Gavita's are they really worth the price ??

at times, doing what you love, GROWING. becomes a curse, i think about giving up what i love simply because of the stress,, i never thought growing legally would have caused more stress than illegally.. i swear with each funeral i attend,,i get closer to quitting this truly painfull journey..

nice one all for contributing i was going to buy gavitas but from every comment im still stuck i currently have 5 600 w hps lights open bulbs running and heat is not a prob temp is dialled in at what i want i have super extraction and my temps are 25 -28 so im not in need of help cooling my setup i was just hoping that my new lights could or would run a bit cooler so i dont have to have air conditioner and extraction working so hard what ballasts and bulbs do u all have and whats your results gram per wat bassis im stuck in the stone ages thou tbh the old sunmaster ballasts ive always had more than average results or to put it better ive always out performed my expectations so never really thought about changing before also i got like 40-50 of these ballasts i got a couple of digital ballasts that do run cooler than my old type so after my friiends talking about how good gavitas are i decided i should upgrade my lighting

Thc247 said:

nice one all for contributing i was going to buy gavitas but from every comment im still stuck i currently have 5 600 w hps lights open bulbs running and heat is not a prob temp is dialled in at what i want i have super extraction and my temps are 25 -28 so im not in need of help cooling my setup i was just hoping that my new lights could or would run a bit cooler so i dont have to have air conditioner and extraction working so hard what ballasts and bulbs do u all have and whats your results gram per wat bassis im stuck in the stone ages thou tbh the old sunmaster ballasts ive always had more than average results or to put it better ive always out performed my expectations so never really thought about changing before also i got like 40-50 of these ballasts i got a couple of digital ballasts that do run cooler than my old type so after my friiends talking about how good gavitas are i decided i should upgrade my lighting

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If you are pulling a gram per watt and your room and conditions are absolutely perfect...and you have a 10 feet or higher roof.. Than absolutely switching to gavitas will better your yield. If you say no to any of those factors I would work on that instead of your lighting setups .

Thc247 said:

nice one all for contributing i was going to buy gavitas but from every comment im still stuck i currently have 5 600 w hps lights open bulbs running and heat is not a prob temp is dialled in at what i want i have super extraction and my temps are 25 -28 so im not in need of help cooling my setup i was just hoping that my new lights could or would run a bit cooler so i dont have to have air conditioner and extraction working so hard what ballasts and bulbs do u all have and whats your results gram per wat bassis im stuck in the stone ages thou tbh the old sunmaster ballasts ive always had more than average results or to put it better ive always out performed my expectations so never really thought about changing before also i got like 40-50 of these ballasts i got a couple of digital ballasts that do run cooler than my old type so after my friiends talking about how good gavitas are i decided i should upgrade my lighting

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Also gavita has the DE 600/750 ballasts. They run pretty warm but I have. 4 lighter with 2 1k single ended and 2 600/750 de gavitas and the yield looks like it's going to be the same .

18-20 oz off 600 watt i get at moment not always but 15 litre pots 3-4 week veg with net topped i have 4 under each light and get min 4 oz per plant i have 2m height to start as in a tent so gavitas prob not best then if i got 2m before i even add pot and plant il have to work out if thats a gram per watt i get....

Thc247 said:

18-20 oz off 600 watt i get at moment not always but 15 litre pots 3-4 week veg with net topped i have 4 under each light and get min 4 oz per plant i have 2m height to start as in a tent so gavitas prob not best then if i got 2m before i even add pot and plant il have to work out if thats a gram per watt i get....

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Yeah no gavitas with 2m roof. Sounds like your doing well

Thc247 said:

18-20 oz off 600 watt i get at moment not always but 15 litre pots 3-4 week veg with net topped i have 4 under each light and get min 4 oz per plant i have 2m height to start as in a tent so gavitas prob not best then if i got 2m before i even add pot and plant il have to work out if thats a gram per watt i get....

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im telling you, instead of gavitas look into ceramic lamps.. i have the 315 watt cdl from boulderlamp.com, 3 315 watt cdl's at 945 watts will produce better than 2 600 watt hps or way better than a 1k gavita or even a gavita de, less heat, open hoods, and will easily cover a 6ft area.. 2 315 watt cdls at a total of 630 watts easily produce 800 grams, and could get up to 1.000 grams if you know what your doing.... just be sure to veg a little longer as plants dont stretch nearly as much as plants under hps or mh bulbs..pluss 1 bulb lasts 20,000 hours, no bulb changes any more!!! i just did my first run under 2 315 watt ceramic lamps yielded 800 grams thats 1.26gpw had i vegged longer id had easily pulled 1.5-1.75gpw,, i am very happy with them, my next run will be under 3 315 watt ceramic lamps.. please check out my journal, im doing a 3 run comparison with cmh lamps, only diference is the lighting..

https://www.rollitup.org/t/chemist77-315-watt-cdl-grow.880895/page-1

I have 6, 600s hps going right now I'm aiming for 5 pounds. 27 plants in 7 gallon pots. heres a pic of some of the table couldnt fit the hole table in the pic.. thats 31 days into flower. do you think i could hit 5? or do you think 4?

theres about another 5x4 space that isnt in the pic same size buds

MrStickyScissors said:

I have 6, 600s hps going right now I'm aiming for 5 pounds. 27 plants in 7 gallon pots. heres a pic of some of the table couldnt fit the hole table in the pic.. thats 31 days into flower. do you think i could hit 5? or do you think 4?View attachment 3520960

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There is people hitting 1.5 lb per 600watt. So 6 lb is definitely do able with the lights you have.

