulbs do scare me for that reason.

ayr0n said:

Oh I forgot to mention, the Critical Sensi Star hasn't been trained at all - I was curious to see what the outcome would be of completely leaving it alone n letting it form it's natural structure. Up until now I haven't ran a plant that I didn't fuck around with at least a little, lst, topping etc...It's pretty clear already that not doing any training is fairly inefficient as far as your space and getting the most out of your light - Guess that's just common sense, but I at least wanted to see what they did without human intervention.

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I just did the same thing with the 4x Harlequin's in the small tent, first plant I haven't touched other than a single FIM on the main top. Not a bad way to do initial pheno hunts to see the best starting plant structure imo. It helped me select the best 2 for keepers. I trained the clones from those 2 and they're completely different "balls", my favourite shape to take them into flowering. Training is well worth it for sure, even just FIM/Top and LST can completely change the outcome/yield.

GroErr said:

Not lights, (although I had one dangling when a clip gave way) had a fan that wasn't secured to the wall properly, it's like 10"W x 24"L, came loose (my bad for not clamping it down properly) and boom, on top of a Blueberry like 6 weeks into veg. Fortunately, it cracked the main stem but not right through and the sucker recovered with some tape and support.

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Oh man that would freak me out. I know some growers like to damage the stems intentionally to get them to bulk up or whatever, but I play it safe n let the oscillating fans slowly thicken the stems up lol. Do you think doing the crushing method is worth the time it takes for them to recover?

It's kinda crazy to think if these were Berry Ryder autos they'd have full colas and almost be ready to harvest right now... >.< Hoping the longer veg time on these photos pays off. Thinking I waited too long for the flip this time around

ayr0n said:

Oh man that would freak me out. I know some growers like to damage the stems intentionally to get them to bulk up or whatever, but I play it safe n let the oscillating fans slowly thicken the stems up lol. Do you think doing the crushing method is worth the time it takes for them to recover?

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Oh yeah, intentionally super-cropping them yields more and imo, worth the recovery time, it only takes about a week before they build a knot and start shooting out additional colas just below the break/crushing point. They seem to continue on growth elsewhere, not like it stops them. I probably gained an average of 3-4 colas per plant in this current round super-cropping. From playing around with different methods, imo, if you have a flexible stem/plant, there's no need to even do a full crush/break, if you can bend it at 90 degrees and keep it there, that's enough to generate new growth below the bend.

I'm anticipating anywhere from 10-14 week flowering period (Read 70-90 days on Colombian Gold, but also read of a 24 week pheno lool) on these ladies so roughly the end of February. There's no way to know for sure, cuz honestly I don't have a clue what strains the 2 GG's truly are...not even a guess. The mystery will make it more interesting, but it would be nice to have a rough idea lol. Guess I can dial things in and get a better idea after running them a couple times. Thinking I should have went with larger pots . . . Gonna have to do some research about sustaining organic medium for longer durations...maybe @st0wandgrow can help with that? I have a feeling most of the goods will be used up in these pots before harvest time. I have to water almost everyday to keep the ladies happy, so that almost has to be flushing out a good deal of nutrients into the runoff at an unfortunately quick pace...?

There's a bunch of info and good folks hanging out in the organics section. I only do it outdoor now, tried it indoor and found it too messy and attracted too many bugs. That's how I ended up with the medium I use now and feed them as it doesn't last more than a few weeks, then it just becomes a medium and I feed it low doses of nutes (550 ppm is where I settled), feeding every other watering other than week 3-7 in flowering where I bump it to feed-feed-water. The results are great, no nute taste or smell, nice dense nugs.

ayr0n said:

Thinking I should have went with larger pots . . . Gonna have to do some research about sustaining organic medium for longer durations...maybe @st0wandgrow can help with that? I have a feeling most of the goods will be used up in these pots before harvest time. I have to water almost everyday to keep the ladies happy, so that almost has to be flushing out a good deal of nutrients into the runoff at an unfortunately quick pace...?

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Hey man, I'm in the same boat at the moment, wondering if I should have went with larger pots for the same reason. I know my pots by itself are large enough for the roots, used them before, but they drink so much at the moment that I can barely give them enough for a day without drowning them. I have about half an inch of space left for a topdressing. and if that's not enough I can make a tea and if that's not enough, I got a bottle of liquid organic nutes. That said, an advantage of organic is that most nutrients release more slowly, so I don't think you need to worry about leaching nutes.

