Dr. Who's challenge run

Dr. Who

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What kinda lights u got? This is all extremely new to me, sorry for all the questions. Lol. I wanna test VPD out with sealed room and co2 soon. Sounds like theres huge potential with it and since ill be growing my own from now on, its def in the near future. For the money i used to pay to dealers, this will still be cheaper so i dont mind if my grow space ends up looking like the inside of a nasa rocket and costs a few grand.
VPD is basically used only when doing Co2 enhancement......It tends to have RH too high for preventing PM in non gassed gardens.
It needs to be noted that 100% sealed rooms and gassing by propane generation. Can be harmful in the long run. The equipment needs to be working perfectly and not off gassing unwanted byproducts from the combustion.
Also that burning 1 pound of propane yields 3 pounds of Co2, 1 pound of water and over 21,000 BTU's. I found that running environmental controllers are a good way to simply and easily control those needed VPD settings for using gas.....Your holding the best effective environment to best utilize that higher Co2 ppm...
 

OldMedUser

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Isn't the VPD just as important in an un-sealed environment too?

I'm torn between trying to set up better humidification to raise my RH to acceptable levels following VPD guidelines or running lower nute levels to prevent the toxic salts buildup I've been fighting with for years. Looking at having my intake air pass thru a decent humidifier as it is drawn into the grow space so there isn't a constant roller-coaster of high and low RH as an in-room humidifier plays catch up after the exhaust fan runs to reduce heat or RH in the space.

I need to have regular infusions of fresh air to replace the CO2 or supplement the CO2 which is damned expensive with each tank refill costing around $125 now. I bought a $270 controller as I already had a tank I bought at a yard sale but later found out it might as well be a stolen tank, and may have been stolen, as they are rented, not sold. Looking into buying an aluminum 20lb tank if I can do that and just get refills on my own tank or coming up with some sort of burner which I tried before making a double-wicked alcohol burner out of a mason jar to burn methyl hydrate. Hard to regulate and methanol is pricey by the gallon.

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I tried this as another option but it gave off too much heat. ;)

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For now I'm just going to go with using lower ppm nutes and may build a heat exchanger unit out of PVC pipe to recover some of the extra water the plants transpire in a low RH environment.

Always something isn't it. :)

:peace:
 

Dr Gruber

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Well Damn. I was all ready to do this on time....Then the phone rang....LOL

Well, Shiatsu stubby is done for me...Sure made her look fugly...Harvesting in 1 hr.
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Here's big sister at the start of week 2. I got no chance to compare organic to synthetic run. Plant 1, took the stress bloom trip. This one is the organic one. NO, synthetic use had no role in #1's problem.
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ECSD
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Iraqi Hash Plants
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Blue Berry is just really making her move to it's smell of BB, over the last week.
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Here's a peek at Platinum Banana OG - sub branching, Days to a week maybe.
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Fruity Pebbles has taken on her stubbly look and a first few ambers have shown.....Getting close! Days to a week here too.
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Cindy, this is what your Christmas will look like.

Beautiful work!
 

Dr. Who

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Isn't the VPD just as important in an un-sealed environment too?
In gassing? You betcha! Gotta git those temps and RH......87 - 90 deg. 79 - 81% RH. There abouts.

I still have a propane camping water heater. Same exact thing as the best high end, water cooled Co2 gen at the time. Different outer shell and a battery ignition system. Wired in the proper 3v DC wall converter and now it's battery free.... Never set it up. All the stuff to. I just don't feel I have any need to......Not sure why I did it, really. Just to be able too I guess.... I do just fine without it....

Oh well,,I saved over $500 on buying the water heater over the grow specific Co2 gen......LOL, built in the same factory in China, same parts used to build it, except for the 2 D cell battery ignition and the outer shell.....They even gave me a shower head and the hoses to connect it up on both ends...
 

Dr. Who

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I bought cannabis specific nutrients for my first grow, local hydro stores blend. Just sayin.
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All of this 1-1-1 stuff is so confusing to me since theres like a bajillion chemicals inside of these vs just 3. How do yall know exactly whats going into the plant vs just knowing the npk value? I figured id go with the easiest combo so i dont mess things up...again...

Your not understanding me. Nutrient chemical compounds are the same! The chemical formula of that compound is never different.

In reality. Those nutrients are exactly the same same nutrients as in every other liquid nutrient. Some makers use better source's and some not so good source's. They are in bottles with differing amounts by ratio (3-1-2 or 2-3-3 or whatever). But, they are the "same" nutrients.....Just mixed differently or charted differently. Your's are most likely charted for MJ growing... I would most likely still use at my own mix amounts. I want to follow what I like the NPK to be delivered at....

With that said. It should also be noted that, No matter what way you grow. Synthetic chemical or Organic. In the end, it is the same exact nutrient ions that are up-taken by the plant and used by it to maintain biological function (make it grow).

Understand now
 

Dr Gruber

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No matter what way you grow. Synthetic chemical or Organic. In the end, it is the same exact nutrient ions that are up-taken by the plant and used by it to maintain biological function (make it grow).

Understand now
I once said that on a forum i didn't know was a an mostly organic forum and you should have seen their heads explode. I barely made it out alive.lol.
 

Cannadab1s

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Your not understanding me. Nutrient chemical compounds are the same! The chemical formula of that compound is never different.

