First Time DMT

nj, i dont think you will even use more than one quart of naphtha, especially not the first time. i really dont think you need a gallon. plus you can reuse the naphtha thats left in your dish after you freeze precip. dont rush things, do it right the first time and it will pay off. from 3 sets of pulls i got a decent amount. i would say i got close to 500mg's which would have been 100 if i sold big hits for 10. so i feel like i got my moneys worth. and my stuff did not need a wash, it tasted fine and did not burn your throat at all, i think i would have just lost some product by doing that. im still smokin on what i got in that little glass jar. this stuff is amazing.

i also recommend trying a small hit first so you can get a feel for how powerful it is.

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal06.shtml

Dr Shulgin has some advice on washing.... In his book Tihkal, link to page above. (BTW, every home organic chemist with an interest in psycedelics should get those books, Pihkal and Tihkal, The last deals extensively with tryptamines like DMT, bufotonine, LSD, etc.)

personaly I think the naphta pulls are fine as is, concedering the amount of times one is likely to smoke this stuff in your life.

The moment you think about useing it too much it is going to punish you with a hellride...

It is just one of those things that knows how to disguise itself as a drug, but I recon the true story runs much deeper.

If you realy want truely pure stuff, do the naphta pulls, then take those crystals and recrystalise slowly in heptane. I have posted pics before of the glass shard crystals that produces...

I'm getting a pound of new bark probably tommorrow, I will try to take pics and make a tek for that phase...

Remember not to throw your bark juice away when done with all your naphta pulls... there is still more DMT in that can be pulled with a more polar solvent like xylene.
Naphta is actualy a pretty weak solvent for extractions being non polar and all.

You might want to experiment with adding some salt to your bark mix next time, I certainly will, it is very good at makeing the water more polar and driving more DMT into the solvent, as well as preventing those annoying emulsions. (which to some extend you can limit by useing more water, thinner mixes seperates faster. I generaly get away with using a small can of ronsonol over 100 or 200g (I think its 133ml total).


If you use the average 750ml (pint) bottle I suggest you put in no more than 40g of bark powder, or the mix goes too thick, see above..

P.S. when are we getting some trip reports, you can't keep it all to yourself you know.

ok so i have this mix that i already pulled 4 plates from with naphtha. when u use xylene is it the exact same method but with xylene replacing naphtha?

trip reports haha... myself, i have yet to hit it big again. the first time was so intense, i just dont think im ready for another one like that yet. i cant really remember much from that, but i do remember listening to Eulogy by Tool and theres a part in the song were he says "dont you step out of line, dont you fuckin lie" well the next words i heard were your gonna die (thats not really in the song). to me it felt like this was referring to the DMT and that gave me a totally new respect for this shit. it felt like i was not able to let go and i think thats why my trip went that way.
other than that ive had the best times just drinkin and smokin a small hit every 20 mins for a few hours. to me it feels like a peak of an acid trip while your rolling with no negative effects except that i want it to last longer.

my friends, i like to give huge hits and watch them die. they seem to enjoy the very intense trips more than i do. ive heard alot from them of seeing geometrical patterns, like looking into a kaleidescope, and also of my room being an infinity huge abyss. one friend felt like he was ripped out of his chair and could see nothing but a huge ocean underneath him. i played a song for my buddy that he knows well and the second he blew out a huge hit he was saying "this is a remix man i know it for sure!" good times.

i had a very scary indecent when my girlfriend took a huge bonghit. she way laying on her back in my bed and seemed to just pass out after she took it. then she started throwing up and i had to drag her to the bathroom. im really glad i was there bcuz she would have been laying there for more than 5 minutes like that and thats more than enough time to choke on your vomit. but to my surprise after about 5 mins she came to and told me that she knew she was throwing up and she could see me dragging her to the bathroom, but she couldnt do anything. she said it was one of the best experiences shes ever had. it was one of the scariest times in my life cuz i thought i had seriously fucked her up. i was soo relieved when she came to with the biggest smile on her face and she told me it was amazing.

i can now see why a milligram scale is a very important tool in dosing dmt hits. if i had the money i would pick one up today, but unfortunately i dont.

