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Cannabil

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There was nothing wrong with my statement. Thats a small part of the equation for trichome and resin production but it is an important part.

Flowers 5 weeks in should have resin regardless. Unless it some bs genetics and bad cuts. Even long growing sativas will be frosty if your providing the proper environment and nutrients. The minute bud production starts the resin glands should be beginning to form and coat the fan leaves by week 5 without a doubt.

I also find that warmer temps also increase bud production and coat the buds to protect from Intense lighting its a natural defense mechanism. So dont keep the temp too low for the first few weeks until the ripening phase. Keep humidity and temp in flowering the same as what got you too that point for the first 5-6 weeks and than drop them.
 

Dr. Who

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Something is wrong. They should be covered in resins and trichomes after 5 weeks regardless of the variety. Potassium silicate is primarily responsible for resins and trichome production. If you look at any of the "resin building" products they are usually higher in K.
1: Never grown pure or landrace sativa's eh? Many sativa's run long, and I mean long......To some 5 weeks is like about 3....Sativa's have smaller trichomes and many times less, then Indica's......To say something is wrong,,,IS wrong! They will develop. It just takes longer sometimes with them...

2: Why are you spouting almost verbatim, A line from an Adv. Nute. add for rhino skin? BTW it's almost any Si (silica) on the market that is derived FROM Potassium Silicate. Potassium Silicate or Si is used primarily by the plant in cellular production, by use in the cell walls. Si strengthens the plant in that way. Si helps regulate the uptake of P - that can be a good thing for high P users (to a minor point)..

Potassium Silicate K2SiO3 is NOT the primary nutrient in the production of Tric's! In fact it plays the most minor of roles compared to all the other types of Potassium available to the plant in tric production.....

You can increase trichome and terp production with K in the form of Phosphates of Potassium (The most used form of K in synthetic nutrients), K2SO4 (Potassium Sulphate) works better for your "stated" purpose and guess why? It contains S and S plays a part alone and combined with Mg to do more for tric's then Potassium Silicate!!!..

At any rate. I could go on and on about the different forms of Potassium used in plant nutrition.....Like Potassium Sulphate works better then KCI, but burns the plant faster and that KCI is salt heavy (Potassium Chloride) etc, etc, etc. I hope you get the point. I don't feel like giving a full on lecture on horticultural chemistry.

So then grasshopper.....you should start reading Hort books and not Nutrient company's propaganda! (Or incomplete on-line info searching)

This is not meant to be an "insult"!!!!
Only information and a proper answer to your request...

Doc
 
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Cannabil

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1: Never grown pure or landrace sativa's eh? Many sativa's run long, and I mean long......To some 5 weeks is like about 3....Sativa's have smaller trichomes and many times less, then Indica's......To say something is wrong,,,IS wrong! They will develop. It just takes longer sometimes with them...

2: Why are you spouting almost verbatim, A line from an Adv. Nute. add for rhino skin? BTW it's almost any Si (silica) on the market that is derived FROM Potassium Silicate. Potassium Silicate or Si is used primarily by the plant in cellular production, by use in the cell walls. Si strengthens the plant in that way. Si helps regulate the uptake of P - that can be a good thing for high P users (to a minor point)..

Potassium Silicate K2SiO3 is NOT the primary nutrient in the production of Tric's! In fact it plays the most minor of roles compared to all the other types of Potassium available to the plant in tric production.....

You can increase trichome and terp production with K in the form of Phosphates of Potassium (The most used form of K in synthetic nutrients), K2SO4 (Potassium Sulphate) works better for your "stated" purpose and guess why? It contains S and S plays a part alone and combined with Mg to do more for tric's then Potassium Silicate!!!..

At any rate. I could go on and on about the different forms of Potassium used in plant nutrition.....Like Potassium Sulphate works better then KCI, but burns the plant faster and that KCI is salt heavy (Potassium Chloride) etc, etc, etc. I hope you get the point. I don't feel like giving a full on lecture on horticultural chemistry.

So then grasshopper.....you should start reading Hort books and not Nutrient company's propaganda! (Or incomplete on-line info searching)

This is not meant to be an "insult"!!!!
Only information and a proper answer to your request...

