flushing question

chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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jayfury said:
Christ, Im so sick of this arguement.... Nobody is ever gonna be CORRECT.... U wanna know why? Its the same arguement as "how to cure".... Or whether to cure or not... 90% of it all comes down to genetics.... If the genetics are there, then your shit will be fire... if not, you can flush it, cure it, do whatever.... it will still kinda suck. I have taken fresh trimmed buds that WERE NOT FLUSHED, fast dried them in a day, and they taste and smell delicious, and bang me up.... I have done the same with FLUSHED buds, same strain, slightly smoother hit, but nonetheless, almost exactly the same....

The problem is the guy who is saying that there are no nutrients stored in the buds.,.. There most certainly are... I used Advanced Nutrients.... Nothing is organic about it. I prefer not to smoke chemicals, which is why I flush. With Advanced Nutrients, if you dont flush, your weed DOES burn black, instead of a nice ash grey. This doesnt mean EVERYONE has to flush, but its safe to say that if your using chemicals in your grow, you would want to flush them out.

Also, its not about how much water or flushing agent you pour through them.... Whether you pour 3 gallons or 10 gallons through it, it doesnt make a difference.... as long as you get a good runoff, your fine..... The plant will take that straight water or flushing agent from the soil, suck it up, and deliver it to the buds.... Thus flushing the chemicals out of THE PLANT ITSELF, not just the soil.... You do this once, and EC/PPM your runoff.... Then do it again, and EC/PPM the runoff... It should be lower than the first time.... Once you get down to 0-0.2 your in true flush mode...

My Flush...... I use Final Phase and flush them once. Then skip a day and Flush em again with Final Phase. (Final Phase is a Flushing agent that strips all the chemicals out of the plant and medium quickly).... Then skip a day and I flush them with PH'd water only.... Then I do it again about a day later.... Done Deal... One week Flush, and you are chemical free... Do your lungs, your friends lungs, and your clients lungs a favor - FLUSH
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so , the plant uptakes the water/flushing agent and then what, pisses out these so called stored up nutes? I would seriously do some research,. A flushing agent is a chelating agent that isn't bonded to anything like salts. it is suppose to bond with any salt build up in the soil and allow it to drain away. Guess what a chelating agent is? It's in synthetic nutes and it's used to break salts down into ions. so knowing this, PLEASE explain HOW does it remove ANYThING from the buds/plant.
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

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skunkd0c said:
organic food is for the minorities .. hippies and hipsters (all the rage) lol
most folk buy the cheaper chemical enhanced foods (non organic)

do Christians flush their plants with holy water .. i wonder ?
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i don't get saying you need to flush with chem's and not organics, after all, isn't the nitrogen atom the same atom whether it comes from cow or bird shit, or if it was made in a factory?? the nitrogen atom, regardless of where it comes from, will still have the same amount of electrons and proton's and chemical weight, no??
so yeah, i never got the flush chem's but not organics thing personally..
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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racerboy71 said:
i don't get saying you need to flush with chem's and not organics, after all, isn't the nitrogen atom the same atom whether it comes from cow or bird shit, or if it was made in a factory?? the nitrogen atom, regardless of where it comes from, will still have the same amount of electrons and proton's and chemical weight, no??
so yeah, i never got the flush chem's but not organics thing personally..
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EXACTLY, nutrients are broken down into ions, organic or synthetic, the plant does NOT know the difference.
 
