DWC Root Slime Cure aka How to Breed Beneficial Microbes

Spanky84

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isn't biofilm of good bacteria on roots good? why too much is no good?
Myass, first thing they taught us at microbiology class was "every bacteria is pathogenic if present in sufficient numbers". It was a lesson about importance of mantaining good body hygiene in the lab to avoid infections, but I think it also applies here. Bacillus subtilis is a beneficial microorganism that grows on root surface and prevents infections by other more agressive organisms. But if those or similar microorganisms have so much food that they cover the roots with a thick layer of snot like biofilm, they will probably isolate root cells from the medium, preventing gas and nutrient exchange and damaging the plant.

Well, there are many people that have goten rid of root problems with tea when no sterilizer worked, so I don't think you are taking a big risk by trying it out. First time you were adding bunch of organics and thats what probably caused problems. If you don't try you'll brobably be sorry for it later because you'll never be certain if that works or not.
 

10after420

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Myass, first thing they taught us at microbiology class was "every bacteria is pathogenic if present in sufficient numbers". It was a lesson about importance of mantaining good body hygiene in the lab to avoid infections, but I think it also applies here. Bacillus subtilis is a beneficial microorganism that grows on root surface and prevents infections by other more agressive organisms. But if those or similar microorganisms have so much food that they cover the roots with a thick layer of snot like biofilm, they will probably isolate root cells from the medium, preventing gas and nutrient exchange and damaging the plant.


Well, there are many people that have goten rid of root problems with tea when no sterilizer worked, so I don't think you are taking a big risk by trying it out. First time you were adding bunch of organics and thats what probably caused problems. If you don't try you'll brobably be sorry for it later because you'll never be certain if that works or not.
I think you are right Spanky. I would really like to see some new roots popping out of these old ones, or at least the net pots lol. They are growing, and i have been foliar feeding with calmag, epsom salts, and clonex clone solution almost daily, so i am hoping that is helping. I'd like to give them some nitrogen but not sure what i should use or how much.

But i have already prepared a tea, with the ancient forest, aquashield, great white, and molasses. and i put 3 cups in 3 or 4 gallons of RO in a bucket along with the airstone that i brewed it with, which is covered in snot, (im hoping its good snot?) but after reading on here i remember Hiesenburg saying it was good and you could transfer it to your buckets, for an established housing. I added a little squirt of orca in it. I am going to wait for 6 hours (5 gallon bucket) and rinse of my roots in the shower, and put the blueberry plant in this bucket, while i disassemble, clean with bleach, Refill with ro water, rebuild the system, boil and h202 the airstones again, and start off clean as a whistle. Add the tea to my ro water, wait 12 hours, and drop in my babies, wait a day and add half strength nutes, wait a day and add more freshley brewed tea, and then the next day add nutes until the plant is happy.
Hopefully, growing roots. If not, and worst comes to worst i can drain and go back sterile. Thing is i want to believe in this tea. I have read so much in the past weeks and was so happy to find these threads, cuz i thought i was doing everything right. The plants seemed very hapy, and let me top them and train them right from the start. Never missed a beat. I would really love to get the opportunity to finish these girls out to the best of their ability, They were my maiden voyagers in my own dream grow room. Sucks it had to be such a pain in the ass. But when i get it going right, it will be like a small learning experience. And make me a better grower. I'm not really risking much at all.

Thanks again brother. You sold me. And i wont hold you responsible if it dont work out lol!
 

10after420

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And i just want to say Thank You to Mr Hiesenburg. Its been years since that first post, and its still helping people fight this beast. Cyanno is no ho! I see guys on other sites copying you with the recipe, and it makes me laugh. But who wouldn't want to be Hiesenburg? He is the man in the slime world! Thanks again Brother!
 

myass

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Thanks spanky. M plants are exploding with new roots. I love it. But I may have added too much tea. My old roots are slimed everywhere with biofilm. Should I change the whole res or just top off with less tea ratio? Here are some root shots today. You can compare to the pics I posted a couple days ago. What a difference microbe tea made. The plants still look horrible. Hopefully new roots will grow into the solution soon.
 

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bassman999

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I have bought some ewc , and some
https://www.kelp4less.com/shop/mycorrhizae-and-trichoderma/
I have some unsulpherated molasses.

