For Auto Growers

justugh · May 19, 2016

hey

i am one of u i spent the last 4 years of my life working with auto plants......learning the strains and tricks to get them to make some damn good smoke

now i am writting to tell u ..........the other ppl are wrong auto flowers are not a a watse of time and the shops will buy them (i was just in oregon and i asked over in 10 shops if they would buy auto flower ........they said yes they might even have some on the shelf now they can not tell )

the stores themselves can not tell not from the smoke not from the taste not from the test ..............aslong as the plant has a good taste and decent THC they will take

i sawl strains in the shops ranging from 12% to 31% thc

so keep working keep getting your skills up the day of the photo plant is over ........it is all about how fast u can produce a good plant to be put up on the shelves for sale

and before u say it under yeilds .............bullshit and it does not matter i sawl growers only putting out preroll joints and 1/8 jars and they were flying off the shelf .......good taste good thc all that matters ( the shop re ordered from them 3 times in 2 weeks i was there )

BionicΩChronic · May 19, 2016

Hey ugh

Thank u for your support.
I am almost done with my first grow and I LOVE autos
I grew think big, lsd-25 and green crack.
I'm high as fuck right now off a tester nugg I took off lsd
I had high temps 80-85 the whole grow though so I'm how my yields will be, using 600w but I figure at least a zip from lsd-25, same from green crack and 3 from think big. I have pics if you want to see them. But anyways thanks for the support bro! :bigjoint:

justugh · May 19, 2016

BionicΩChronic said:
Hey ugh

Thank u for your support.
I am almost done with my first grow and I LOVE autos
I grew think big, lsd-25 and green crack.
I'm high as fuck right now off a tester nugg I took off lsd
I had high temps 80-85 the whole grow though so I'm how my yields will be, using 600w but I figure at least a zip from lsd-25, same from green crack and 3 from think big. I have pics if you want to see them. But anyways thanks for the support bro!

right temps are ok but u need to add something like bud candy to keep the THC from degrading.....and keep on top of the watering

i know the green crack strain well .........i can guess what u got just knowing your soil planter size ....how offen u water/how much u watered and what feeds u used

your first grow .......u should get atleast 1 oz and half per plant under a 600w ....in a 3 gallon planter
in a 5 gallon planter around 2 oz mybe little over or just shy
in a 7 gallon planter u are looking 2 and half near 3

count these plants as a baseline plan ......tweak the feed and the watering to see if u can better ( rem any failure is a good thing aslong as u learn from it .....even i fail now and then)

Corso312 · May 19, 2016

Lol @ " the day of the photo plant is over"

BionicΩChronic · May 19, 2016

justugh said:
right temps are ok but u need to add something like bud candy to keep the THC from degrading.....and keep on top of the watering

i know the green crack strain well .........i can guess what u got just knowing your soil planter size ....how offen u water/how much u watered and what feeds u used

your first grow .......u should get atleast 1 oz and half per plant under a 600w ....in a 3 gallon planter
in a 5 gallon planter around 2 oz mybe little over or just shy
in a 7 gallon planter u are looking 2 and half near 3

count these plants as a baseline plan ......tweak the feed and the watering to see if u can better ( rem any failure is a good thing aslong as u learn from it .....even i fail now and then)

I use gh preformance pack
in 5gal buckets
Ffhf with 30% perlite water when buckets get light
Feed every Wednesday
1 gal water each watering of feeding except I gave them all a flush last week and started back on nutes

BionicΩChronic · May 19, 2016

The think big has like 30 tops

justugh · May 19, 2016

Corso312 said:
Lol @ " the day of the photo plant is over"

laugh all u want

i was just in a state that hit the trouble of everyone using clones .......so the strains were all the same and the shops did not want to buy a bulk of the supply ppl had on hand ......made the prices per lb drop down to 1200 the best they could except would be 1600 with high THC with a clone strain ..........with own strains or unseen genetics in area looking at 2000.2200 a lb and the thc just needs to be above 17% for the sale to the shop to be placed mid shelf ......looking at 21% or higher to get top shelf and then the price is somewhere in 2500 range

i got 2 contracts for the grower i went to see out there .........just because i could promise new strains they have not seen in the shops there (i had a supply of photo seed genetics i was saving to play around with once i could.....and a cash of auto crop seeds for growth) strains they do not have around there

the photos on my phone and the results from mydx sealed the deal ...........the only reason i came back home was i had already made agreements with a set of ppl i needed to keep my word on other wise i would of staled permit working on their site filling the orders as a partner with them

autos are the way to get different strains into rotations fast .........i can have a strain out before u can with clones ....capitalizing on the market demand before u can getting a higher price

go and see for yourself u will come to the same understanding ...........forget all the crap u heard about auto plants in the past and look at them now with no prejudgements