Bad idea... to listen to stuff like tool ( actualy any music) on DMT... your mind will grab at anything to try to stay in the world of concensual reality, when it is quiet and dark, the immersion becomes perfect.

Seriously dude you could probably get a scale for a tenner or two from ebay... but I get being broke... I'm a disablity pensioner, so its been a part of my life for so long, I don;t know what it feels like not being.

yea i learned that.. haha. next time no music.

ok i read a bit more. im getting that you cant freeze precip from xylene.

is this similar to the method you use ANC?

FASA Method Precipition From Xylene - No More Need to Evaporate!

But new methods of extracting spice without using lye or hydrocarbon solvents wasn't the only developement this inspired. Some intrepid experimenters also discovered that FASA can also be used to precipitate DMT out of some other solvents besides acetone! This was initially discovered with xylene (again, posted by Infundibulum):

Infundibulum wrote:
a) first xylene pull (coloured piss yellow) goes in an appropriate container.

b) FASA was added dropwise, xylene became cloudy due to the salted alkaloids. One cannot put too much FASA.

c) solutions was left overnite at room temperature allowing for the alkaloid-fumarate to sediment. Now one got them out of the xylene without the need to evaporate it!

d) Xylene was siphoned off and washed with plenty of water. This was done because this xylene had traces of acetone and fumaric acid that one does not really want. Water washed away fumaric acid and acetone, leaving back clean xylene (plus the yellowy plant oils that dissolved into it). This xylene was used for the second pull etc etc. By this approach one knows when to stop pulling since at some point there will be no alkaloids in the xylene to be salted out. it took SWIM 7 100ml xylene pulls to exhaust 240g MHRB.

e) fumarate alkaloids were washed 3 times with some acetone to remove any residual xylene and oily impurities.

f) Then they were dried in the oven at 70 Celsius until pretty hard.

yes, freeze percip is not what you do with the xylene....

Fumaric acid saturated dry acetone is added to the xylene pulls drop wise, and salts trop out of that, the salts art then scraped up and combined with about an equal amount of sodium carbonate (just bake some bicarb of soda at the same time as you bake the epsom salts to dry the acetone).

Next a tiny bit of water is added, just enough to make a nice sloppy paste, and mix well... you have now added a base to the DMT, and it is now in freebase form (although stuck in the paste).

Next you will stir in a tiny bit of normal dried acetone (not FASA, as this will only add more of a fumaric acid deposit).. roll off the acetone and collect in an evap dish by pouring or sucking out with a pippette.
Repeat at least 5 times and collect all in one evap dish.

Evap the acetone (this is why its important to use dried acetone as any water in the acetone makes for gooie juice that takes forever to dry)

The above step works because the DMT freebase is disolveable in acetone

The product you get now is called jungle spice as it also contains some other alkaloids form the mimosa, this stuff is very strong, and you will be able to blow your roof off wit probably a 3rd or less of your normal dose... This stuff is a little strong for you still till you are more experienced.. I suggest you smoke a bout 25mg of normal freebase DMT very day for about a week to get an idea of the scope of possible experiences... You see, every time tends to be diffirent in such a radical way to be totaly unpredictable. These small doses will build up your confidence ans liekly show you some of the realy pretty fractal type visions the drug is more known for, I don't think one should aim to get fully transported into hyperspace before you get accustomed to smaller doses first. It is an extreme experience, which you would likeley only apreciate in hindsight, with a lot of time between you and the event.

At this point I would suggest you seperate the jungle form the spice by adding a bit of naphta and placeing the dish/cup in a heated bath (proabably about 50C max) until the DMT melts into the naphta, (a small layer of jungle will cling to the bottom, pour over into freeze percip dish, and stick it in freezer for a normal FP.

Now you should have freebase DMT that is more suitable to your weekend warrior than your shaman types.