Trousers

Trousers

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jayfury said:
Christ, Im so sick of this arguement.... Nobody is ever gonna be CORRECT.... U wanna know why? Its the same arguement as "how to cure".... Or whether to cure or not... 90% of it all comes down to genetics.... If the genetics are there, then your shit will be fire... if not, you can flush it, cure it, do whatever.... it will still kinda suck. I have taken fresh trimmed buds that WERE NOT FLUSHED, fast dried them in a day, and they taste and smell delicious, and bang me up.... I have done the same with FLUSHED buds, same strain, slightly smoother hit, but nonetheless, almost exactly the same....
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jayfury said:
The problem is the guy who is saying that there are no nutrients stored in the buds.,.. There most certainly are...
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Nope. I could look up the technical explanation that has been posted on this site 87 times, but basically the fert you give plants is converted into something else. Buds do not store the plants food. If they did, they would turn yellow when you flush.


jayfury said:
I used Advanced Nutrients.... Nothing is organic about it.
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I used to use GH. Nothing organic about that. I flushed it at first because I was given bad advice. I stopped flushing and noticed no difference.

jayfury said:
I prefer not to smoke chemicals, which is why I flush.
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Plants are made of chemicals. Organically grown plants are grown with chemicals. Flushing is not doing what you think it is.

jayfury said:
With Advanced Nutrients, if you dont flush, your weed DOES burn black, instead of a nice ash grey. This doesnt mean EVERYONE has to flush, but its safe to say that if your using chemicals in your grow, you would want to flush them out.
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That is just not true. Where does every one get this shitty, black burning weed? All the weed I smoke from me and my friends is not flushed and it burns to a white ash.

Feed properly and there is no reason to flush.

jayfury said:
Also, its not about how much water or flushing agent you pour through them.... Whether you pour 3 gallons or 10 gallons through it, it doesnt make a difference.... as long as you get a good runoff, your fine.....
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It really does make a difference. If you run 10 gallons through a 5 gallon pot, you are going to wash away food and shut the roots down.



jayfury said:
The plant will take that straight water or flushing agent from the soil, suck it up, and deliver it to the buds.... Thus flushing the chemicals out of THE PLANT ITSELF, not just the soil....
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That is not true. A flushing agent is usually 99.999% water with a tiny bit of sugar added. You are using a very dilute fertilizer as a flushing agent.

You are operating on a faulty premise. Buds do not store nutrients. If they did, they would turn yellow when you flush.

jayfury said:
You do this once, and EC/PPM your runoff.... Then do it again, and EC/PPM the runoff... It should be lower than the first time.... Once you get down to 0-0.2 your in true flush mode...
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You're stressing your plants out by depriving them of food. In hydro the plant can not live without food, the medium is inert. Why deprive the plant of food at a crucial time?

jayfury said:
My Flush...... I use Final Phase and flush them once.
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That is basically a very weak fertilizer.


jayfury said:
Then skip a day and Flush em again with Final Phase. (Final Phase is a Flushing agent that strips all the chemicals out of the plant and medium quickly).... Then skip a day and I flush them with PH'd water only.... Then I do it again about a day later.... Done Deal... One week Flush, and you are chemical free...
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You are far from chemical free and your plants are stressed.

I wonder why my unflushed buds taste and smell so great and burn to a white ash?


jayfury said:
Do your lungs, your friends lungs, and your clients lungs a favor - FLUSH
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Don't stress your plants. Feed responsibly and you will be fine.
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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jayfury said:
Christ, Im so sick of this arguement.... Nobody is ever gonna be CORRECT.... U wanna know why? Its the same arguement as "how to cure".... Or whether to cure or not... 90% of it all comes down to genetics.... If the genetics are there, then your shit will be fire... if not, you can flush it, cure it, do whatever.... it will still kinda suck. I have taken fresh trimmed buds that WERE NOT FLUSHED, fast dried them in a day, and they taste and smell delicious, and bang me up.... I have done the same with FLUSHED buds, same strain, slightly smoother hit, but nonetheless, almost exactly the same....

The problem is the guy who is saying that there are no nutrients stored in the buds.,.. There most certainly are... I used Advanced Nutrients.... Nothing is organic about it. I prefer not to smoke chemicals, which is why I flush. With Advanced Nutrients, if you dont flush, your weed DOES burn black, instead of a nice ash grey. This doesnt mean EVERYONE has to flush, but its safe to say that if your using chemicals in your grow, you would want to flush them out.