Doc
Its all good, but you didnt read my whole post i wrote but thats ok. I said potassium silicate was one of the main types of potassium responsible for trich production but that K potassium was what you wanted which drives bud production, resins and trich production. And no im not repeating anything I read offline but thats a good one. And AN isn't only company who uses potassium silicate the beloved Dynagro Protekt is also primarily K silicate as well. Its what you want to feed your plants!

I do have indepth knowledge in horticulture and plant science. I have read alot of books and have a wealth of information from first hand experience as well and (I am always learning new things i never stop reading). But in continuing the discussion silicon derived from silicate sheets is one of the most abundant resources on Earth and is actually only 2nd to O *Oxygen. Plants use silicates to build stem cell walls, form flowers and aid in uptaking other nutrients such as nitrogen which is critical during veg and main flowering periods. Silicates also balance other nutrients and their uptake primarily phosphorus and can limit and reduce uptake of heavy metals into your plants. The reason they use potassium silicate during flowering is too increase flower size, prevent diseases/pests by strengthening the cells and structure internally which also causes a hormonal response that triggers during fungal and pest attacks. Studies recently have actually found that silicon is so abundant in plants they are pushing to make it a macronutrient and can compromise 10% of the dried weight of flowers. The benefits of silicates especially potassium silicates for flower production and quality is very important.

Potassium silicate is also important because it can help stabilize ph that becomes acidic over time, silicon in it natural states need to be suspended in a high ph water so it doesnt break down and become clumpy and bind up. Which is why its always in a separate bottle otherwise it would break down the nutrient formula and suspend the solutions. Think of it as the 3rd part of a 2 part nutrient in that sense.

Although sativas and land races may grow for up to 150 days many of which are not grown indoors in controlled environments. Its simply not economical or reasonable for most growers to dedicate 5 months on a flowering cycle that wont yield anymore than any other 7-8 week varieties. These strains primarily are grown outdoors where they do best and can stretch and grow 20 feet tall. I have never seen anyone running landraces especially indoors and have not heard of many people trying to do this either. Unless you have a very big warehouse type area and alot of patience and money to waste.

Even though there may be individuals growing land races in doors or straight sativas typically 10-11 week flowering times maybe 12 on average for some of these varieties, you should have a good amount of resins after 5 weeks of bloom. Resins begin forming during vegetative periods when the room environment is ideal and the plant is being fed properly. Even if it was a 12 week variety (I'm not saying it should be completely covered in trichs but it should have a good amount covering some of the inner fan leaves by this point on any strain). If I dont see resin glands forming and trichome production I would first look at environment and than at my nutrients and figure out what is missing or not being uptake correctly. I understand some strains are late bloomers but looking at his photos those are decent sized early flowers that should have some resins and oils beginning to form. I don't see anything on them anywhere, this to me is a cause of concern.

Just because a plant is "green" doesnt mean that it is perfectly healthy. Some issues and problems take weeks to be displayed and result in delayed flowering and under developed buds. I find that over fertilization during vegetative growth and early flowering not only will delay flowering and site development but will drastically reduce the resin and trichome production during flowering (less is more approach is very understated). If you want good resin production make sure the temps are warmer than cooler (close day and night temp). Lower humidity (during end of flowering can increase resin production), during early flowering I like mine at or around 55% for the first 4 weeks or so. Than run it around 50% until I am 2 weeks out usually. Its also important that the nutrients you are feeding are balanced and they are healthy. Environment and genetics are the big 2 but what you provide your ladies during early flowering will really make or break the quality and yields that you aim to achieve.

But it's all good. I agree with most of what you said. I think that many people over analyze and over due things. Growing this plant isn't rocket science and approaching in that manner will only lead to more confusion and more problems. Like everyone says keep it simple stupid. Nutrient companies do the research and studies on the formulas that they feel work best. For these reasons so long as you are feeding your plants with a good complete fertilizer and providing it the correct environment you dont need to get all crazy over the top. Start with good genetics you know are good (which is why i usually grow from clone only so I know what the hell im getting and what to expect), this run I'm doing now is one of the few gambles I have taken in a long time growing from seed. And to answer other question. Yes, I have grown landrace strains outdoors not indoors though but havent't done them in a longgg while. I also do not particularly care for or even like the lengthy flowering strains like sativas (although I do absolutely love the smoke and high, I just prefer to buy those not grow them). Because to me they are waste of money and time to grow. I'd rather just buy those from dispensary and have someone else do the work to be truthful. I can flip 2-3 runs in the time some of those strains take to complete 1 flowering phase which is crazy to me.
 