Next you can go more crazy by takeing those crystals and disolveing it into a small bit of heptane also at a slightly elevated temperature.
This is allowed to gradualy cool over several days, the slower, the the bigger your crystals get... these are those glass pieces of DMT.

Now you can see why I suggest people start with normal Naphta teks, to get into the swing of things, before learning to maximise yields.

P.S. if you ever want to smake DMT on your own, make sure to lie on your side, in a first aid position, just in case you get what hapened with your GF when she exceeded her safe dose. Which is dependant on body weight.
I'd hate for anyone to become the first DMT fatality.

great info, im learning alot.. so this can be used on whats left from the naphtha pulls? would any left over naphtha in the mix be a bad thing?

about the heptane method... this is recrystallizing or is that something else?

I'm sure you can get the majority of the naphta off, its ok to remove a bit of the bark mix with it...
Yes the heptane bit is recrytalisation (can also be done, but less effectively with naphta in theory)

P.S. we are going to get you to the ways to make it last longer over time, you first need to get used to the pool, pretty fishes and sharks alike.

You see, once you get to the depth that your conciosness exists, totaly seperate form your body to the extent that you are basicaly just existing as an energy form.

There is no more (insert name here), yet you still are, still obesrverving, stil loveing, still fearing...
As one's heads gets around the fact that there is existance (outside of the physical forms of life we are used to), the world becomes a wonderfully strange place, that means a whole world filled with none corporal "life"

P.S. if you insist on music for your trips, I can suggest Shpongle, maybe the album Nothing Lasts... But Nothing Is Lost.

I've downloaded some Sphongle CD's from the free 4shared website (we bought the CDs later)

ok, thanx ANC. beautiful pic btw.

damm ANC you made me a Sphongle fan. that shit is awesome!

lol I was thinking about recrystallizing in naptha as $$ is tight for me aswell but ANC I gotta say thanks fore all the help your providing man It's definitley appreciated... I did hear about a few cases of vomitting but your girlfriend is very lucky you were there man.... I was gonna start w/ about 20-30 mg for my first try but it sounds so intriguing... I had also heard of the adding salt to reduce emulsions but from what I understand if you use an equal bark:lye ratio the emulsions are alot less likely...got my naoh today now I'm waiting form my bark in the mail and some naptha from the store.its so painstaking to wait and anticipate but I'm sure it's worth it...

Yes, it is certainly good to get the PH sufficently high, allthough the ratio by weight thing is not so accurate, too many variables, like local PH of your water, the amount of water to lye etc.
What sometimes happens after a few pulls especialy if you only barely reached the optimum pH for extraction, is that the pH starts to drop with every pull.
When the pH is sufficiently low those emulsions are almost guaranteed... especial when shakeing too rigorously.

Preventing emulsions is always better than dealing with them. I must say adding salt to an emulsified bottle worked a whole lot better ahn just trying to drive the pH up again.
As I explained before the salt makes the water more polar, which helps in seperating the two liquids.

P.S. yep Shpongle rawks hard....

Look for the song flute fruit, its only about two minutes, it will help you get into hyperspace calmly, and then when it stops, you are allready in the right state of mind to travel on your own.

sounds good, I had seen the tip on salt but wasn't sure about it...just a few sprinkles of table salt or rock salt or are we talking tablespoons worth??

man, I'd start with one or two teaspoons...

Its sad to say but I have absolutely no idea what any of u are talking about as far as the extraction method. Not a good thing since Im planning on doing the extraction in a few months.

I did listen to some shpongle and I like it though.

dam philly, you need to do some more reading before jumping into something like that. dont wanna see anyone waste their money.

feel free to post questions here if u want.

ANC i have a question.. how much heptane do you use per plate? this stuff is very expensive and sometimes needs an extra charge for hazardous materials shipping.

not much hey, you will be working in a tot glass, 100ml will do you fine.

Yeah I know its expensive its like $25 for 2.5 litres here.
If I were you, I'd spend it on the 0.001g scale.

holy crap im lookin at 500ml for 20 plus about 22 for shipping... i gotta look around more.

yea i think im gonna go for the scale next time i get some money.