Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)
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homebrewer
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I think anywhere between 3-1-2 to 3-1-4 is going to be about perfect for our plants in promix/dort/coco. I've been messing with extra potassium for a while now and I'm not seeing a difference in my promix plants.
supdro
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Here is the link.
http://www.growersunderground.com/the-great-phosphorus-myth-exposed
I see advanced nutes has something to do with this but i like the research behind it. Either way nitrogen is needed throughout the plants life
bassman999
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I am jumping in out of context, but are you using this ratio for veg, flowering or both?
homebrewer
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I use it from start to finish.
bassman999
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I remember reading that 1-3-2 was best for flowering, but I cant argue with your results. So much N and that goes against what everyone says about tasting bad with high nitrogen late in flowering and needing crazy flushing.
homebrewer
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1-3-2 works well in hydro.
As far as a 'bad tasting' product goes, that's all about the dosage regardless of what NPK you feed your plants. And a proper cure of course.
bassman999
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So different mediums will excel with different NPK ratios?
Regarding flavor, on one of my first rows I had bud that would crackle sometimes, and had black ash. I remember a friend of mine saying that I didnt flush, and that was the result of too much N left over.
I quit using the GH Koolbloom to solve that, and that made a big difference. It contains almost no N is contrast to PK, but was just too much fertilizer in general I suppose. I had bigger buds (not always), but they sometimes tasted like the nute solution smelled honestly.
No fun smoking bud that smells like fruit and tastes like a vitamin.
supdro
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Why do people say there is too much Nitrogen left and tastes like crap or ash black? Do people really get an analysis as to what is left in the bud that may taste like crap or sparkle...folks dont know. Could be too much phosphorus as that will spark when burning
LamontCranston
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I've posted this in one other thread before... http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/knowing_nutrient_mobility_is_helpful_in_diagnosing_plant_nutrient_deficienc
These are the roles nutrients play in your crops. Obviously most of them are critical throughout the whole process. However you achieve these results is a matter of individual success. I believe we spend too much time on RIU criticizing others for using certain products. Good luck to all of you, use this info to the best of your abilities. <3
Also growersunderground is an extension of Advanced Nutrient's advertising, so take what you read there with a grain of salt. I know this because when Oregon laws on fertilizer labeling changed a couple years ago, AN used growersunderground as a platform to launch a campaign against these new, vague labeling laws (also because their label is in the top of the website). They wanted more information to become available to customers. Anyways, these are my 2 (or 3) cents. <3
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bassman999
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I was new to growing, and the guy knew more than me or at least I though he did.
I think the high PK from the Koolbloom was rally the issue.
I have the bag still and dont use it, but when I stopped it went away.
Over fert is easy with numbers that high
SamsonsRiddle
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Try and do a test run with the two different NPK's (It's easy, either flower with foliage pro or bloom from dyna) and check out what your plant does. I guarantee 95% of your leaves are yellow by time you finish with bloom, and maybe a few with foliage pro if you cut it back the way you should as you finish up her life.
We're not growing corn, having a nice healthy green plant at harvest is better than a yellow starving plant.
Macmac124
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@homebrewer i know you gotta be swamp wit questions but i just hit 4 week of flower and started to cut out nitrogen from my flood table. my question to you is what ppm do you run in your table? and how much of that is grow nutrient and how much of that ppm is bloom nutrients? p.s my plant are almost three feet with 1/2 in stems and are ak x kosher kush
posterart
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Hello RIU`pers I have been following this thread and I had a question . I use a 70 Gallon Rubbermaid res . I sometimes us a bubbler and air pump and sometimes just a aquarium power head to create circulation . I thought I heard Adv. Nutes say NOT to use air stone / bubbler . What effect could a air stone have on nutes ? And without constant circulation ( you merely mix up the tank feeding before feeding ) is that a possible cause for lock out . How do y`all operate your res`s .
homebrewer
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I wouldn't cut N if I were you as you'll lose all your leaves.
1.0 EC is plenty strong.
supdro
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To piggyback off of HB i run 1.0ec-1.4 mix of foliage pro and bloom read the plant and your rez. Keep the plant healthy bro. Happy
Macmac124
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You were dead on!! I lost a lot of bottom leaves when I put my rez to 50/50 grow bloom. I now have the rez back to all grow 7-9-5 @ abt .9ec hopefully I didnt mess my yield up. But I am havin a little trouble w my ppms/ec it seems like evryday my ppms go up 10-15 and my ph drops but im kinda scared to run a lower ppm/ec. Is dynagro really that strong or do i have a rez problem? This is my first table ever im a promix organic nute type of guy and im just trying to get closer to that gram per watt. What is your opinion on .9ec is it about right w the the strains you run or is it a little high or a little low? I know I have to dial my own strains in to see what they like but being new to this hydro and dynagro what would you recommend... greatly appreciated
farside05
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OK, I'm not a Botanist by any stretch. Not a pro grower either. I'm only on my 2nd grow, but I am pretty good with numbers. If I take the numbers from the Advanced Nutrition charts/lab results, and if the goal is to feed the plant exactly what it uses in each phase of its life, this is what I come up with. Numbers are rounded to the nearest whole number for simplification. During Veg, the plant uses N-P-K at a ratio of 7-1-5 (average of the 3 strains sampled) and in Bloom it uses N-P-K at 5-1-5 ratio. If you mix Dyna's Foliage Pro at a ratio of 3:1 with Pro-Tekt, you come up with a N-P-K of 7-2-5 (a close match for Veg), and if you use a ratio of 3:2 Folige Pro to Pro-Tekt, you get a N-P-K of 5-2-5 which matches well for Bloom. All of these results also jive extremely well with Homebrewer's suggestion of a 3-1-3 N-P-K ratio for dirt/promix. As a coincidence, the last seed I planted (an auto Critical+) has been fed a 3:1 ratio of Foliage Pro to Pro-Tekt since day 7. Every leaf on her is pristine. She's 42 days old today and 9 days younger than her sisters that were fed a different ratio. She has caught and passed the others. I know she's from seed and not a clone, so you can't compare them directly, but I think there is something to it. Since she's flowering now I may switch her to a 3:2 ratio and see what happens. If I'm missing something, or if I'm calculating incorrectly, feel free to chime in.
Also, Big Mike's video is a laugh. He contradicts all the evidence in front of him. He points out other high phosphorus products that are 0-50-30 and scoffs, but then says his product that is like 0-9-18 is the right ratio. Either way you are overfeeding phosphorous (and potassium), just to what extent. And where is the nitrogen that he says actually increases during bloom? Not in the products he's touting.
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SamsonsRiddle
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I was advised against running that much protekt during flower because it will produce leathery leaves. The suggestion i have gathered from his posts state a 4:1 ratio of FP : Pro especially during flower.
homebrewer
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I would think 50/50 should be plenty to keep your leaves green.
How big is your res? What is your medium?