First attempt at a scrog...

psychoholic22

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So far it looks pretty good I switched over to budding last night its THC bomb from seed. I have a question how much stuff under the canopy should I cut out all of it besides what is up at the canopy I don't want to have a lot of popcorn buds hanging around I want the plan to mainly focus on the tops . I was thinking about making some clones out of my trimmings I have rooting hormone for that. I have a 2x3 tent and a 280 watt HPS yes 280 watts...
 

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wiid206

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Okay, you need to get serious with your ScroG. It seems like you kind of have the right idea, but you want to be a little more assertive. One thing to remember is, start your ScroG any time you want. But the best time to do it is when the plant is about 10" tall. You want your ScroG to be about 8" above your soil. Another thing to remember is if you hang your ScroG from counterbalanced ropes or chains, you can easily adjust the height to relieve pressure. If you have a Sativa under that ScroG you are going to wish you had it on ropes. It looks like you might have a hyrbrid, I can't tell for certain, but if I had to guess, I would say it's 45% indica. Then again, I could tell you better if I could see where the stem leaves the soil and an aerial shot of the leafs.
A ScroG with feet is hard to clean under. If you spill a bucket of water you're fucked. Lol, ask me how I know. :D
So, I have noticed the best ScroG is if you have double dual branching plant. In other words, divide the stem into four even sides by topping. It looks like you have topped it at least once, so that's good. The main Kola will be a tad smaller than if you had just one Kola if you top, but that's okay, we're going for weight, not bud size. That's what a ScroG is all about. You ScroG in veg only. There are many arguments to this, but the truth is, if you stress your plant during flower you could end up with a hermie, and ScroG'n during flower will reduce your overall yield. What you will want to do is, when she hits 10" lower a ScroG 8" above the soil. Let the branch grow through the ScroG until a node meets the ScroG. Then, tuck your top. Only tuck the tops, do not tuck the lateral branches. When you tuck, start moving it to the center. Once it reaches the center, keep training it to grow in circles, around and around until you have about 80% of the screen filled up. Then, switch to flower and leave it the fuck alone. You don't want a hermie by stressing your plant out and you don't want your ScroG to get out of control bushy.
But you ain't done yet, mister, now you need to go under the ScroG and remove every single leaf that doesn't get direct light, and remove every single small branch and lateral branch that doesn't reach the ScroG. What you want to do is clone them, veg the clones for two weeks, pot them in 12" planter bags and switch them all to flower. This will do several things: It will allow your mother to use all available nutrients to feed the tops, no leech growth to feed underneath, taking away from the top development. The other thing this accomplishes is, you can get a top off of every branch by cloning. This is called a ScroG and SoG. Do as I said and you will have a sea of green potent enough to make the nosehairs curl up on a dead nun.
You will wind up with anywhere from 40 to 120 tops doing it like this. Good luck, and smoke one for me. :D
 
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wiid206

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And I forgot to mention, your ScroG size will depend on the amount of light, lumens, PAR and light frequency, per square foot. Let me give you a few examples and you can judge for yourself about where it needs to be. For a 150watt hps, your ScroG may anywhere from 12"-24", up to 32" if you have one light on one plant. Generally, you will get about 32 to 65watts per sf of light distribution from an HPS, depending on the wattage, size and name brand. 280 watt hps might just be good enough for just one juicy plant. a 400watt hps only covers 4'x4' with evenly distributed light, and that's kinda pushing it. Anything beyond that area, the light loses intensity. If you were using a 600 watt hps on one plant, your ScroG could be as big as 40" square. If you're using, say, 150 watts of cfl (with CFL you want roughly 65-150 watts p.sf) your ScroG could be as little as 12" but no more than 23". So building a 40" ScroG for a 280watt hps is completely pointless as your plants will not grow beyond the peak light intensity. If you want to see what I'm talking about light distribution, hang your lamp in a barn, wet the floor everyday until mold grows. you will see the mold growing faintly on the edges and concentrated in the center. This would be where your PAR (frequency of light penetration, basically) area is strongest. Remember, plants don't give a damn about lumens. Lumens are just the brightness of light to the human eye measured in candles. You can get a dark spectrum LED that grows just as good as a super bright HPS or MH. What matters is PAR and light penetration. The color and frequency of the light, and how far it reaches. Hope this helps
 