Dr. Who

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Its all good, but you didnt read my whole post i wrote but thats ok. I said potassium silicate was one of the main types of potassium responsible for trich production but that K potassium was what you wanted which drives bud production, resins and trich production. And no im not repeating anything I read offline but thats a good one. And AN isn't only company who uses potassium silicate the beloved Dynagro Protekt is also primarily K silicate as well. Its what you want to feed your plants!

I do have indepth knowledge in horticulture and plant science. I have read alot of books and have a wealth of information from first hand experience as well and (I am always learning new things i never stop reading). But in continuing the discussion silicon derived from silicate sheets is one of the most abundant resources on Earth and is actually only 2nd to O *Oxygen. Plants use silicates to build stem cell walls, form flowers and aid in uptaking other nutrients such as nitrogen which is critical during veg and main flowering periods. Silicates also balance other nutrients and their uptake primarily phosphorus and can limit and reduce uptake of heavy metals into your plants. The reason they use potassium silicate during flowering is too increase flower size, prevent diseases/pests by strengthening the cells and structure internally which also causes a hormonal response that triggers during fungal and pest attacks. Studies recently have actually found that silicon is so abundant in plants they are pushing to make it a macronutrient and can compromise 10% of the dried weight of flowers. The benefits of silicates especially potassium silicates for flower production and quality is very important.

Potassium silicate is also important because it can help stabilize ph that becomes acidic over time, silicon in it natural states need to be suspended in a high ph water so it doesnt break down and become clumpy and bind up. Which is why its always in a separate bottle otherwise it would break down the nutrient formula and suspend the solutions. Think of it as the 3rd part of a 2 part nutrient in that sense.

Although sativas and land races may grow for up to 150 days many of which are not grown indoors in controlled environments. Its simply not economical or reasonable for most growers to dedicate 5 months on a flowering cycle that wont yield anymore than any other 7-8 week varieties. These strains primarily are grown outdoors where they do best and can stretch and grow 20 feet tall. I have never seen anyone running landraces especially indoors and have not heard of many people trying to do this either. Unless you have a very big warehouse type area and alot of patience and money to waste.

Even though there may be individuals growing land races in doors or straight sativas typically 10-11 week flowering times maybe 12 on average for some of these varieties, you should have a good amount of resins after 5 weeks of bloom. Resins begin forming during vegetative periods when the room environment is ideal and the plant is being fed properly. Even if it was a 12 week variety (I'm not saying it should be completely covered in trichs but it should have a good amount covering some of the inner fan leaves by this point on any strain). If I dont see resin glands forming and trichome production I would first look at environment and than at my nutrients and figure out what is missing or not being uptake correctly. I understand some strains are late bloomers but looking at his photos those are decent sized early flowers that should have some resins and oils beginning to form. I don't see anything on them anywhere, this to me is a cause of concern.

Just because a plant is "green" doesnt mean that it is perfectly healthy. Some issues and problems take weeks to be displayed and result in delayed flowering and under developed buds. I find that over fertilization during vegetative growth and early flowering not only will delay flowering and site development but will drastically reduce the resin and trichome production during flowering (less is more approach is very understated). If you want good resin production make sure the temps are warmer than cooler (close day and night temp). Lower humidity (during end of flowering can increase resin production), during early flowering I like mine at or around 55% for the first 4 weeks or so. Than run it around 50% until I am 2 weeks out usually. Its also important that the nutrients you are feeding are balanced and they are healthy. Environment and genetics are the big 2 but what you provide your ladies during early flowering will really make or break the quality and yields that you aim to achieve.

