Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

One more quick question, I've never used ro water before, but since I moved my tap water is 240ppm and doesn't seem to be very good. I have Gh calmag. Would it be OK to use the gh calmag with the dynagro Fp, protekt and bloom, or should I get dyna magpro?

I've used calmag in a test and it didn't do anything so I'd say that neither calmag nor magpro are needed.

homebrewer said:

You're all familiar with Big Buds magazine, right? Well then I'm sure you're also aware that this rag is owned by Advanced Nutrients.

This link was posted at another forum and I just had to post it here in case anyone is looking for a good laugh:

http://bigbudsmag.com/marijuana-hydroponics-nutrients-organic-fertilizers-Canna-Botanicare

High quality plant food manufacturers like GH, DynaGro, House & Garden, Jacks/Peters, etc. don't need to talk sh*t about the competition because their products do the talking for them. AN on the other hand is constantly playing that sh*t talking game while simultaneously spreading more bad info than the newbs on these forums.

As long as AN continues to be a poison to this hobby, I'll continue to attempt to educate folks on the concept that flashy labels and high price tags don't mean anything as it's all about the guaranteed analysis.

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LMFAO, that article is complete snake oil salesman bullshit LOL.

I scanned 30 pages and couldn't find your results from this one, can't go any further lololol I am just curious of the results.

Pass it Around said:

I scanned 30 pages and couldn't find your results from this one, can't go any further lololol I am just curious of the results.

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The results are on page 25.

homebrewer said:

I've used calmag in a test and it didn't do anything so I'd say that neither calmag nor magpro are needed.

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Would you say that it's the same in coco? I hear so much about how you need to use CalMag with Coco when using RO to put back what you take out. I am not sure whether coco is considered hydro or soil(less). I have heard it said that if you treat coco like soil you will get soil like results and if you treat it like hydro you will get hydro like results. I am also curious with all due to respect, why with all the seemingly popularity of coco, you choose to grow in Promix. I know you run a flood table as well. Anyway, just a few things I have always pondered. Thanks in advance.

Theophilus said:

Would you say that it's the same in coco? I hear so much about how you need to use CalMag with Coco when using RO to put back what you take out. I am not sure whether coco is considered hydro or soil(less). I have heard it said that if you treat coco like soil you will get soil like results and if you treat it like hydro you will get hydro like results. I am also curious with all due to respect, why with all the seemingly popularity of coco, you choose to grow in Promix. I know you run a flood table as well. Anyway, just a few things I have always pondered. Thanks in advance.

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I grew in coco for a while and didn't love it. I didn't see the need to run it any differently than promix.

I am personally in trays doing a recirculating system, top feeding in to coco. Not sure if this is flushing the salts back in to the rez or not. My rez gets low after only a week so I just refill it again. I was thinking about trying a flood and drain system instead of the drip. Not sure if that would be any different than what I am already doing. Again, not sure if what I am doing is considered hydro or or soil(less). Hopefully you can share any thoughts on what I am doing right now. I may just scrap it and go in to Promix. I feel like I am going around and around. Wish I could just get something dialed in and run with it with some level of success.

Theophilus said:

I am personally in trays doing a recirculating system, top feeding in to coco. Not sure if this is flushing the salts back in to the rez or not. My rez gets low after only a week so I just refill it again. I was thinking about trying a flood and drain system instead of the drip. Not sure if that would be any different than what I am already doing. Again, not sure if what I am doing is considered hydro or or soil(less). Hopefully you can share any thoughts on what I am doing right now. I may just scrap it and go in to Promix. I feel like I am going around and around. Wish I could just get something dialed in and run with it with some level of success.

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If I were recirculating, I'd use a hydro medium personally. If I had a res with coco, I'd much prefer to run drain-to-waste. Your watering technique is almost as important as what you're watering with if that makes sense. Coco is fine but I'd recommend hand watering and those cloth pots.

homebrewer said:

If I were recirculating, I'd use a hydro medium personally. If I had a res with coco, I'd much prefer to run drain-to-waste. Your watering technique is almost as important as what you're watering with if that makes sense. Coco is fine but I'd recommend hand watering and those cloth pots.

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Thanks a bunch. I feel my stress levels slowly decreasing with your advice, lol... Seriously.

HB,

Do you always find consistency in your grows? Let's narrow that down to do you always find the same exact amount of nutes at the same point in the process works every time. Or do you find yourself adapting your nutes a little each time in the process to what your girls are telling you?

I guess what I'm trying to ask is are we newbs trying to find that exact sweetspot that will be same macros every time? Do you ever have a grow where everything is perfect? You use ur formula, and besides any trimming techniques, you don't have to adjust your nutes at all because you found the g spot? Does that make one a great grower? Or is a great grower constantly adapting to what he's looking at week to week, trying to stay along that 80-20 baseline( for example), but maybe having to get a little more N in here, or cut back on a P there to keep his girls healthy and green?

Are there guys out there who have their shit so dialed in they don't change a thing ever throughout their process? Or are even the best guys adapting a little on the fly to keep those girls green and healthy till harvest?

I'm struggling to keep them green all the way through. Around week 5 flower they need more N. I think I'm going to have to drop the 80-20 to 70-30 next time around and see what happens week 5. 60-40 if I have to. But then again, I've just been adding a little GH Micro which is 5-0-1 to the 80-20 and they bounce back to green but don't stay green.

I'm trying to find that sweet spot. Trying to dial it in. But wondering in your mind what makes a great grower? Is it having everything perfect? Being able to adapt all the time even after doing it for 20 years? Both? Just doing what it takes to keep them green and healthy - fuck the products and info constantly shoved in your face?