BionicΩChronic said:
I use gh preformance pack
in 5gal buckets
Ffhf with 30% perlite water when buckets get light
Feed every Wednesday
1 gal water each watering of feeding except I gave them all a flush last week and started back on nutes

that is kind of low......i run 7 gallon air pots
they get 1 gallon of water every 2 days at those temps (with no run off they take the whole gallon)

good feed system .........flushing is needed with that one .........about a week before u cut it u want to change over to just water feed then 3 days before u cut or flush it out give it 24/48 hours of light to use up the water in the soil give it 24/48 of darnkess and hack it down

personally i like little water in the plant so it is not droopy and a bitch to cut

your watering was low ......it has a direct link to bud size i am saying about 2 and half oz of hard popcorn buds ones clipped away from the stem ( very respectful; i only did a oz of fluffy buds off my first run)

next time u do a plant try this out .........water it 1 gallon and keep a track of how long untill u see it droop (wilted) look comes (that means more water) then u feed it again and rem that time ......right before u know they are going to droop u feed them water

hot temps like 75 and up u are looking at every 2 days
colder temps 60s to about 72 u are looking at every 3 days

BionicΩChronic · May 19, 2016

justugh said:
laugh all u want

i was just in a state that hit the trouble of everyone using clones .......so the strains were all the same and the shops did not want to buy a bulk of the supply ppl had on hand ......made the prices per lb drop down to 1200 the best they could except would be 1600 with high THC with a clone strain ..........with own strains or unseen genetics in area looking at 2000.2200 a lb and the thc just needs to be above 17% for the sale to the shop to be placed mid shelf ......looking at 21% or higher to get top shelf and then the price is somewhere in 2500 range

i got 2 contracts for the grower i went to see out there .........just because i could promise new strains they have not seen in the shops there (i had a supply of photo seed genetics i was saving to play around with once i could.....and a cash of auto crop seeds for growth) strains they do not have around there

the photos on my phone and the results from mydx sealed the deal ...........the only reason i came back home was i had already made agreements with a set of ppl i needed to keep my word on other wise i would of staled permit working on their site filling the orders as a partner with them

autos are the way to get different strains into rotations fast .........i can have a strain out before u can with clones ....capitalizing on the market demand before u can getting a higher price

go and see for yourself u will come to the same understanding ...........forget all the crap u heard about auto plants in the past and look at them now with no prejudgements

that is kind of low......i run 7 gallon air pots
they get 1 gallon of water every 2 days at those temps (with no run off they take the whole gallon)

good feed system .........flushing is needed with that one .........about a week before u cut it u want to change over to just water feed then 3 days before u cut or flush it out give it 24/48 hours of light to use up the water in the soil give it 24/48 of darnkess and hack it down

personally i like little water in the plant so it is not droopy and a bitch to cut

your watering was low ......it has a direct link to bud size i am saying about 2 and half oz of hard popcorn buds ones clipped away from the stem ( very respectful; i only did a oz of fluffy buds off my first run)

next time u do a plant try this out .........water it 1 gallon and keep a track of how long untill u see it droop (wilted) look comes (that means more water) then u feed it again and rem that time ......right before u know they are going to droop u feed them water

hot temps like 75 and up u are looking at every 2 days
colder temps 60s to about 72 u are looking at every 3 days

wow! U sure do know your stuff! Every time ive watered ive seen runnoff
Except one time they went 4 days.without water and two wilted. Im going to.start watering every two days. How often do i feed if im watering 3.5 times a week?
Im gonna pm u pics

justugh · May 19, 2016

BionicΩChronic said:
wow! U sure do know your stuff! Every time ive watered ive seen runnoff
Except one time they went 4 days.without water and two wilted. Im going to.start watering every two days. How often do i feed if im watering 3.5 times a week?
Im gonna pm u pics

well depends on the plants

u can feed every time u water if u want.........but that takes adjustments to the feed plan (your chemical based mostly so i would not do that it will kill all the micros in the soil and u want them)

your getting to the end of the plants life ........if u mess with the plan to much u are going to see burn on the leaves .....for now i would keep what u are doing and maybe adding on some stronger resin builders

this one is the koolbloom ........i had a bad reaction with my plant and this it finished them to fast ............u might think of investing in some addons
bud candy
http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutrients-Bud-Candy-Fertilizer/dp/B003OTZ2PW

