Elite clones or parents

When talking elite plant this can vary widely and can be opinionated , to say the least
resin output, structure, yield ,
A Elite plant must be able to create off spring better then her self , But for a lot of people a Elite is simply better smoke then anything else in my area.
I am not saying that is a wrong view point, I just think that ultimately, once you have 40 Elite moms in a room and you still have 5 or 6 that outshine the others ?? well, are the other 35 Still Elite ,,, Perhaps NOT
Think of it as much as the same way as professional sports , and athletes To get the the NBA- you are literally the top 1 percent of ALL college players , You are you the top .03 percent of all High school players. That by all means makes you a Elite player, However , even in the NBA you still have those that Rise above the rest and become superstars , Those are truly Elite among the Elite
Like Tom Hill and i agree 100 percent the true outliers are found in F2 populations not F1 the genetic recombination in a F2 population being so much greater and more diverse, You have a much higher chance of finding something unique or Elite as you call it
The whole Elite TAG - out of the 100's that carry it

So, ppl are claiming they have elite plants when their just picking one of a regular sexed pack and cloning off it?

I'd call it elite if its a clone only strain and you have it
Like original GsC.

Hierlooming a genetic would be elite to me.

I seriously doubt a mother plant is "A Elite plant must be able to create off spring better then her self ". Explain how this happens other than mutation please. Genetics are fairly stable with predictable results for 90% of growers.

Atleast yall have the ability to get these elite cuts crosses etc.

hotrodharley said:

I seriously doubt a mother plant is "A Elite plant must be able to create off spring better then her self ". Explain how this happens other than mutation please. Genetics are fairly stable with predictable results for 90% of growers.

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Simple each time you breed the genes of both parents gets shaken up like in bag its off spring does not necessarily bring out the identical genes there fore the varieties of the F1 and F2 usually bring out the better plant
no different then when you have kids although its yours and your wifes genetics in some cases your grand parents and great grandparents traits can show up like height , nose features etc ..
in other words just because you have a plant that you think is a elite may in fact hold more secrets and better elite genes in her here is a great read

http://www.cccoe.net/genetics/dom_rec.html

Darth Vapour said:

Simple each time you breed the genes of both parents gets shaken up like in bag its off spring does not necessarily bring out the identical genes there fore the varieties of the F1 and F2 usually bring out the better plant
no different then when you have kids although its yours and your wifes genetics in some cases your grand parents and great grandparents traits can show up like height , nose features etc ..
in other words just because you have a plant that you think is a elite may in fact hold more secrets and better elite genes in her here is a great read

http://www.cccoe.net/genetics/dom_rec.html

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Shaken up?It's called mutation and any mutation is not necessarily for the better. Just saying. Now take 10 plants of the same strain, same breeder and planted at the same time? Yes you are going to have ONE superior plant. That is the one you take the most clones from and keep them clearly identified. Clones from others yes but the sorriest plant?Why keep taking them from one that doesn't catch up? Flower that bitch and smoke it all. But that is the only way I know of to get what you call an "elite" mother plant of a strain. I'm open to learning though.

no mutation ??? WTF no no there kiddo when you breed to things to gether both gentic material get shaken up and mixed up what comes out is different does not mean mutation not one bit
Hot rod you got a brother ???? and if so are you to indentical in every way looks size smarts ??? or you the mutant

hotrodharley said:

Shaken up?It's called mutation and any mutation is not necessarily for the better. Just saying. Now take 10 plants of the same strain, same breeder and planted at the same time? Yes you are going to have ONE superior plant. That is the one you take the most clones from and keep them clearly identified. Clones from others yes but the sorriest plant?Why keep taking them from one that doesn't catch up? Flower that bitch and smoke it all. But that is the only way I know of to get what you call an "elite" mother plant of a strain. I'm open to learning though.

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i think you are confusing genetic variables and differences to mutations.
Mutations are different.
in my breeding experience (which isn't super super extensive) it's uncommon to see mutations.
Here is a funny story, sorta regarding mutations..
I made a strain one time, by crossing a huge bagseed sativa, with the J1 i had, and i had seeds from it.
Had one in particular that was at it's second set of leaves (third node) when it got decimated by a snail, like stripped down half it's leaves on one side of the plant (fucker).
Anyways, it lived because the other half was fine, BUT from then on, every set of leaves on that side of the plant grew shriveled on the same side that it was damaged by the snail, literally looked EXACTLY like the snail damage, and it was only on that side of the plant, and it was only on half of each of the leaves, just like the snail did, the plant was green and healthy and didn't have any issues at all, but those leaves on that side were shriveled, every time.
weird stuff, couldn't explain it. Good herb too.
The reaaally weird thing was after cloning, off clones, off clones it faded.
Couldn't explain it.

Holyshit i'm learning neato shit at r.i.u again! big smile .....thanks guys. please continue............

Elite to me means something different... Like unique phenotype expression. Something that _stands out_
-GG4, Strong High Yield Diesel.
-DJ Shorts Blueberry, Special Terpine Profile, excellent taste.
And so on....

Somebody mentioned Heirloom, I thought landrace strains were in this catagory.
-Thai Dalat
-Oxaca Gold
And so on..

As far as "Elite" parents.. I would say any thing that has been BX to express the desired trait and is homozygous, so next generations would express that trait.

Its funny some of the "Elite" strains have been an accident.. GG4 seemed to be an accident and was almost tossed out, GSC seemed to be an accident too..

GrowerGoneWild said:

Elite to me means something different... Like unique phenotype expression. Something that _stands out_
-GG4, Strong High Yield Diesel.
-DJ Shorts Blueberry, Special Terpine Profile, excellent taste.
And so on....

Somebody mentioned Heirloom, I thought landrace strains were in this catagory.
-Thai Dalat
-Oxaca Gold
And so on..

As far as "Elite" parents.. I would say any thing that has been BX to express the desired trait and is homozygous, so next generations would express that trait.

Its funny some of the "Elite" strains have been an accident.. GG4 seemed to be an accident and was almost tossed out, GSC seemed to be an accident too..

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Would kill for gsc forum.cut lol