Extreme Yellowing Early In Flower and fan leaves wilting/clawing! Help guys!

RetiredMatthebrute

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[QUOTive ="RetiredMatthebrute, post: 10817812, member: 424894"]i just looked more closely and why the hell do pieces of wood on the top of your soil? thats just something else than can be fucking with the soil PH
Dude its not PIECES IF WOOD, its mulch and ive had it on top of my soil for 3 months, its fine and it keeps the water from evaporating quickly[/QUOTE]

and after 3 months of puring water over mulch it can and will cause the PH to change....
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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BTW you fucking mad bro? cuz you really seem mad...gtfo of here and go grow your shit weed, everyone is trying to brainstorm for you and you shoot them down like your some kind of fucking know it all.....but yet here you are whining like a little fucking twerp that your plants are fucked..

news fash fuckhead plant issues dont happen over night, its a gradual fucking process of doing something wrong over and over and eventually your plants say "fuck this fucking moron im done" and fucking die.
 

dave and Em

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BTW you fucking mad bro? cuz you really seem mad...gtfo of here and go grow your shit weed, everyone is trying to brainstorm for you and you shoot them down like your some kind of fucking know it all.....but yet here you are whining like a little fucking twerp that your plants are fucked..

news fash fuckhead plant issues dont happen over night, its a gradual fucking process of doing something wrong over and over and eventually your plants say "fuck this fucking moron im done" and fucking die.
Just saying, I'd love some love on my page that this guy is getting
 

jdubwetherell1988

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BTW you fucking mad bro? cuz you really seem mad...gtfo of here and go grow your shit weed, everyone is trying to brainstorm for you and you shoot them down like your some kind of fucking know it all.....but yet here you are whining like a little fucking twerp that your plants are fucked..

news fash fuckhead plant issues dont happen over night, its a gradual fucking process of doing something wrong over and over and eventually your plants say "fuck this fucking moron im done" and fucking die.
preciate it, thats what I want to hear! Ive been waiting for someone to get all excite with me!
 

jdubwetherell1988

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Out of all my organic grows I have never ever had to test the ph of my water or medium, lime is good for keepin it even keel, never had ph problems with the mulch every grow, never had lockouts, just deficiency in nitrogen tworards week 5 and on in flower, thats why I do organics because if you completely understand organic, in layman's terms, then it is simple stuff, horticulture class is great for.learning organics. KISS
 
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UNICRONLIVES

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there is no "reviving" leaves..once they wilt or yellow. the only way to know if you are doin good and or bad is to look at the new growth and that will let you know if you have "fixed" your issue or not Blastin and cursin at people that are tryin to help you isnt prolly helpin either...as w/ any forum you are always gunna get several views and opinions. So take from it what you want but dont go changing everything otherwise youll never know what fixed the issue should it arise in later grows. Now if it was my plant..I would pluck any of the fan leaves that look like the are not contributing to the plant much....and I would shitcan the 5 Gal bucket..as soon as roots hit over 80 degrees..your plant will stop growin
 

VX420

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Your root bound and you don't know shit about Organics,. Or you would Know that top dressing Bone meal will take 15-60 days to release any N. But you know All.. so good luck.

And PS.. Plants don't yellow in flower unless your doing it wrong, Just because they can does not mean its right. Green till harvest,
 

Dr. Who

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GOOD GOD!!! WRONG!!!!!!

I would expect more from a cpl of you answering!

NOT "N" DEF
NOT OVERWATERED
NOT pH
NOT ROOT BOUND (enough to matter)


That is abso-fucking-lutely CLASSIC P tox!
Too much P to early. Your NPK ratio is bad! REDUCE THE P and continue (find something other then bone meal. It contains to much P (in relation to every other thing you adding) and that's just making it worse).

NO amount of added N will fix this!!!! EVER!!!!

Wish I could + rep all those who where "nice" to the OP!

Some are quite correct on your using to much tea......You DO use more molasses in an AACT tea for the bio count though (feeds the bio's for the 48hr brew time). LESS molasses in a "fert" tea is correct.
 
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Dr. Who

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I've never heard of someone watering everyday.

Stunted slow growth with yellowing leaves is a symptom of over watering. The other sign to observe during this condition is leaf fall. If you have yellowing leaves and old leaves as well as new leaves are falling at the same accelerated rate you are providing too much water

edit: I see you getting all hysterical down there. You asked for an opinion and I gave you one. If you think your under watering by all means water that motherfucker some more. You clearly know what your doing.
Just for the sake of knowledge.
I water every day!
I water a metered amount that the plant uses and then needs to be watered again the next day at lights on.
The idea is to get more 02 to the roots.
Works great!
 