honey
http://www.amazon.com/Honey-Organic-Qt-Humboldt-Nutrients/dp/B0032JYRLY

there is some overlapping going on but the combo of both will get u a sticky plant ..........and for u it will add 2 more soruces or organics for the soil micros

mr sunshine · May 19, 2016

justugh said:
hey

i am one of u i spent the last 4 years of my life working with auto plants......learning the strains and tricks to get them to make some damn good smoke

now i am writting to tell u ..........the other ppl are wrong auto flowers are not a a watse of time and the shops will buy them (i was just in oregon and i asked over in 10 shops if they would buy auto flower ........they said yes they might even have some on the shelf now they can not tell )

the stores themselves can not tell not from the smoke not from the taste not from the test ..............aslong as the plant has a good taste and decent THC they will take

i sawl strains in the shops ranging from 12% to 31% thc

so keep working keep getting your skills up the day of the photo plant is over ........it is all about how fast u can produce a good plant to be put up on the shelves for sale

and before u say it under yeilds .............bullshit and it does not matter i sawl growers only putting out preroll joints and 1/8 jars and they were flying off the shelf .......good taste good thc all that matters ( the shop re ordered from them 3 times in 2 weeks i was there )

No one said shops dont buy good weed, some people, many people that do this for a living would argue that growing seeds is always a risk whether it's photo or auto... Its better to keep genetics alive. And you cant do that with auto's. They're pretty much one time use plant's. Sure I can get tons of seeds but then id have to deal with tons of phenotypes I dont care for and I won't be able to keep the ones that I love. Not to mention save a shit ton of money.. I don't make seeds bro, If I grew autos I'd have to buy some for every run.. it's just inefficient, it's cool for a home grower with a small operation but not a professional. .

justugh · May 19, 2016

mr sunshine said:
No one said shops dont buy good weed, some people, many people that do this for a living would argue that growing seeds is always a risk whether it's photo or auto... Its better to keep genetics alive. And you cant do that with auto's. They're pretty much one time use plant's. Sure I can get tons of seeds but then id have to deal with tons of phenotypes I dont care for and I won't be able to keep the ones that I love. Not to mention save a shit ton of money.. I don't make seeds bro, If I grew autos I'd have to buy some for every run.. it's just inefficient, it's cool for a home grower with a small operation but not a professional. .

yes and that same thinking has caused PM issues over 5 counties do to the mother plant infected so the clones are ...........the man is not willing to kill them off to clean out place so the clones are good .......he is wrecking his rep by thinking to small

anyone one that has a strain they love should always have seeds saved to make it again ( getting into your own genetics is the last thing for any master grower)

i was just in a market that is all clones .........the grow store sold them the weed shops sold them ......clones are chocking out the prices on themself even if the market opens up to exporting weed to other states they are still choking themselves into a lower price

Clones and mother plants have a life to them ......it is the market demand this is going to keeping happending every 2 yers 18 months strains will be played out and not be in demand for 2-3 years again if ever

the only way a cloning op makes sense is if u make your own genetics and only use them for yourself suppling no one with clones untill the strain starts selling for lower cost in your shop ......sel off clones to everyone and take them out while u cycle the new ones in .........as the maker u will be smart enough to keep seeds in ub zero temps keeping them for later grows ( as a clone buyer unless u got a male and female of that it will fall out of cycle) keeping the market fresh and not over supplied with 20 strains getting better pricing for everyone except the retailer buyer

justugh · May 19, 2016

the blackmarket has taught me well

think about it ..........i have 1 strain it is a killer strain good shit but after few months of that the ppl want something else so the price has to go down so they will be willing to take it other wise it just sits there .....they might want it again in few months but the product sits and decays .......at some point it really is not sellable if u want a great rep so u just took a hit for a decent amount of your profits if u were dumb enough to take a 10 lb deal where the marktet only wanted 4 ( u made your cost with a few 100s more but most of profit gone)

same thing out at the shops they move items from top to mid to low as they get older and less ppl have a demand for that one .......i heard shops had penny deals to sell the oldest stuff they could not show on shelf

supply and demand ............clones do not work on open markets (illegal ones yes legal ones no )

mr sunshine · May 19, 2016

justugh said:
yes and that same thinking has caused PM issues over 5 counties do to the mother plant infected so the clones are ...........the man is not willing to kill them off to clean out place so the clones are good .......he is wrecking his rep by thinking to small

anyone one that has a strain they love should always have seeds saved to make it again ( getting into your own genetics is the last thing for any master grower)

i was just in a market that is all clones .........the grow store sold them the weed shops sold them ......clones are chocking out the prices on themself even if the market opens up to exporting weed to other states they are still choking themselves into a lower price