Also, its not about how much water or flushing agent you pour through them.... Whether you pour 3 gallons or 10 gallons through it, it doesnt make a difference.... as long as you get a good runoff, your fine..... The plant will take that straight water or flushing agent from the soil, suck it up, and deliver it to the buds.... Thus flushing the chemicals out of THE PLANT ITSELF, not just the soil.... You do this once, and EC/PPM your runoff.... Then do it again, and EC/PPM the runoff... It should be lower than the first time.... Once you get down to 0-0.2 your in true flush mode...

My Flush...... I use Final Phase and flush them once. Then skip a day and Flush em again with Final Phase. (Final Phase is a Flushing agent that strips all the chemicals out of the plant and medium quickly).... Then skip a day and I flush them with PH'd water only.... Then I do it again about a day later.... Done Deal... One week Flush, and you are chemical free... Do your lungs, your friends lungs, and your clients lungs a favor - FLUSH
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Hmm, you start off by saying nobody is every going to be correct, (this includes yourself) then you end with a direct endorsement for flushing
along with a patronizing comment about doing your lungs a favour , and product endorsements

oh i get it now, this was an ironic impersonation of a self contradicting moron
lol
 
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Jbone77

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Im in hempy buckets and I dont use any flushing agent but I do stop using nutes in the last 7-10 days and just water til I have normal run off. Reason being Dynagro, AN, GH, and most every other chemical nute manufacturer says to stop using their product in the last week. Im no scientist but when they all say to not use their product in the last week, I assume they have a reason n thats all the science I need
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Jbone77 said:
Im in hempy buckets and I dont use any flushing agent but I do stop using nutes in the last 7-10 days and just water til I have normal run off. Reason being Dynagro, AN, GH, and most every other chemical nute manufacturer says to stop using their product in the last week. Im no scientist but when they all say to not use their product in the last week, I assume they have a reason n thats all the science I need
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Is that considered "flushing"? I thought flushing was dumping 5x the size of your pot with water
 
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Jbone77

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I think the people arguing with you just dont understand that they are using the wrong wording. A flush to fix a lockout with 5x the volume in water is different than a final flush where you just discontinue nutes and water til normal run off.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Jbone77 said:
I think the people arguing with you just dont understand that they are using the wrong wording. A flush to fix a lockout with 5x the volume in water is different than a final flush where you just discontinue nutes and water til normal run off.
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I don't do either, but either way, is not removing anything from the plant, maybe just using water at the end allows extra salts in the medium to be used up. But I never Over feed to have a need to use just water. When you say all the nute companies recommend cutting off in the end. Do they specify ALL mediums, or even which type of medium specifically?
 
insid33

insid33

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Fellow farmer's; To each his own I believe you are all correct, what a dull life it would be if we all did the same shit the same way in our everyday lives. Long time smoker, second time round grower.p screwing shit up on occasion. But learning lots. Personally I thing I enjoy trying different things....
 
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Jbone77

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Dynagro says to stop using it in soil 2 weeks before harvest in soil and 1 week in hydro. Doesnt specify different hydro mediums. AN just says hydro and nothing about soil that iv seen. Everyone who has grown for a while recognizes what a bud looks like after the final swell, thats when I stop nutes and just water til normal run off, bout a week later my trichs are good. I have tried not flushing and my trichs just dont go amber for a while, dont gain any more weight after the final swell tho, thats the only difference iv seen, tastes and burns the same. Iv never dumped 5x the water through a the bucket and have no plans to try it
 
jondamon

jondamon

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One thing I'm waiting for from all the people that "flush" especially those from the USA is a report from those so called "bud testing" facilities that tell you what toxins they've found in your buds.

I remember SIR GANJA used to use an argument that he sends his product away for testing for this very reason.

However "HE" nor anyone else has EVER shown these reports to convince anyone otherwise.