Sativied said:

Hey man, I'm in the same boat at the moment, wondering if I should have went with larger pots for the same reason. I know my pots by itself are large enough for the roots, used them before, but they drink so much at the moment that I can barely give them enough for a day without drowning them. I have about half an inch of space left for a topdressing. and if that's not enough I can make a tea and if that's not enough, I got a bottle of liquid organic nutes. That said, an advantage of organic is that most nutrients release more slowly, so I don't think you need to worry about leaching nutes.

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Probably is about time to feed these girls. Prob hit em with a tea and some molasses at some point...how do you feel about transplanting this late n flower? I guess that would be one solution to reduce how frequently they need to be watered.

The medium gg 1 is in doesn't seem to retain moisture very long, which was good early on to keep the roots oxygenated with the constant wet/ dry cycle, but it's drinking too fast now... She's thirsty every morning





Gg3, the CSS, and the SBA are still in good shape. Gg1 got treated pretty roughly...she's the one that was touching the hps nearly, medium keeps drying out and the one tht I tripped with when I was moving it lmao...gonna try to make the remainder of her life a little more accommodating hopefully lol.

ayr0n said:

Probably is about time to feed these girls. Prob hit em with a tea and some molasses at some point...how do you feel about transplanting this late n flower? I guess that would be one solution to reduce how frequently they need to be watered.

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It would probably help even though they won't fill that new space up with roots. Not sure it's the way to go but by itself I have no problem potting up at any point in the cycle as long as I can do so without damaging the root mass. I wouldn't pull the plant out of the soil and transplant it to a new pot, but if it's close to, or entirely root bound and you can pull it out entirely than potting up may be an option worth considering, especially for the long flowering strains. Not sure how well that would work from a cloth pot so just my 2cents as they say.

The cloth pots are effective but do require more frequent watering. I know a 1k watt hp grower with a tent like your new tent who swears by them but does use huge ones.

Something that may help a little too is covering the soil so less water evaps at the top, like in the following pic. Though that's mainly useful early on it may make a small difference.

Sativied said:

It would probably help even though they won't fill that new space up with roots. Not sure it's the way to go but by itself I have no problem potting up at any point in the cycle as long as I can do so without damaging the root mass. I wouldn't pull the plant out of the soil and transplant it to a new pot, but if it's close to, or entirely root bound and you can pull it out entirely than potting up may be an option worth considering, especially for the long flowering strains. Not sure how well that would work from a cloth pot so just my 2cents as they say.

The cloth pots are effective but do require more frequent watering. I know a 1k watt hp grower with a tent like your new tent who swears by them but does use huge ones.

Something that may help a little too is covering the soil so less water evaps at the top, like in the following pic. Though that's mainly useful early on it may make a small difference.
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Your pic gave me an idea...forgot I had folded down the edges of the fabric pot a couple inches, so I unfolded gg1s pot, and added an extra 2 inches of a less aerated soil on top to help retain some moisture. Thanks bro.


Decided to hit them with that tea and get the lst done. Gg1s tops still look kinda hit, but I opened her up with lst and the lower sections are looking good. Lots of bud sites starting to form :

Her lower section looks like an entirely different plant lol. If she was a real chick she'd look better from behind

Here's the new canopy:

It's about as close to even as I could get it without opening them up too wide for the 600w. I think most of the stretch is done so I'm getting a better idea of what the final structure will look like. Really optimistic about this yield based on how these look in comparison to my last grow. It's becoming easier to utilize the space more optimally now that I'm more comfortable with training them / tying em down ...

Well I was gonna let the CSS remain untrained but it seemed like such a waste so I finally tied over it's main cola to expose some of the side branches n give them a chance at apical dominance. That one is realllly stretched out cuz it was buried in the back of the smaller tent for quite a while - Prob won't be the best yielder in the world but that's mostly my fault. I'm sure the potential was there genetically, but the neglect shows for sure. Honestly I forgot all about it for a while - was getting excited about the GG strains and the SBA, and it was hidden from site for a while :X oh well. She'll still throw some decent nugs out n if it's anything like the critical sensi star they sell at the Lansing dispensaries it'll be worth letting it finish lol.

Finally decided on which GG 2 clone would be the stud, so the other one got binned. Here's a recent pic of the cloning tent which I guess is now my veg room..



This hobby is overly addictive - I just can't get enough of it lol...looking forward to throwing another ballast/ fixture in the flowering tent n the future. I'm trying to take it slow n not expand TOO fast cuz I'm already a little outside my comfort zone as far as what I can handle lol. It's definitely a little more challenging to have multiple strains going in the same tent - definitely doable but I think it requires a little extra attention / care to keep everyone happy

ayr0n said:

This hobby is overly addictive - I just can't get enough of it lol...