Clones and mother plants have a life to them ......it is the market demand this is going to keeping happending every 2 yers 18 months strains will be played out and not be in demand for 2-3 years again if ever

the only way a cloning op makes sense is if u make your own genetics and only use them for yourself suppling no one with clones untill the strain starts selling for lower cost in your shop ......sel off clones to everyone and take them out while u cycle the new ones in .........as the maker u will be smart enough to keep seeds in ub zero temps keeping them for later grows ( as a clone buyer unless u got a male and female of that it will fall out of cycle) keeping the market fresh and not over supplied with 20 strains getting better pricing for everyone except the retailer buyer

You don't get it I'm not saying use clone onlys or only buy clones.. I'm saying get whatever strain you want then clone it . How will it get pm if you are the only one that handled it ?When you find your special pheno , keep it.. You say the only way cloning a photo makes sense is if you make your own genetics.. That's dumb because unless you're making the auto seeds those genetics are not yours or "special" either. It's exactly the same thing except you can't keep the auto.

mr sunshine · May 19, 2016

Plus autos take longer to finish.. Running a business is all about keeping cost down and sales up.. Efficiency is a must. Having to start over with new beans everytime is bad for business .. What happens when your coustomer doesn't like all the different looking weed with the same name? That's a problem bro!

justugh · May 19, 2016

mr sunshine said:
You don't get it I'm not saying use clone onlys or only buy clones.. I'm saying get whatever strain you want then clone it . How will it get pm if you are the only one that handled it ?When you find your special pheno , keep it.. You say the only way cloning a photo makes sense is if you make your own genetics.. That's dumb because unless you're making the auto seeds those genetics are not yours or "special" either. It's exactly the same thing except you can't keep the auto.

auto flowering genetics is something i am dying to get into ......but with current op i can not with out chancing seeds in my sellable stock (one of my major selling points is no seeds and tight stem clip so u are getting mostly flower in jars)

i am pointing out that a guy did your thinking and moved to selling the clones .............clones are a chance and if to stuborn to kill them it can wreck everything u are building
(even with clones u need to have seeds to safe gaurd your plants)

mr sunshine said:
Plus autos take longer to finish.. Running a business is all about keeping cost down and sales up.. Efficiency is a must. Having to start over with new beans everytime is bad for business .. What happens when your coustomer doesn't like all the different looking weed with the same name? That's a problem bro!

where have u been
autos seed flower and dry to sellable before u plants are cut
.....even with clones shorting the growth u are looking 12 weeks to cut ..........the longest auto i have done was 110days and that was i cut off the top and mid lvl and gave lower one direct light (a auto flower hydro 23 oz of good sellable smoke 3 oz 20 grams of fluffy stuff for canna butter)

i am looking at 2 acres of space to grow outdoor with a indoor/greenhouse more then big enough for a 60 plant cycle (30 and 30)
the outdoor is on a moutain so it is perfect for a terrace system for growing .......break it down into beds and grow rows with plantnigs in 2 week cycles after the first 10 weeks harvest and get one more season in the outdoor for about half the total feild

yah i am good

mr sunshine · May 19, 2016

justugh said:
auto flowering genetics is something i am dying to get into ......but with current op i can not with out chancing seeds in my sellable stock (one of my major selling points is no seeds and tight stem clip so u are getting mostly flower in jars)

i am pointing out that a guy did your thinking and moved to selling the clones .............clones are a chance and if to stuborn to kill them it can wreck everything u are building
(even with clones u need to have seeds to safe gaurd your plants)

where have u been
autos seed flower and dry to sellable before u plants are cut
.....even with clones shorting the growth u are looking 12 weeks to cut ..........the longest auto i have done was 110days and that was i cut off the top and mid lvl and gave lower one direct light (a auto flower hydro 23 oz of good sellable smoke 3 oz 20 grams of fluffy stuff for canna butter)

i am looking at 2 acres of space to grow outdoor with a indoor/greenhouse more then big enough for a 60 plant cycle (30 and 30)
the outdoor is on a moutain so it is perfect for a terrace system for growing .......break it down into beds and grow rows with plantnigs in 2 week cycles after the first 10 weeks harvest and get one more season in the outdoor for about half the total feild

yah i am good

You're just assuming I want to give away my genetics. If you keep it to yourself you won't have the pm problems like that one guy did ... Giving or selling is an individuals choice that has nothing to do with this topic.. I'm talking about genetics in general not what people should or shouldn't do with them... Cut all the bullshit..the diffrence between autos and photos is that a auto is not something you can keep.. That's all, your genetics are the same ones anyone with a credit card can buy..true or false? Most of those genetics are also available in photo plants. The only diffrence is that an auto is a throw away plant..unkeepable ....now let's get into the time frame u say autos are faster I call bullshit...first run?? Yes you will harvest a couple of weeks before me...after I find my keeper phenos I won't need to veg anymore because my mom will be mature enough to flower whenever I want...autos will be left in the dust at this point.. Every 60 days I crop...just take clones a month before the harvest...when the time comes you have instant replacements . You can't beat that with autos...

