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i420

i420

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Bob Smith said:
Nah, the only thing I was buying on eBay last night was some calcium nitrate and some chelated iron - my cooltube is from Octagonhydroponics.com.

And the goal is to flip at 12"; some plants are already well larger than that, and some are still just starting to grow - hoping to flowering in 10-14 days.

BTW, you should check out this journal, seems to be kinda what you're doing:

http://www.gardenscure.com/420/hydroponic-grow-journals/139572-cube.html
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Thanks for the link. I tried to view and even after registering and going thru that process they sent this email.

"Thank you for registering, i420. Your account has been submitted for moderation by an administrator and will be activated shortly. You will be notified by email when this happens."

Really? LOL .... I guess IF they approve me I'll get to see the thread you linked...
 
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Bob Smith

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He started a journal of the same grow at verticalgreen.org under the name "carebear" (or something close) - title of the grow is also called "the cube".
 
zem

zem

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Bob Smith said:
Just making some CalMag............bought some magnesium sulfate as well.

Figured I'd start off small before I went balls out and started making my own custom nute blends.

Prolly just buy a trace mix as well, because having a pound of boron sitting around for the next 200 years seems kinda silly.

Dragging my feet on getting my water analyzed (have an RO filter but hate the waste it creates and my tap ain't that bad - 7.5/150, so I've been using that - also like the chlorine in there as an oxydizing agent).
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you would think that making your own blend is hard, but it's not at all. you have calcium nitrate and mg sulfate, all you need is couple more chemicals with a ppm meter. all you have to do is add each part to your res and measure ppm.
 
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Bob Smith

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zem said:
you would think that making your own blend is hard, but it's not at all. you have calcium nitrate and mg sulfate, all you need is couple more chemicals with a ppm meter. all you have to do is add each part to your res and measure ppm.
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From what I understand, you weigh out the nutes on a digital scale before dumping them into a mixing bucket and mixing them all together.

I'll use my TDS pen to double-check at the end, but you don't use that when mixing your nutes (according to the threads I've read) - I'm sure you could, just seems to be a little less exact and more of a pain in the ass to wait until the nute is fully dissolved and take lots of readings.

Rather just weigh it out and be done with it.

Totally off-topic now, sorry about that......
 
zem

zem

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what i do is i dissolve like 200grams or so of each chemical in a bottle then i would have dissolved ferts ready for use in bottles, then i would know how many grams/liter i have so i only have to use a cup with volume measure to know how much i am adding. i only keep the trace element mix as powder because it is very easy to dissolve them since i use them in very small amounts, just weigh a gram or 2 on a scale and dissolve them. it might sound harder than it really is, it's really simple.
 
zem

zem

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i don't get it, there's a forum for hallucinatory substances and another for gardening anything but mj, yet no forum for vertical?!? i say at least have a vertical sub-forum in "advanced marijuana cultivation".

why do they even put a requests forum when no mod ever responds, whether positive or negative, someone should at least respond, any idea on whom i could pm for this request? thanks
 
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cageuser

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I am also a vertical proponent. I believe if you think about it in basic terms, more cubic feet of canopy and no reflection then how could it not be more efficient. But if you want math to prove it check this out. How much light leaves the 360 degree light bar and hits plants directly when growing horizontally with a reflector? 180 degrees of course!!!! the other 180 degrees is first reflected and then travels toward the plants. So 50% of the light goes directly to the plants and the other 50% gets reflected first. So if we look at the inverse square law we know that every 6" we move away from the light source we halve the lumens. so the 50% of the light that gets reflected has to travel at least 6" to get back to where the other light starts from ( 3" up to the reflector and 3" back down.....sometimes more depending on your reflector), not to mention any light lost in the reflection. So of the 50% of light reflected only half of the light is available to the plants. So only 75% of the light from the whole bulb, (not including light lost in reflection) is ever available to the plants. That proves vertical gives more light availability to plants, not to mention the other benefits of no hot spots and more uniform plant growth( all plants are same distance from the light). I think the problem with vertical is people don't do it for long enough and then give up. the training methods are different and just like it took you a given number of crops to learn horizontal it takes a given number of crops to learn vertical. btw I have done multiple vertical crops both hydro and soil and have achieved my best yields with this style of growing. currently i'm doing shared six plant hexagons in an 8000 watt room(1000 watt bulbs). I'm using subcool's organic mix in 7 gallon smart pots. i've fed them nothing but water and they look great. we're three weeks into flower. That's my two cents:)

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this diagram is only half the lights in the room but it gives you an idea what i'm talking about
 
zem

zem

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i had started this thread looking from outside, really, i got nothing growing now an going on for a long long time, i have never grown vertical either, it's just that when looking into it, i saw first hand how important it is to have it around, a different issue of growing altogether, i mean why have "general indoor" section when theres also "indoor" outdoor and aero/hydro section?

i messaged a mod like a week or so ago no answer, i will do it later again too busy now :) thanks for supporting this idea :D cheers :D
 
zem

zem

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i420 said:
Well I think I will start a "Vertical Garden" thread for all vertical growers to post their pics and comments on vertical growing.
I"ll start it is as an open journal but for only vertical grows. I'm about to start a vertical scrog or a C . O . G . cage of green.
And I thik there are a few other members that would add to the thread.

With music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9rmPdjwz8Y


plant wrap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIimzkIVNko
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there are many such threads but a thread is not enough, it soon becomes endless pages of little use, vertical is way more different in design and operation, actually a different and more efficient mechanism of growing, all the design is different, so there will be so many issues that need threads and they all disappear into the vastness of RIU it's a pity for people looking for the info on such a good system of growing
 
notasthinkasyoustonediam

notasthinkasyoustonediam

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First Grow. Six plant vertical grow in 4 x 5 closet. New York Sour Diesel. Week four of flower with four weeks veg. 1200w in cool tubes. CO2 Plants are growing around the top of the room and being trained downward (serious pain in the ass).

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This is next setup.
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zem

zem

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notasthinkasyoustonediam said:
First Grow. Six plant vertical grow in 4 x 5 closet. New York Sour Diesel. Week four of flower with four weeks veg. 1200w in cool tubes. CO2 Plants are growing around the top of the room and being trained downward (serious pain in the ass).

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This is next setup.
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i 2nd that!helyea!!! that's unreal!

gota ask couple q's :D how are these netpots held in the tubes perfectly sideways?? what's the medium in the pipes?
 
zem

zem

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nice, so you top feed each tube and it drains down to the cubes then onto the roots, then to the below plant? and how are the roots looking? would like to know more details on that system, it's the same as i pictured my future grow, only wasn't sure how to feed them
 
notasthinkasyoustonediam

notasthinkasyoustonediam

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zem said:
nice, so you top feed each tube and it drains down to the cubes then onto the roots, then to the below plant? and how are the roots looking? would like to know more details on that system, it's the same as i pictured my future grow, only wasn't sure how to feed them
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The roots are great. They make huge rootballs in the tubes and some grow several feet long, back into the reservoir
 
zem

zem

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"vertical growing forum" will be THE hit! comon RIU! i can see it!:cool: all the people who wonder often about vertical will flood it with questions and experienced growers will love it to share! no responses in "make your request" forum, why is it even there?
 
genuity

genuity

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i must say,that this is a good idea,i have just made the change,i for one can care less about going to another website(icmag)to learn,what some of the good people of RIU have to offer.
but i will give due to that guy (marlo),over at icmag,jus from me lurking,i havetakeing in alot of info..
RIU,it would be nice to have a sub-forum for vert growing.
 
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