I was hoping my shipment would arrive today, but Monday I guess.

I have serious issues in my ebb n gro, and all the roots from outer buckets to the inner bucket went bad, and I took most of them off since they are so f'd up.
Plants still look good for the most part.
Initially DM Zone was working, but now with even higher dose it isnt working anymore.
I have been flushing every 3 days to keep it alive till the mycos get here.
I am using H202 now to switch it up for the time being.
 

10after420

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Thanks spanky. M plants are exploding with new roots. I love it. But I may have added too much tea. My old roots are slimed everywhere with biofilm. Should I change the whole res or just top off with less tea ratio? Here are some root shots today. You can compare to the pics I posted a couple days ago. What a difference microbe tea made. The plants still look horrible. Hopefully new roots will grow into the solution soon.
Wow bro that is some nasty lookin slime lol. But look at them nice new roots!
 

Spanky84

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Thanks spanky. M plants are exploding with new roots. I love it. But I may have added too much tea. My old roots are slimed everywhere with biofilm. Should I change the whole res or just top off with less tea ratio? Here are some root shots today. You can compare to the pics I posted a couple days ago. What a difference microbe tea made. The plants still look horrible. Hopefully new roots will grow into the solution soon.
Ugh, that does not look nice. How much did you add and did you do anything differently? More sugar? Lower temps? Water?

I'd clean that and start in fresh res.
 

10after420

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Hey spanky, i got white floaties in my tea, along with the greyish black stuff on the bottom, which i know is good. Should i filter out these floaties or leave em in there?
 

Spanky84

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I filter my tea because I don't want ewc particles in my res, but it should be safe to put it in. Actually I think Heisenberg said that pieces biofilm could be benneficial in setups with young plants because microorganisms don't have much roots to provide housing.
 

myass

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Ugh, that does not look nice. How much did you add and did you do anything differently? More sugar? Lower temps? Water?

I'd clean that and start in fresh res.
crap you got me worried. I introduced 3 cups/gal 7 days ago when I first started using the tea. 3 days later I poured about 1 cup/3 gal. And it's during the past 4 days i noticed the thick slime on old roots but also the explosion of new root growth. I just assumed more tea wouldn't hurt. I also grow broccoli and bell peppers. Their old roots weren't as developed as that of white widows and tomatoes so didn't get infected by root rot much. Now they are growing bunch of nice white root and their old roots are also white as bone. But I didn't add as much tea though because I didn't think I need to populate the bennes like I did with weed and tomatoes. I'm also using mycogrow which contains fungi. are the slime fungi or microbe? How come they only gather around the old roots?
 

10after420

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crap you got me worried. I introduced 3 cups/gal 7 days ago when I first started using the tea. 3 days later I poured about 1 cup/3 gal. And it's during the past 4 days i noticed the thick slime on old roots but also the explosion of new root growth. I just assumed more tea wouldn't hurt. I also grow broccoli and bell peppers. Their old roots weren't as developed as that of white widows and tomatoes so didn't get infected by root rot much. Now they are growing bunch of nice white root and their old roots are also white as bone. But I didn't add as much tea though because I didn't think I need to populate the bennes like I did with weed and tomatoes. I'm also using mycogrow which contains fungi. are the slime fungi or microbe? How come they only gather around the old roots?
Is there any reason you can't cut those old roots off? I cut a boatload off of mine, and ya they are a lot bigger, but i don't think at this point your plant would even notice they were gone, and you could get that crap outta there. Less fightin for the good guys, they won't have to work at killing that snot off anymore if you eliminate it. Snip, game over, on those roots anyway, and the new ones look beautiful. Why take a chance when you dont have to?
 

10after420

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How much is the recommendation for 33 and 20 gallon res's? Coming from sterile, so no slime, but i do have a lot of dead roots still trapped in the big root balls, i have been rinsing them out a bit as they get broken down more.