But it's all good. I agree with most of what you said. I think that many people over analyze and over due things. Growing this plant isn't rocket science and approaching in that manner will only lead to more confusion and more problems. Like everyone says keep it simple stupid. Nutrient companies do the research and studies on the formulas that they feel work best. For these reasons so long as you are feeding your plants with a good complete fertilizer and providing it the correct environment you dont need to get all crazy over the top. Start with good genetics you know are good (which is why i usually grow from clone only so I know what the hell im getting and what to expect), this run I'm doing now is one of the few gambles I have taken in a long time growing from seed. And to answer other question. Yes, I have grown landrace strains outdoors not indoors though but havent't done them in a longgg while. I also do not particularly care for or even like the lengthy flowering strains like sativas (although I do absolutely love the smoke and high, I just prefer to buy those not grow them). Because to me they are waste of money and time to grow. I'd rather just buy those from dispensary and have someone else do the work to be truthful. I can flip 2-3 runs in the time some of those strains take to complete 1 flowering phase which is crazy to me.
Oh, I read it. I missed nothing. I think you did.
I'm not going to bother with any other comment.
You don't deserve it.

Doc
 

Cannabil

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Oh, I read it. I missed nothing. I think you did.
I'm not going to bother with any other comment.
You don't deserve it.

Doc
Are you serious? You did miss the last sentence that says that resin building products are always high in K potassium. Because thatis what is responsible for resin production.

Than you are going to write a post and say I am wrong and that it is just other chemical bound forms of potassium that are better fascillitators for resin production?

Do you know the difference between potassium chloride and potassium silicate?

Because they are both forms of potassium except potassium silicate is far better responsible for bud production and resin building because it contains silicon. Which is vital in plant health and quality.

There is little to no difference in the chemical compounds of potassium besides the salt content and solubility of the forms of potassium. Potassium chloride (KCl) is the cheapest and most common form of potassium because it is water soluble. As is its counter part which is potassium nitrate (KNO3) The problem and reason that potassium silicate is better than the cheaper easier soluble fertilizers is that they dont contain the salt compounds which potassium chloride when used in abundance causes salt accumulation and issues at the roots. Potassium silicate is overall the better form of potassium and by far serves multiple purposes over KCl potassium chloride. And potassium sulphate (K2SO4) sulphate potash.

Potassium silicate is also the better form of potassium because it has a better buffering capability regarding ph stability, and doesn't negatively interact with ions in base nutrients including ca2 and mg2. While potassium chloride and other forms dissipate and react when introduced to these forms. Potassium silicate can also be classified as organic and used as disease and oest control and is the best form of potassium for this purpose.

If you wanna argue what form of potassium is better than the other we can get into that argument. Because all you said was that the other forms of potassium you think are more useful for resin production when at the end of the day all it is, is POTASSIUM. it doesnt matter which form it comes in, potassium is what builds strong buds and flowers and is the most important nutrient in developing resins and trichomes. So if you are going to argue with me about something just make sure that you are right. Potassium silicate is the best all around form of potassium which is why it is used in the resin building formulas such as terpinator, protekt, rhino skin, botanicare and many other nutrient companies. So please stop the bad information if you wanna get into it we can do that. And yeah potassium sulphate (potash) is good as well but trying to say that potassium silicate isnt good at resin production is absolute bullshit they are damn near identical forms of potassium minus sulpher element. You are arguing the same point which is potassium responsible for resin production and bud production. They are all potassium compounds!!
 
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Greenhouse;save

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Oxygen is the second most abundant resource in our planet.......nitrogen IS the most abundant......just so you can add this to your wealth of knowledge......yes...
 

rkymtnman

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Cannabil

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Second soluble potash is whats is all of the AN nutrients that you hate so much. But contains the form of potassium you think is most responsible lol
 

Cannabil

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Oxygen is the second most abundant resource in our planet.......nitrogen IS the most abundant......just so you can add this to your wealth of knowledge......yes...
No oxygen is the 2nd most abundant element in our atmosphere. Nitrogen is numero uno. Im talking about the makeup of Earth. Silicon makes up the 2nd most abundant element on our planet, carbon is the first. This is regarding earths crust, plants etc... Im no talking about the atmosphere im talking about plants!
 
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Cannabil

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Thats why potassium silicate is really important in bud production and building flowers resins and trichs. And as dr. Who mentioned soluble potash is also very good and contains silicate as well. Damn near the same shit. Its just the difference of sulphate and ph stability, and solubility in solution. They are all forms of potassium so its really no big difference lol
 

Greenhouse;save

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No oxygen is the 2nd most abundant element in our atmosphere. Nitrogen is numero uno. Im talking about the makeup of Earth. Silicon makes up the 2nd most abundant element on our planet, carbon is the first. This is regarding earths crust, plants etc... Im no talking about the atmosphere im talking about plants!
I concur....
 