Samcro4 said:

HB,

Do you always find consistency in your grows? Let's narrow that down to do you always find the same exact amount of nutes at the same point in the process works every time. Or do you find yourself adapting your nutes a little each time in the process to what your girls are telling you?

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If I strive for anything, it's consistency. These days, there are no surprises in my room. That's not just a function of the plant food, it's a result of doing everything correctly.

I guess what I'm trying to ask is are we newbs trying to find that exact sweetspot that will be same macros every time? Do you ever have a grow where everything is perfect? You use ur formula, and besides any trimming techniques, you don't have to adjust your nutes at all because you found the g spot? Does that make one a great grower? Or is a great grower constantly adapting to what he's looking at week to week, trying to stay along that 80-20 baseline( for example), but maybe having to get a little more N in here, or cut back on a P there to keep his girls healthy and green?

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We're dealing with a living thing here and there is always a need to adapt or tweak something in order to make sure everything turns out as expected.

Are there guys out there who have their shit so dialed in they don't change a thing ever throughout their process? Or are even the best guys adapting a little on the fly to keep those girls green and healthy till harvest?

I'm struggling to keep them green all the way through. Around week 5 flower they need more N. I think I'm going to have to drop the 80-20 to 70-30 next time around and see what happens week 5. 60-40 if I have to. But then again, I've just been adding a little GH Micro which is 5-0-1 to the 80-20 and they bounce back to green but don't stay green.

I'm trying to find that sweet spot. Trying to dial it in. But wondering in your mind what makes a great grower? Is it having everything perfect? Being able to adapt all the time even after doing it for 20 years? Both? Just doing what it takes to keep them green and healthy - fuck the products and info constantly shoved in your face?

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I think a great grower is consistent in their results and the only way to be consistent is to kind of have the answer for any issue that may arise. It does take some adapting from time to time but one should also be working from a baseline of near perfection. It helps to have a rock solid environment, it helps to use a complete plant food, and it helps to have vigorous genetics. If all these parts are ideal, you shouldn't need to tweak very much.

Have you ever given any thought to doing a side by side comparison against CYCO? I hear a lot of good things about that line up as well.

Theophilus said:

Have you ever given any thought to doing a side by side comparison against CYCO? I hear a lot of good things about that line up as well.

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It doesn't look very complete but the NPK content should do well in hydro.

In regards to a side-by-side, I would want a food that could work well in hydro AND promix and I'm not a fan of using multi-part foods in promix.

I purchased the Dyna-Gro BLOOM (3-12-6), and grow (7-9-5), I have flowering plants, now probably for the first five weeks, I now how to use them? I use a soil, how I need to kind of mix proportion of the nutrient solution to watering my plants?

My English is not good, than from GOOGLE translation.
Please tell me how much a liter of water need to join the ML and GROW BLOOM
Thanks！Merry Christmas!

Esdreel said:

I purchased the Dyna-Gro BLOOM (3-12-6), and grow (7-9-5), I have flowering plants, now probably for the first five weeks, I now how to use them? I use a soil, how I need to kind of mix proportion of the nutrient solution to watering my plants?

My English is not good, than from GOOGLE translation.
Please tell me how much a liter of water need to join the ML and GROW BLOOM
Thanks！Merry Christmas!

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If you're in soil then I might stay away from their bloom, but it all depends on what minerals your soil already contains. So as I've said before, start off with the 'maintenance' directions on their bottles (1/2 tsp/gal I think) and then experiment with different combos of grow/bloom. I'm in promix and found that using only grow worked better than combos of grow and bloom. If you want to experiment, start off with a 50/50 mix. If your plants show some yellowing then substitute with more grow than bloom.

homebrewer said:

If you're in soil then I might stay away from their bloom, but it all depends on what minerals your soil already contains. So as I've said before, start off with the 'maintenance' directions on their bottles (1/2 tsp/gal I think) and then experiment with different combos of grow/bloom. I'm in promix and found that using only grow worked better than combos of grow and bloom. If you want to experiment, start off with a 50/50 mix. If your plants show some yellowing then substitute with more grow than bloom.

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Thank you very much, I'm going to try.

homebrewer said:

I run my AK47 at 800-850 ppm or about 1.2 EC. That’s what they liked with DynaGro so that’s how much Connoisseur they’re getting.

In regards to ‘keeping them in peak bloom longer’, I don’t ever see ‘peak bloom’ myself. It’s a slow and gradual process for me but maybe you’ll see something in the pictures to come that confirms what you’ve heard.

Yes this is rockwool and I’d also describe DynaGro as ‘hardcore’ as well, but in a good way. I simply don’t have any issues to deal with. Low salt build-up, steady pH, and easy to use.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy with a pound, that’s just lower than what I normally yield out of the strains I grow in these tables. If connoisseur produces a pound, that would be a failure in this comparison.

I use a minimum of 1ml/gallon of grow all through the bloom phase, expect maybe the last week. Make up the rest of your EC with bloom and protekt.

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Merry Christmas and thank you for the side by side! Fantastic questions by every one coupled with just the right answers makes for great help.
My question is, when you use the minimum of 1ml/gallon of grow how much of the bloom and protekt are you using to " make up the rest".
Hope to be callin everyone here by initials soon enough but for now, thank you Homebrewer!

Youngtree777 said:

Merry Christmas and thank you for the side by side! Fantastic questions by every one coupled with just the right answers makes for great help.
My question is, when you use the minimum of 1ml/gallon of grow how much of the bloom and protekt are you using to " make up the rest".
Hope to be callin everyone here by initials soon enough but for now, thank you Homebrewer!

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I don't remember exactly but if you have a TDS meter then it's some easy math.