I noticed some root growth, coming off the thicker air roots today, but they immediately are turning the same beige color as the roots. They look like thorns (like when roots are starting on clones. I really wish i could figure out why my nutes keep losing their color. Starts out redish pink, and turns clear. Maybe its from h202? It did that before the physan 20 so couldn't be that. anyway all that red collects on the roots and hoses and res's at the waterline, even gets on the underside of the lids, from the bubbles.
 

thump easy

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also try regenaroot that shit works too i usualy cut the old shit off and clean the fuck out of everthing next i put in my nutes verry low and also put in regenaroot that shit works for me every time mostly in the summer.. but if you use benies you shoud be okay like voodoo juice or toranchula with a lil carb load you'll never see slime also temp water temp and air stones that actualy Disolve the oxegen in the water i got a D.O. meter to see the disolved oxegen in the water and if your in a sealed room it could be a problem specaily if your vegitation is small the oxegen exchange is not that great gota bring in air from outside hepa filterd.. also if you get the meter and you read your water 6.o is bad and you want to be above 6.0 around 7 is okay and 10 is supper great.. also the stones have alot to do with the disolved oxegen in the water try to use the more expensive stones like the micro spores the smaller the bubles the better.. once you hit alot of folage i learned that the oxegen exchange is much greater i usualy start around 6 ish to 7.1 but in flower i noticed 8.1 to 9.0 so its great to know this shit man i got everthing riding on my roots.. good luck man.. i have battled this monster so many times its no fun!!! hiccups suck and take from your yield!!!
 

10after420

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Im definitely getting a do meter next round, and a couple trimeters. I currently have 4 coke can airstones in each bucket hooked up to 70 litre pumps, and my recirc pump returns to the top of the res and does the watrefall into it. I actually think my res has more do, cuz the little bubbles are all over the tubing and res sides. my pumps recirc a little over 10 times a minute, and i have the system set up so i can remove my airstones, and the heat created by my pumps. But i want to get some bigger water pumps before i run it cuz they just dont flow enough IMO when i split them to the buckets. It works, but i think with these 396 gph pumps its undersized for the waterfalls. I hear you on the hiccups, lost a couple good weeks of solid growth. But i'm gonna finish em if they make it, and i will have some new monsters and the knowledge to fight this beasty slime! Thanks
 

Spanky84

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How much is the recommendation for 33 and 20 gallon res's? Coming from sterile, so no slime, but i do have a lot of dead roots still trapped in the big root balls, i have been rinsing them out a bit as they get broken down more.

I noticed some root growth, coming off the thicker air roots today, but they immediately are turning the same beige color as the roots. They look like thorns (like when roots are starting on clones. I really wish i could figure out why my nutes keep losing their color. Starts out redish pink, and turns clear. Maybe its from h202? It did that before the physan 20 so couldn't be that. anyway all that red collects on the roots and hoses and res's at the waterline, even gets on the underside of the lids, from the bubbles.
I think Heisenberg said a cup per 10 gallon for prevention and a cup per gallon for curing actual problems.

What products did you add to current res?
 

myass

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Is there any reason you can't cut those old roots off? I cut a boatload off of mine, and ya they are a lot bigger, but i don't think at this point your plant would even notice they were gone, and you could get that crap outta there. Less fightin for the good guys, they won't have to work at killing that snot off anymore if you eliminate it. Snip, game over, on those roots anyway, and the new ones look beautiful. Why take a chance when you dont have to?
i cut off most of roots but left some firm ones there since i wasn't sure if they were still alive.
 

bassman999

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Aquashield ($12) The product composition consists of: Bacillus subtilis, Paenibacillus polymxa, Bacillus circulans, and Bacillus amyloliquefaciens. This gives you a base population of beneficial bacteria. (Aquashield can be replaced by any inoculation that contains bacillus bacteria.)


ZHO Powder ($10) The product composition consists of: Glomus intradices, Glomus aggregatum, Glomus etunicatum, Glomus mosseae, Trichoderma harzianum, and Trichoderma koningii. This gives you a base populartion of beneficial fungi. (ZHO can be replaced by any inoculation that contains myco fungi)


Ancient Forest ($14) - Soil amendment provides a high diversity of microorganisms, including more than 35,000 species of bacteria and over 5,000 species of fungi. (AF can be replaced by any earth worm casting)


EDIT* Mycogrow soluble is the cheapest and most diverse inoculant we have found. It can replace everything here except the ancient forest.



This is from heisenbergs original post.

My questions are
1) Using Mycogrow what amount is needed?
2)No molasses is needed to feed the tea?
 
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