jdubwetherell1988

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Just for the sake of knowledge.
I water every day!
I water a metered amount that the plant uses and then needs to be watered again the next day at lights on.
The idea is to get more 02 to the roots.
Works great!
Thank you so do I , I have a certian amount of water EVERY DAY because its in a pot out side that is black. Water is gone in 12 hours! And I havnt gave it barley Any PHOSPHRUS EXEPT 5-1-1 fish fertilizer So how Iis this a phosphorus deficiency?And I know bone meal takes a couple weeks I do know my shit, the bone meal was mainly because I have nothing with much phosphorus in it so I will need that, and
 

jdubwetherell1988

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there is no "reviving" leaves..once they wilt or yellow. the only way to know if you are doin good and or bad is to look at the new growth and that will let you know if you have "fixed" your issue or not Blastin and cursin at people that are tryin to help you isnt prolly helpin either...as w/ any forum you are always gunna get several views and opinions. So take from it what you want but dont go changing everything otherwise youll never know what fixed the issue should it arise in later grows. Now if it was my plant..I would pluck any of the fan leaves that look like the are not contributing to the plant much....and I would shitcan the 5 Gal bucket..as soon as roots hit over 80 degrees..your plant will stop growin
I hate to tranplant during flower but if I do it super careful like ive done before she will be much happier shes been in that small bucket for almost 3 1/2 months!!! Way too long, I should have done it before flower
 

jdubwetherell1988

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Its not a phosphorus deficiency no matter what you say there are NO symptoms of phosphorus deficiency at ALL, PURE yellow leaves and wilting thats it, no browning or anything associated with phosphorus deficiency
 

jdubwetherell1988

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QUOTE="bondoman, post: 10823830, member: 694028"]I told you already what you need. Forget much of N now, and go PK. and cover that pot if you're still getting sweltering sunny hot days.[/QUOTE]
Will do. Thanks all
 

Dr. Who

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Thank you so do I , I have a certian amount of water EVERY DAY because its in a pot out side that is black. Water is gone in 12 hours! And I havnt gave it barley Any PHOSPHRUS EXEPT 5-1-1 fish fertilizer So how Iis this a phosphorus deficiency?And I know bone meal takes a couple weeks I do know my shit, the bone meal was mainly because I have nothing with much phosphorus in it so I will need that, and
It could come from many places or things....What exactly did you change at the flip to flower....

What is in your tea? List everything!!!
How do you prep it?
How often do you apply it?
How much do you use?
How much do you make at a time and how long do you save it?

Its not a phosphorus deficiency no matter what you say there are NO symptoms of phosphorus deficiency at ALL, PURE yellow leaves and wilting thats it, no browning or anything associated with phosphorus deficiency
It has ALL the signs I need right in your picture! That does not even count what you said here and I quote,

"Ok, so I know fan leaves are suppose to yellow towards mid to end flower, but this plant has been yellowing fan leaves since like day 10 of flower and its progressing more and more everyday, in the past week ive pulled off about 40 leaves and more are yellowing or they basically just fell off when theyve gone completely yellow( they look perfectly heatly just all yellow instead of green) I give her plenty of nitrogen and nutrients though. And the fan leaves are wilting a lttle and leaf tips sort of clawing not much like ive seen pictures of, I just want to know whats wrong so i can fix this asap"

I've done this for a long, long, long time.
So by the pictures and by the account you give above.
It's P tox, period, end of story. (You also have a problem with it being in a 5 gallon bucket outside in the sun. You say it's black,,,,great, your overheating the roots too (droopy over watered look). Take the time to cover the pot with something white or simply bury it to about 1 inch from the top in the ground to relieve the hot foot to the roots. But that is NOT whats causing the yellowing leaves - again,,,Ptox. I see it here all the time and wish I had a buck for every time I tell people what they really have and that no amount of N will fix it.

I would give it straight water for 5-7 days (everyday a metered amount to get to the next day) and then continue on with less P in what I suspect to be your Tea formula along with how it's used.

Like others have said before me. We give you an answer and you argue.

So, by the way you answer peoples posts and from what you said above.
I suspect your not as good as you think. By what you say I'll bet you looked at answers given and like mine, you looked the problem up in charts and descriptions. A lot of those can be confusing and misleading.

If you can manage to be polite, I will strive to help you figure out where the problem came from by taking a look at your tea formula and how you use it.

If you come back and attack and whine, or keep on saying it can't be because,,,,I'll simply ignore you.

I say that with all the politeness I can.

I do not INTEND to offend.
 

watersbm

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you need more nitrogen I am having the same problem not as bad as you but i am getting an over all paleing of leaves i fixed this will a top dressing of EWC and a blend of Neptune Harvest and Alaska FF. she is greening back up and new growth is nice and green. i am about a week into flower.
 
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ZoBudd

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Uh, jdubwetherwho what was your goal in posting about your yellow leaves?

You make me tired.
 

jdubwetherell1988

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you need more nitrogen I am having the same problem not as bad as you but i am getting an over all paleing of leaves i fixed this will a top dressing of EWC and a blend of Neptune Harvest and Alaska FF. she is greening back up and new growth is nice and green. i am about a week into flower.
yea, i got her back to good health now, I transplanted and added some more of my organic soil mix. and shes all green again.. i tested the run-off just before transplanting and the ppm was only 200 ppm waaaayyyy too low, but i got her under control again and shes got about a month left now. I sure would still like to know why someone thought it was a phosphorus toxicity? they could never tell me what symptoms made them belieive she had a phosphorus toxicity either. there are 0 symptoms of a phosphorus toxicity. Im glad i didnt listen to them or she really would have been hatin me! Anyways, thanks too all for your input/ advice/ and thoughts!!! PEACE OUT.
 
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AimAim

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[QUOTE="travisw, post: 10817294, member: 619302"]I've never heard of someone watering everyday.[/QUOTE]

I've got a couple girls in 8 gallon pots that are 3' tall and 4' across. In full sun. They need watering every day. Twice a day sometimes if the humidity is low and the wind blows. All my ornamental plants and most of my veggie garden gets watered daily when it is this hot and dry. Lower midwest Ozarks.

So now you have heard about it.

Learn up.
 
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