GreenthumbQC

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Good stuff man ive been wanting to try a scrog myself. How was it compared to your initial thoughts? I have doubts as to how it will all work. Looks like patience is key! bongsmilie
 

wiid206

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My initial thought was, WTF is a ScroG?! My reaction afterward was one of awe and wonderment. When you ScroG, you will see about an 80 to 300% increase in your yield. For example, if I grow a plant naturally, I may get anywhere between .5 and 3 ounces, depending on the strain. Some strains give you 8 ounces without having to do any serious LST or anything. If you were to ScroG those same plants, there is a good chance you could see anywhere from 5 to 20 ounces. The 1 lbs plant is not a myth. I have seen plants yield over a lbs, but these plants were grown in the most controlled and secure environment. Grow rooms so sterile you can eat a turkey leg off the floor and it might cure you of an ailment.
Another thing you can do is called pinching, or supercropping. It's easy, just break all the branches. They will grow back as if clones still attached to the plant. What you do is grab the branch between your fingers about an inch from the stalk. Pinch it harder and harder until you feel the vascular tissue collapse. You may have to bend it or give it a twist, but you need to do some serious damage to the membrane. The branch will fall limp and lay there for a day or two. Then it will suddenly spring back up, and right where you broke it will be a knuckle and every branch you break will become a top.
Best Scrog method:
Top three times consecutively. Now you have 8 main branches. Grow the plant to 10" or until you have at least 8 nodes. Now supercrop every branch. Every single branch will come back as a Kola. While the branches are limp, tie the branches down with something like string and thumbtacks. I tie a knot in both ends of the string to hold the tack, stretch the string across making a tight 'trip line'. I do four like a tic tac toe board. Then I tuck the branches under the string. Now, when your plant gets back to 10 inches, you will have 16 main Kola. You fill your ScroG with these in about 3 weeks. So from seed to flower day 1, you will have 16 main kola, plus every little branch will make an extra top. Me? I say fuck the tops and cut them all off and clone them, leaving only the kola. If I have 8 huge Kola, I will say to dick with the little shit and just clone them. So from day 1 to flower may be a total of 60 days. Less in the right environment and with the right nutrients. Supercropping and ScroG'n together is, hands down, without a doubt, the absolute best method for increasing your yield.
 
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wiid206

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These are a few pics I found online to show you the effects of a ScroG, The effects of supercropping, and the effects of letting your plant grow al naturale
 

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Scrogmonkey

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I aim at clearing all the crap under the screen by week 2 of flower.
Check out my latest scrog,it was a 3x3 net,until I chopped half of it out,because I didn't like the look of the freebie Sativa Herbies threw at me.:bigjoint:
Peace:peace:
 
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psychoholic22

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So its 2 1/2 weeks into flower did some trimming on bottom tops are looking good to my untrained eye lol... Minus the little one right there on the front growing under the canopy is there anything else I can do here? I'm going to clone that little guy here very shortly...

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wiid206

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So its 2 1/2 weeks into flower did some trimming on bottom tops are looking good to my untrained eye lol... Minus the little one right there on the front growing under the canopy is there anything else I can do here? I'm going to clone that little guy here very shortly...

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NICE flowering! At 2 1/2 weeks your plants are early, almost right on perfect time. Which means you are taking excellent care of them. I like that bud formation, so early in the 2nd week. Make sure to lollipop for maximum budding, bud I predict you will get a damn fine yield from this one
 

wiid206

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And you guys remember what I said. ScroG'n is most effective during veg. After the first couple of weeks of flowering, it's advised to quit training and to just let them grow out. The end result is, you want your buds to stand no taller 1" from the screen. It's important to tuck them as much as possible until they flower. And by flowering, I mean, until you get little snowballs on the buds sites. Make sure those snowballs are right against the screen. Also make certain each leaf gets enough light. Any leaf below the ScroG can safely be removed
 
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