If there were a "testing facility" in the UK that offered this kind of report on an anonymous basis so that growers were unable to be busted by it, then I would gladly send my own personal smoke away for testing.

Until someone comes up with an actual scientific laboratory report about toxins found in flushed vs unflushed I'm going to stick with what works for me.

All I can say is that I've been on both ends of the spectrum and I'm now getting bigger yields than I ever thought I would with more flavour and aroma than ever used to when I used to flush.

Even salt build up can be over come without flushing vast amounts of water through your rootzone.

You've only got to look around for some publications that are geared towards growing in general, not MJ related, to see that flushing induces stress.

Its much easier to correct salt build up by feeding at reduced strengths. This way the EC in the rootzone doesn't drop too sharply which is the main culprit in leaf discolouration following flushing.



J
 
BigEasy1

BigEasy1

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junior870 said:
Weed should be flushed. you don't smoke tomatoes, cucumber, apples, oranges, you consume them, but they aren't consumed by smoking them. marijuana is completely different than any other type of plant. I have personally tested this just this last grow. my buds that were flushed burned evenly and tasted good. while on the other hand my buds that weren't flushed had an off put taste and burned black, instead of a nice gray ash. do you're own tests, and see for you're self.
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I ingest most of mine so do I need to flush?
 
bird mcbride

bird mcbride

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I've skipped through the thread and I can understand all the confusion. In my opinion for the purpose of harvesting I run ferts right to the end. I start by removing as many fans as practical before I chop the plants. I cut the plants at the base and in the budding room I have a trough that I fill with RO water in which I place the plants for the last twenty-four hour cycle. I have a mesh in the trough so the stems don't suck the crap up from the bottom and wires permantly on the wall to suspend the cut plants. They will suck up alot of RO water during this cycle so it is very important that you don't let them go dry. I go in just as the hps comes on to remove them, finish cleaning them and hang them to dry. If you think the blob in the bottom is worth something go for it, but I suspect it's more like gung than anything else. Some of you canna butter nuts might wanna drink it. after all, it's only RO water and plant excrements. When I chop from my flood and drain table I pull it up by giving gentle tugs to get as many roots as possible when the table is flooded. Then I chop the main stalk, shake out the gravel and replant imediately.
 
ghb

ghb

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threads been done a million times before and it is the same people in here arguing every time.

i prefer to flush so i flush, i like my weed better than anybody elses that i have ever tried so i will continue to do whatever it is that i want. i certainly wouldn't listen to anybody on this forum.
 
Jack Harer

Jack Harer

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WakeNBakeDay2Day said:
I'm kinda in the same boat. I'm looking for a second opinion if available. I hhave "flushed" these last two weeks with bud candy and ph balanced city water. Now, I called the dude at the local grow shop for some advise about putting the plants bqack on nutes and which ones(if any). He said I did it just right, two weeks of flushing then put back on nutes for two weeks at 50% petency. Im using "roots organic arura" ( don't know if I can name drop, sorry if I effed up) 1 part for bloom. ive had them on this since week 6(besides flush). before it was 2 part GH. If u need to know what they were on before in detail, ask. im in week 12 going on 13 and I have only about 1% amber triches. in all, they are on that 1 part bloom, bud candy, floralicious plus and calimag pumped up to 200PPM instead of 50. What is your opinion on this(anyone please)? the main problem is they wont ripen... its diesel #1. if im not mistaken, that is sativa dominant and normally takes a while, right...? I have pics. its one LARGE plant. any advise is good, or if u need more info i'll tell you. 600 w hps lamp and I know its not ph issuses. I know theyre are a lot of variables, just ask for detail. please and thank you
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To me that sounds counter productive (although I have never used bud candy or really know anything about it) but "flushing" with additives? Really? The whole idea is to get rid of any stored crap in the plant tissues.
And yeah that diesel is Sat dominant and is gonna take her time ripening. Love my Sats, hate the flowering times......
 
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