justugh · May 19, 2016

mr sunshine said:
You're just assuming I want to give away my genetics. If you keep it to yourself you won't have the pm problems like that one guy did ... Giving or selling is an individuals choice that has nothing to do with this topic.. I'm talking about genetics in general not what people should or shouldn't do with them... Cut all the bullshit..the diffrence between autos and photos is that a auto is not something you can keep.. That's all, your genetics are the same ones anyone with a credit card can buy..true or false? Most of those genetics are also available in photo plants. The only diffrence is that an auto is a throw away plant..unkeepable ....now let's get into the time frame u say autos are faster I call bullshit...first run?? Yes you will harvest a couple of weeks before me...after I find my keeper phenos I won't need to veg anymore because my mom will be mature enough to flower whenever I want...autos will be left in the dust at this point.. Every 60 days I crop...just take clones a month before the harvest...when the time comes you have instant replacements . You can't beat that with autos...

but like i said 12 weeks
4 weeks in veggie 8 weeks in flowering
the 4 weeks u veggie are 4 weeds i let it grow from seeds (they are feed based plants so making them stay in veggie is possible and making them flip into flowering is just the same)

my time frame is shorter all around and u are locked into anouther round of the same stuff u just made as where i can plant the same seed or a different strain and have it come out in the short time as your clones (some strains can go longer naturally just like yours photos)

that is the different to a auto and a photo ..........plus math if i run the auto flower i can have a outdoor grow flowering before anyone else as they like both lightwaves and the long hours
( a indoor grow 30 days of 20/4 is equalled to 50 days 12/12 in light on cell building time)

auto flowers are the ideal plant for the Rec market .........the medical market will always like photos better

the plants are nearly idenitical in chemical on canabiniods the only different is in the lvls of terepenes (photos make more medical useful ones ) the smell and taste are with in a few mgs of each other

mr sunshine · May 19, 2016

justugh said:
but like i said 12 weeks
4 weeks in veggie 8 weeks in flowering
the 4 weeks u veggie are 4 weeds i let it grow from seeds (they are feed based plants so making them stay in veggie is possible and making them flip into flowering is just the same)

my time frame is shorter all around and u are locked into anouther round of the same stuff u just made as where i can plant the same seed or a different strain and have it come out in the short time as your clones (some strains can go longer naturally just like yours photos)

that is the different to a auto and a photo ..........plus math if i run the auto flower i can have a outdoor grow flowering before anyone else as they like both lightwaves and the long hours
( a indoor grow 30 days of 20/4 is equalled to 50 days 12/12 in light on cell building time)

auto flowers are the ideal plant for the Rec market .........the medical market will always like photos better

the plants are nearly idenitical in chemical on canabiniods the only different is in the lvls of terepenes (photos make more medical useful ones ) the smell and taste are with in a few mgs of each other

You don't have to veg mature plants .. Just add more.

mr sunshine · May 19, 2016

You can also keep as many different mothers as you like. You don't have to be using the same strains every run. I grow different stains together all the time. It's 12 week's from seed, meaning only the first grow will take that long. All the rest will take 8 week's because you no longer need to wait the 4 weeks to veg to maturity . An auto is not faster...

justugh · May 19, 2016

mr sunshine said:
You don't have to veg mature plants .. Just add more.

yah u do

what do u call putting it in a pot and letting the roots grow in so they can intake food (even with hyrdo u have to have time to grow a large root mass )

u can not take a clone and just plant it in the dirt and except it to make u a qp or a hp per plant in 8 weeks......u need the time for the roots to grow into the pot

mr sunshine said:
You can also keep as many different mothers as you like. You don't have to be using the same strains every run. I grow different stains together all the time. It's 12 week's from seed, meaning only the first grow will take that long. All the rest will take 8 week's because you no longer need to wait the 4 weeks to veg to maturity . An auto is not faster...

76 days from seed to smokable including dry time for a qp to hp of some dense frosty shit .......seed to smoke 7 day drying time
some of the larger strains are 90 days or 110 days

and u still can not beat the light timing .........i do not need a 12/12 to flower so natural light this time of years works i can harvest more then photos of different strains in the same place in one grow season

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