Dr. Who

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CANNABIL SAID "Are you serious? You did miss the last sentence that says that resin building products are always high in K potassium. Because thatis what is responsible for resin production.

I never said they weren't! But that forms of K are used for different things in growing plants....Si is not the best form of K to increase Trich's and terp's!

Than you are going to write a post and say I am wrong and that it is just other chemical bound forms of potassium that are better fascillitators for resin production?

Exactly right!

Do you know the difference between potassium chloride and potassium silicate?

Did you read my post?

Because they are both forms of potassium except potassium silicate is far better responsible for bud production and resin building because it contains silicon. Which is vital in plant health and quality.

I never used Potassium Chloride as an example of being better then anything! Did you read what I posted or just get flustered because someone knows more about Horticultural Chemistry then you?

Potassium silicate is overall the better form of potassium and by far serves multiple purposes over KC1 potassium chloride. And potassium sulphate (K2SO4) sulphate potash.

Potassium Sulfate has FAR more effect on Trics and treps then Potassium Silicate......Far more effect on yield increase too!
I suggest you actually start reading those Hort books you say you read, because you missed something.....BTW, there are papers posted on the internet directly supporting my position on K2SO4 ! Go find them yourself.


If you wanna argue what form of potassium is better than the other we can get into that argument. Because all you said was that the other forms of potassium you think are more useful for resin production when at the end of the day all it is, is POTASSIUM. it doesnt matter which form it comes in, potassium is what builds strong buds and flowers and is the most important nutrient in developing resins and trichomes. So if you are going to argue with me about something just make sure that you are right. Potassium silicate is the best all around form of potassium which is why it is used in the resin building formulas such as terpinator, protekt, rhino skin, botanicare and many other nutrient companies. So please stop the bad information if you wanna get into it we can do that."

How about you ACTUALLY LOOK at the bottles labels and SEE what the main forms of K actually ARE in any nutrient base?
WOW, how about that! It's NOT Si !!!!
Now look at K boosters ,,,,, Hmm, again, NOT Si!!! Why do YOU think THAT is?

Yes, the differences DO matter! Did we fail Chemistry?
I'm not arguing! I'm RIGHT!


You lost any respect I gained for you at our last encounter!
Now dry up and blow away!!!
Or are you going to say that someone hacked your account this time too?

You sir are burying yourself here.

Doc
 

Cannabil

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try adding some supplemental UVB lighting like this: http://www.amazon.com/Exo-Terra-Repti-Glo-Fluorescent-Terrarium/dp/B00101GDIG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438267765&sr=8-1&keywords=uvb bulb

trichomes are the defense mechanism of a plant to protect it from UVB like sunscreen.

HPS puts out 0 UVB especially if it's in a reflector with a glass cover.

if you do have 6 more weeks to go like some have said, it's well worth adding some now.
The only funny thing is after a certain point intense light degrades thc and light/heat exposure becomes counter productive. You need to use it at the correct times to get the production. Thats why alot of people dim their lights down towards the end of flowering during the ripening. This reduces the chance of degrading trichomes and depletion of the ones you built. Thats why you also need to dry and store your buds in the dark. Light exposure can fuck shit up. UV light is good to a certain point and will increase resin/trich production just know when to implement it and how much, thats the trick to it.
 

Cannabil

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CANNABIL SAID "Are you serious? You did miss the last sentence that says that resin building products are always high in K potassium. Because thatis what is responsible for resin production.

I never said they weren't! But that forms of K are used for different things in growing plants....Si is not the best form of K to increase Trich's and terp's!

Than you are going to write a post and say I am wrong and that it is just other chemical bound forms of potassium that are better fascillitators for resin production?

Exactly right!

Do you know the difference between potassium chloride and potassium silicate?

Did you read my post?

Because they are both forms of potassium except potassium silicate is far better responsible for bud production and resin building because it contains silicon. Which is vital in plant health and quality.