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Yeah those who claim cannabis isn't addictive just haven't grown it yet I have to keep myself from removing my closets and just turn the whole room into a single grow space every cycle.

That pic is from a grower called Krasi, organic grower, uses a lot of typical forum methods including low N flower nutes but apart from that might be interesting to see what someone else (a commercial grower) does with that new tent you got. He uses a single 1k gavita. One of the best croppers, thread's in dutch, but check out the pics on this page and a few of the next: http://www.wietforum.nl/topic/102767-killergenetica-in-de-nazomer/page__st__200

I know this is supposed to be a journal about the gg Colombian gold bastards, but that sba is looking Damn good. Sugar leaves are getting frosty n its throwing out fat pistol clusters everywhere. Can't wait to try that Shit out... GG3 is frosting up too but a little slower on the bud development. Still have high expectations for that one . Ima drop some better pics here n a few

My name is GroErr, and I'm a growaholic. I think most members here would fall into that category

I'd meant to ask you about the phantom Columbian Gold in your thread title, did you ever pop any of those?

Here's the Sweeeet Black Angel



IDK why I'm having such a hard time getting decent pictures of this grow...All my bud sites just look like blotches of white in the pics lol :X can't see any detail. Fucking HPS lights -.-

GG Colombian Gold #3:


And GG Colombian Gold #1:

Last but not least (well kinda..lol) the neglected Critical Sensi Star:

Sativied said:

Yeah those who claim cannabis isn't addictive just haven't grown it yet I have to keep myself from removing my closets and just turn the whole room into a single grow space every cycle.

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Lol for sure. I've been becoming a lot more interested in growing than smoking lately...Who would of thought enjoying a euphoric feeling would lead to researching and learning about botany lmao...?

Sativied said:

That pic is from a grower called Krasi, organic grower, uses a lot of typical forum methods including low N flower nutes but apart from that might be interesting to see what someone else (a commercial grower) does with that new tent you got. He uses a single 1k gavita. One of the best croppers, thread's in dutch, but check out the pics on this page and a few of the next: http://www.wietforum.nl/topic/102767-killergenetica-in-de-nazomer/page__st__200

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Those look really healthy. They've got very tight internodes so far. Never really thought about having reflective material underneath the base of the plants, but thats cool it serves 2 purposes (retain moisture in the medium + throw some light back up).

I was thinkin about running 2 600's in here - you think one 1k would be better? Was also considering just keeping the 1 600 and maybe adding some side lighting. Haven't quite decided yet...

GroErr said:

My name is GroErr, and I'm a growaholic. I think most members here would fall into that category

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Lmao. Yeah there's something intriguing about cannabis. No other subject has really ever made me want to actively seek out more information and understand the process of why it's happening so much...IDK what it is about MJ, but it definitely ain't just me lol.

GroErr said:

I'd meant to ask you about the phantom Columbian Gold in your thread title, did you ever pop any of those?

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Yes sir. N I'm pretty sure there's really gold in them beans Didn't even have to pan very long

ayr0n said:

I was thinkin about running 2 600's in here - you think one 1k would be better? Was also considering just keeping the 1 600 and maybe adding some side lighting. Haven't quite decided yet

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That 1k gavita can be boosted to 1150w and is on 1kW already quite a bit better than other brands but still, I'd go for 2x600w instead of 1x1k. If I remember correctly he used 1 that round because two got too hot in the summer. 2x600watt fits that tent very nicely because you can utilize the overlap and can do so with cheap basic reflector hoods. With 1 bulb the spread just isn't going to be as good as with 2. In practice, it doesn't matter a whole lot though, that 1k gavita provides better penetration allowing for longer colas.

A 600 watt with some supplemental leds is an interesting option if anything for educational purposes, but I think I would then prefer one side hps and the other LED (or MH, CFL, or T5 or whatever you had in mind). Else you end up with a field that is partly lit by led and by hps but hard to tell how much of each on a given area/plant.

Long story short, I'd go for 2x600w. If I really wanted to max out the space, I'd go for two x 750w gavita, or 600w +boast. 660 or 750 works better on 4x4 than 600. 600 is best for 3x4' or 1sqm or 40x40". I use it on 48x48", like half your tent, but I don't pull a gram more than I did on 3x4.

ayr0n said:

GG Colombian Gold #3:
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And GG Colombian Gold #1:
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Does that clawing on GG #1 strike any of you as possibly being nitrogen toxicity? I can't quite figure out what the deal is...I thought it was heat stress from being so close to the light previously, but it's still going on. Noticed it on some of the lower fan leaves as well. The odd thing is that the flower production hasn't slowed down at all and overall the plant looks healthy besides the handful of clawed fan leaves...?