First Soil Second Grow (Subcool SS) how does she look?

heckler73

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Are you using his original recipe? How big is the pot?
I'm just wondering about that colour. It looks a little pale to my eyes (Nitrogen?). I could be seeing things though.
 

lmnop5092

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Are you using his original recipe? How big is the pot?
I'm just wondering about that colour. It looks a little pale to my eyes (Nitrogen?). I could be seeing things though.
Yea I am pretty sure its the original as a part of me thinks he uses shells, crap meal of whatever sorry i can't think of it I am pretty baked, but mines just ewc, blood, bone, guano, humic, azomite, lime, think i missed one thing

its a 5 gallon smart pot

Correct it looks real pale green i wouldn't be as worried but shit its only halfway there...
 

lmnop5092

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Are you using his original recipe? How big is the pot?
I'm just wondering about that colour. It looks a little pale to my eyes (Nitrogen?). I could be seeing things though.
I top dressed a day or two ago so i think once it gets to the roots it'll bounce back, hopeuflly
 

heckler73

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Yea I am pretty sure its the original as a part of me thinks he uses shells, crap meal of whatever sorry i can't think of it I am pretty baked, but mines just ewc, blood, bone, guano, humic, azomite, lime, think i missed one thing
.

Rock Phosphate?


I top dressed a day or two ago so i think once it gets to the roots it'll bounce back, hopeuflly
If that's the case, it should help. But they look like they're filling in nicely.
 

lmnop5092

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Rock Phosphate?



If that's the case, it should help. But they look like they're filling in nicely.
yep thats what i was forgetting last night, and epson salt

I followed it pretty good the only thing i can think is that the plant while it was still vegging was
1) while it was still vegging was in coco for a bit till i switched it
2) the SS i used hadn't been activating for the full time
3) temps have been around 78-83 F
 

heckler73

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yep thats what i was forgetting last night, and epson salt

I followed it pretty good the only thing i can think is that the plant while it was still vegging was
1) while it was still vegging was in coco for a bit till i switched it
2) the SS i used hadn't been activating for the full time
3) temps have been around 78-83 F
Epsom Salt (MgSO4 7[H2O]) is kind of useful, although, I seem to recall Magnesium showed up elsewhere in Sub's Recipe (Dolomite Lime). Do you check the pH of your water before you add it?
 

lmnop5092

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wait just to clarify, i did follow all the ingredients when i made it; just too stoned to remember all the ingredients last night to list

I don't ph the water, comes out to be around 7 after left out
 

lmnop5092

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So i used
2 bags of potting soil
EWC
bat poop
blood
bone
rock phos
epson
dolo lime
azomite

sprayed with a SS tea and a EWC tea once each
top dressed with SS 2 days ago

haven't ph'd my water, as it comes out to be around 7
600w hps
temps around 78-83 -- 40-55% humidity
 

heckler73

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So i used
2 bags of potting soil
EWC
bat poop
blood
bone
rock phos
epson
dolo lime
azomite

sprayed with a SS tea and a EWC tea once each
top dressed with SS 2 days ago

haven't ph'd my water, as it comes out to be around 7
600w hps
temps around 78-83 -- 40-55% humidity

Hmmm... What kind of potting soil (i.e. brand and type, etc.)?
I'm assuming you scaled down the amendments, but what ratios did you wind up using?
For example, I use 5 g/L each of Blood and Bone Meal in base soil, but my base soil is 50/50 ProMix (no nutes) and SeaSoil (a local rich, organic soil).
I don't use guano or EWC (just because I'm too lazy to source it ;) ). That's partly why I'm curious, because if you didn't use a neutral base with the potting soil, I'm wondering if Vostok is right, and you may have a mix that's too rich. But from your pics, I don't see "burn". But it could be possible you are getting some manner of "lock-out" from the soil's pH, though.


Do you have a pH pen? You can mix a slurry of 1:2 soil:water, let it sit for ~15 minutes, then put your pen in to see what the approximate pH is under "live" conditions. That would settle the question of what the soil pH is, at least.
 

lmnop5092

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i think for the batch of SS i used initially had a local brand as the base potting soil as the base and then i am oretty sure i topped it off with Roots, i think that might be an issue because i was having problems with that soil with my other plants till i said fuck the local brand i'm gona stick with roots since i know its success

i will try that ph the soil/water, i do have a pen first round was coco, and see; i wouldnt be surprised if its cause the soil
though my peppers and tomatoes are loving that shit haha
 

heckler73

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i think for the batch of SS i used initially had a local brand as the base potting soil as the base and then i am oretty sure i topped it off with Roots, i think that might be an issue because i was having problems with that soil with my other plants till i said fuck the local brand i'm gona stick with roots since i know its success

i will try that ph the soil/water, i do have a pen first round was coco, and see; i wouldnt be surprised if its cause the soil
though my peppers and tomatoes are loving that shit haha

That's what I am finding, too. It's my first year experimenting with SS, and I've started on the tomatoes (normally I add ferts in the feed water). Sure enough, it works as advertised. :lol: But I am also now watching for inconsistencies or signs of problem. My soil pH though is rocking at 6.3 (using the slurry method), so if anything happens in the short term, it won't be from lockout. You can also use the slurry method with a ppm pen, too. Might as well check it, then you'll know with more certainty if it's a deficiency or toxicity issue.
 

lmnop5092

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That's what I am finding, too. It's my first year experimenting with SS, and I've started on the tomatoes (normally I add ferts in the feed water). Sure enough, it works as advertised. :lol: But I am also now watching for inconsistencies or signs of problem. My soil pH though is rocking at 6.3 (using the slurry method), so if anything happens in the short term, it won't be from lockout. You can also use the slurry method with a ppm pen, too. Might as well check it, then you'll know with more certainty if it's a deficiency or toxicity issue.
I will see, thanks yo
 

foreverflyhi

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Hey nice grow!

I hve the awnser to your small problem.

More then likely, your soil ingrediants can b off set by either quality, time for composting/cooking and even by growers wrong measurements.
And also your water caan be part of it, might be hard water, i suggest you look into a filter.
I highly suggest you look into enzyme teas//feed, for example, coconut water, aloe, super sprout teas (sst) em1 or lacto bacillus, this will help break your ingrediants so they can become avaiable to the plant.
Your plant looks good! It will produce dank nugs and will only get better, especially if you recycle.
 

lmnop5092

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I did water with some tea I made the other day trying to get all I could from the soil but here she is updated so he's 6 wks flowering
Should I add more ss next cycle? How would you recycle the soil, sorry I know there's probably a forum but just lookin for a quick example my computer doesn't work so it's not to easy to search for stuff, I'm getting somewhat concerned about her yield
 

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