I never used Potassium Chloride as an example of being better then anything! Did you read what I posted or just get flustered because someone knows more about Horticultural Chemistry then you?

Potassium silicate is overall the better form of potassium and by far serves multiple purposes over KC1 potassium chloride. And potassium sulphate (K2SO4) sulphate potash.

Potassium Sulfate has FAR more effect on Trics and treps then Potassium Silicate......Far more effect on yield increase too!
I suggest you actually start reading those Hort books you say you read, because you missed something.....BTW, there are papers posted on the internet directly supporting my position on K2SO4 ! Go find them yourself.


If you wanna argue what form of potassium is better than the other we can get into that argument. Because all you said was that the other forms of potassium you think are more useful for resin production when at the end of the day all it is, is POTASSIUM. it doesnt matter which form it comes in, potassium is what builds strong buds and flowers and is the most important nutrient in developing resins and trichomes. So if you are going to argue with me about something just make sure that you are right. Potassium silicate is the best all around form of potassium which is why it is used in the resin building formulas such as terpinator, protekt, rhino skin, botanicare and many other nutrient companies. So please stop the bad information if you wanna get into it we can do that."

How about you ACTUALLY LOOK at the bottles labels and SEE what the main forms of K actually ARE in any nutrient base?
WOW, how about that! It's NOT Si !!!!
Now look at K boosters ,,,,, Hmm, again, NOT Si!!! Why do YOU think THAT is?

Yes, the differences DO matter! Did we fail Chemistry?
I'm not arguing! I'm RIGHT!


You lost any respect I gained for you at our last encounter!
Now dry up and blow away!!!
Or are you going to say that someone hacked your account this time too?

You sir are burying yourself here.

Doc
I said the boost products contains potash. As do many ferts. You didnt read my other posts. But alot of companies are changing over to potassium silicate.

Including your beloved dynagro protekt. So how am i burying myself? I was using potassium chloride as an example.
 

Cannabil

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Im done arguing. Ok you are right. Dont use potassium silicate Dr. who says it is no good. Even though he thinks dyna gro is the best which use potassium silicate in the protekt. So hows that make sense???

But like he said im wrong, So dont use it everyone. I am wrong he is right. Moving on. Listen to whoever you please.

Google is an amazing thing you can look it ip yourself and make your own decision.
 

Cannabil

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Yeah alot of companies do use soluble potash that was my point is that they are now switching over and finding that potassium silicates are better form of it. Go look it up, theres alot of information on it out their to find. This isn't something that I just made up because I felt like it lol.
 

Dr. Who

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Im done arguing. Ok you are right. Dont use potassium silicate Dr. who says it is no good. Even though he thinks dyna gro is the best which use potassium silicate in the protekt. So hows that make sense???

But like he said im wrong, So dont use it everyone. I am wrong he is right. Moving on. Listen to whoever you please.

Google is an amazing thing you can look it ip yourself and make your own decision.
Oh for gods sake you moron.
I never said don't use it.
I never said it wasn't good.
I said that it is NOT the effective solution for increase of trich's and terps!
Protekt is an Si supplement for STRONGER cell walls........K BOOSTERS do not use Si!
And Si does not make an effective K alternative in base formulations in regards to other available K formulations!
Your ignorance shows through here!

That's it bottom line!!!!!
I gave the truth because the good people here,,,don't need to be baffled by BS info gleaned from nutrient makers propaganda!

Damn

Doc
 

Cannabil

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Oh for gods sake you moron.
I never said don't use it.
I never said it wasn't good.
I said that it is NOT the effective solution for increase of trich's and terps!
Protekt is an Si supplement for STRONGER cell walls........K BOOSTERS do not use Si!
And Si does not make an effective K alternative in base formulations in regards to other available K formulations!
Your ignorance shows through here!

That's it bottom line!!!!!
I gave the truth because the good people here,,,don't need to be baffled by BS info gleaned from nutrient makers propaganda!

Damn

Doc
Well I think you are wrong so how about that? LMAO!!