User " Since 1991" is correct. Prices will continue to fall very hard and fast over the next 5 years. By 2020 Indoor growers in Legal States like Cali and Wash will be out or on very small margins, unless you are a large commercial grow with electrical cost at 3 cents a Kw. Pounds will probably be $1,000 or less but only for the best indoor. I could also see $500 a pound like he suggested but for outdoor. Indoor might take a few more years for that. IMO

As far as DE lights I use Phantom " Made in America" great lights love them. They do yield more WAY more light, also better hard buds, more like the sun. They also do make more heat. A/C cost are crazy high compared to older single HPS. I turn mine down now to 750 to keep things cool. I have been in the grow game since 2005. I have seen prices in Cali get cut in half or more. Back when I started there was no BHO only brick hash. Outdoor was 3k to 4k all day. Top indoor was 4k to 5,00k for the best frosty. Bad crap indoor was easy to sell for 3k all day. No you can not even sell outdoor for more then 1700 and indoor must be perfect. BHO is all over and it is pure and clear. This will only increase. Prices will probably be cut in half again within the next 2 years after legalization in cali. Colorado is already falling very hard and no end in sight yet.

Hobby hydro under $400 grow lights and $500 or $2,000 electric bills will be a thing of the past as will the small home indoor grower. Unless it is in the back yard with a few personal plants. We can all talk about they day when...LOL.....anyway good luck everyone and good growing.

The yield on my Phantom DE 1k HPS is about 2 pounds per 5x5 or 5x6 depending on a few things. with regular lights the best I ever did was 1.75 with a 5x5. So it is at least a 20% increase. But heat seems like double. Must keep room cool and lights no closer then 30 inches. I try for 35 inches with fans.

Aeroknow said:

I'm in Norcal also dude. 34 cents a kwh. Bullshit hah!
See, this is what I did when I replaced all my air-cooled single endeds(still have some):
Each air-cooled light covered a 4'x4' area(trays). 4000 btu of ac per light.
I'm rockin those DE's i keep showing over 4'x6' areas now. 6000 btu of ac per fixture(at 1150 watts)
So, almost 1/3 less lighting, but the same amount of AC as before.
Just about the same power costs(less actually) but more yield

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THIS^^^ is why. I know exactly what yer saying. I use to run 8 1000 watters air cooled AND mini split ac (you still need ac after so many watts no matter what you doing with a fan) and depending on strain i averages 1.5 to 1.75 a lamp. It was tough hitting 2 plus with single ended air cooled and glass. I replaced with 8 Gavita 6/750's...kept room...ac...and dehuey size all the same...I can hit 2 pounds all day per lamp and using 2000 watts less to get there. Like i said...iam squeezing every last bit of this before it gets so cheap it wont be worth it for just about any total indoor grower to start a frikin seed much less flower out a room with electricity. I will prolly start looking at COBs very soon. Its all about efficiency....changing with the times and latest technology. But soon we are all going to be backed into a corner....its inevitable.

Since1991, would you mind elaborating on the room you have set up? I plan on building a room with 6 of the gavita flexs and am curious to see how others are running them but i cant find a whole lot. What size ac do you have for your 8? And are you in a sealed or unsealed room?

I run 8 total.Gavita flex 6/750's .....4 to a side spaced 4.5 feet on centers with an "alley way" down the middle. Corrugated plastic darins into rain gutters.Simple drip manifold from 4 30 gallon trash can reservoirs outside both rooms with 1000.gph pumps. Net trellis (double tier). Mitsubishi mini split ac at i believe 32,000 btu. Sante fe Classic dehuey. Big 10 inch blower with carbon filter for a scrubber. Bottled co2 with ppm sensor. All sealed up. I do have a vent with louvers that only blows in freezing cold winter air in those months hooked to a thermostat. I use that in like late November through mid march. Save bucks by turning off mini split. I thought it ass backwards to use ac in winter when its freezing out. Saves money. I also have a more traditional vemted room witj 4 aircooled 1000 watters bit i do not run this all year. But when i do i like to stagger 4.5 to 5 weeks harveys from each. My veg is a big 7×7 tent with 3 6 bulb t5's. I also have a 3x3 tester tent with a 400 watt and an old.ass American Hydro 3x3 table
I run all clones amd seeds i get off the street in here at least once so i dont fuck up production rooms with bugs...spot mildew...and hermies.

The only way weed prices are going to fall as hard and fast as you crazies seem to think is if America decides to quit pussyfooting around and jump into the deep end of legalizing recreational across the board (Feds change their tune). And that is not happening in the next 5 years, sorry. Just have to get your supply to where the demand is...

Its certainly not going to be sudden. Like overnight. But once it goes full rec legal federally. It already has lowered in price drastically in the last 5 to 10 years or so. I have to do everything i can with indoor to stay super efficient short of ramping up scale. Bottom line is...growers that do this for a living have to make changes and continue to do so. Grow more as cheaply as possible to make the same or less money than a decade ago. This green rush cash cow is nothing like it was back in the eighties or nineties. I have adapted. But soon enough...we are all going to back into a corner where the big players will have huge gree house and ag operations where they can sell pounds for less than 300 bucks. And believe me...it will be quAlity. It has to be. Its inevitable. This whole industry that WE who've been here since the early days created is going bye bye soon. You can bank on that.

Once price drops low if it ever does is when you invest in solar.

adower said:

Once price drops low if it ever does is when you invest in solar.

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Huh? Yeah rite...invest in expensive solar panels to grow weed inddors under energy wasting expensive lamps and controls to mimic outdoors. Why not just skip all the madness (which made sense in the dark days when it all moved indoors to not get caught) and grow in a highly efficient greenhouse with all the fixins? Or well grown organic outside? The whole reason and indoor growing paradigm is changing and slowly fading away in direct proportion to the state of acceptance amd legalization.

a mongo frog said:

Think they were joking.

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No I wasn't. Not even a tiny little bit.