You said I was wrong. Saying I am wrong implies what I said isn't true and that you shouldn't use it or that there is somethig better to use. Which you go and mention potassium sulphate which is basically the same fuckin thing just in different chemical makeup. Its still fuckin potassium!! Also as I mentioned and provided the information regarding potassium silicate is that they are finding that pot silicate is a better source of the chemical compound to deliver potassium. Since the plants absorbs and uses silica to build stem structure and celll walls, on top of flower/bud production (and many other reasons including pest/disease control. Ph stability etc...) Using potassium silicate is better than potash and the combination and this form of potassium is more soluble and doesnt negatively interact with other ions like potash can. It also is salt bases or corrosive which is another reason they are finding that this form of potassium is better suited for growing and the formula makeup is directly related and responsible for increasing producion of flowers and in turn builds trichs and resin production.

Yes soluble potash which is an easy and viable form of potassium is very soluble and easily absorbable, but they are finding that potassium silicate has a better relationship with anions and helps facilitate better overall growth and development of flowers. This is evident in the fact that many new formulas which target the "resin building" nutrient additives are now using potassium silicate or potassium and silicon in their formulas. There are quite a few extensive articles and information regarding this topic, and have since brought the use of silicates for plant health to be included as a macronutrient since so much of the plant and flowers makeup includes silicon. They are saying upwards of 10% of the final dry weight in test results comes from silicon. The purpose for running silicate potassium is the way the plant uses and uptakes them together and is more soluble than potash. Research has also discovered that this form of potassium to be much more beneficial than the soluble potash and is by far more stable in suspension and its alkalinity which also stabilizes and brings up acidic ph of most additives and base nutrients. If you go and look up ph up they are now using potassium silicate for this purpose.

Speaking of morons:
***Muriate of Potash (is also potassium chloride) so when I used that as a reference unless you just googled the shit which Im sure you did you would know this is the same shit). All forms of soluble potash are basically the same shit anyways and is the most common form of potassium in fertilizers which are also primarily salt based. Thats the diff between why the potassium silicate it a better form of potassium for these reasons listed. But im a moron so I guess you right. But look who's stupid now? YOU MY FRIEND. Not me. But Kudos you know everything you are a Dr. Correct?

Which makes no sense to me. And that my friend was my point. You are taking this somewhere else for whatever reason. So much anymosity towards me ever since I joined this forum I really dont get what all the damn bickering is amongst men. I dont know how else to put this but its just very odd the way people speak to one another and tell me they are idiots and morons and that they are wrong because they have a different view point or idea.

Protekt is 10% potassium silicate!! Lets both do exclamation points. And you obviously didn't read or understand why they use and are finding that potassium silicate is more effective than soluble potash.
 

Dr. Who

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And you obviously didn't read or understand why they use and are finding that potassium silicate is more effective than soluble potash.

List it! I want the source of that!
Give us the paper! Or a link to it!
I want to see it!

Also show me exactly what nutrient company has switched it's base Veg or bloom formula to Potassium silicate! Why do they all list K2O for the source of K.....Where IS this big change over you swear is happening?

Please enlighten us all!!!

Here are the makers pages from the sites ---- Show me where they state that their product increases trich's or terp's?
Find it? NO? Because it isn't there!!!!! ONLY Adv. Nute. Says it does....in their propaganda sheets!!!


And the less effective Botanicare


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    Silica Blast™ plant bio-mass yield enhancer is a beneficial nutrient supplement designed to strengthen plant tissue and be used in conjunction with Botanicare nutrients or your preferred standard nutrient program. Silica Blast is ideal for use in soilless container and hydroponic applications as well as soil applications. The silicate in Silica Blast helps the formation of a sturdy silicate matrix in cell walls. The strengthened cells result in reduced transpiration rates and allows plants to continue photosynthesis under stressed environments.

    To view a video about the benefits of using Silica Blast click on the usage application tab below.

    Benefits
    • Helps plants flourish in extreme environments.
    • Useful in multiple growing environments.
    • Continued photosynthesis in hotter environments.
    • Strengthens stems.
    • Silica increases dry weight in most plant varieties.
    • Stabilizes pH in recirculating hydrogardens.




    Guaranteed Analysis:
    • Soluble Potash (K2O): 0.5%
    • ALSO CONTAINS NON-PLANT FOOD INGREDIENT: 2.0% Silicon (Si) from Sodium Silicate and Potassium Silicate.
    Derived from: Potassium Silicate
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