In reality. Those nutrients are exactly the same same nutrients as in every other liquid nutrient. Some makers use better source's and some not so good source's. They are in bottles with differing amounts by ratio (3-1-2 or 2-3-3 or whatever). But, they are the "same" nutrients.....Just mixed differently or charted differently. Your's are most likely charted for MJ growing... I would most likely still use at my own mix amounts. I want to follow what I like the NPK to be delivered at....

With that said. It should also be noted that, No matter what way you grow. Synthetic chemical or Organic. In the end, it is the same exact nutrient ions that are up-taken by the plant and used by it to maintain biological function (make it grow).

Understand now
I meant more so confusing to me with npk labeling vs something like:

1% copper
3% molybdenum
5% phosphorous
25% magnesium
13% calcium
.3% boron
.25% calcium etc.

Nutes i see all over the place just state npk value. My nutes just say feed at 1.8 EC. Not even an npk value :/ I guess its so i cant build my own formula off of what they have in there? So they won't tell the exact chemical composition? Or labeling laws like old med was saying? Iunno. I never trust people that much who are selling me shit.

I have rarely seen all ingredients listed in weed nutes like i would food in my grocery store. Thats all i was getting to. I hate trusting that they are all the same without an exact breakdown to be able to test. They could be pissing in the bottle for all i know and getting away with it cause its not labeled.
 

macsnax

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I once said that on a forum i didn't know was a an mostly organic forum and you should have seen their heads explode. I barely made it out alive.lol.
Yeah it makes them angry, they rant, you walk away shaking your head. Then there is the term " organic " so much bs hiding in there anymore.
 
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OldMedUser

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I meant more so confusing to me with npk labeling vs something like:

1% copper
3% molybdenum
5% phosphorous
25% magnesium
13% calcium
.3% boron
.25% calcium etc.

Nutes i see all over the place just state npk value. My nutes just say feed at 1.8 EC. Not even an npk value :/ I guess its so i cant build my own formula off of what they have in there? So they won't tell the exact chemical composition? Or labeling laws like old med was saying? Iunno. I never trust people that much who are selling me shit.

I have rarely seen all ingredients listed in weed nutes like i would food in my grocery store. Thats all i was getting to. I hate trusting that they are all the same without an exact breakdown to be able to test. They could be pissing in the bottle for all i know and getting away with it cause its not labeled.
You could buy the various salts and trace elements and totally make your own nutes but it's going to take some self-educating to be able to mix them all together in the right proportions to get the formulas that work best for the specific plants you want to grow. All the kind people at the various nutrient manufacturing facilities have plant scientists to do that for us and charge us plenty of coin for the privilege.

You could get analytical grade salts to make sure that you have the lowest levels of contamination possible then know you have the cleanest food for your plants thus the cleanest medicine for what ails you.

Your EC value is just a measure of how many ions are in your nutrient mix. It, like PPM, can't tell you what ions are present but only the concentration of all the ions present. A small electrical current passes between the two electrodes and the more ions that are present the less resistance there is to the current so more gets through and you see a higher number expressed in the display. Set up a small wet lab and you can find out how much of each is present.

Either accept that those that know better than you or I know what's best and mix up their concoctions properly to feed your plants correctly or be all anxious about every little thing and totally take the fun out of growing your own meds. I'm a chemist and don't want to go thru the hassle of mixing my own plant foods so after 16 years of using the same brand of nutes and always having lots of pot for more than my needs am happy to squirt some high priced bottled juice into a tub and sit back to watch the pretty girls grow.

Nutes are less than 10% of my growing costs. Saving a few dollars to mix my own and likely inferior product just does not compute.

Life is too short to waste time sweating the small stuff. Other than imminent death it's all small stuff. Namaste.gif
 

Cannadab1s

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You could buy the various salts and trace elements and totally make your own nutes but it's going to take some self-educating to be able to mix them all together in the right proportions to get the formulas that work best for the specific plants you want to grow. All the kind people at the various nutrient manufacturing facilities have plant scientists to do that for us and charge us plenty of coin for the privilege.

You could get analytical grade salts to make sure that you have the lowest levels of contamination possible then know you have the cleanest food for your plants thus the cleanest medicine for what ails you.

Your EC value is just a measure of how many ions are in your nutrient mix. It, like PPM, can't tell you what ions are present but only the concentration of all the ions present. A small electrical current passes between the two electrodes and the more ions that are present the less resistance there is to the current so more gets through and you see a higher number expressed in the display. Set up a small wet lab and you can find out how much of each is present.

Either accept that those that know better than you or I know what's best and mix up their concoctions properly to feed your plants correctly or be all anxious about every little thing and totally take the fun out of growing your own meds. I'm a chemist and don't want to go thru the hassle of mixing my own plant foods so after 16 years of using the same brand of nutes and always having lots of pot for more than my needs am happy to squirt some high priced bottled juice into a tub and sit back to watch the pretty girls grow.

Nutes are less than 10% of my growing costs. Saving a few dollars to mix my own and likely inferior product just does not compute.

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Thx for the reply. For my case, mixing and building my own stuff is the fun part for me. I built my own lights, tent, smartpot, even rebuilt my room that i housed the plants in just in prep for the plants new home. Had no clue how to sew or do much electrical before all of this, but i learned a hell of a lot about lights and sewing tho. Im glad i did instead of just calling up timberlights and ask for a preassembled unit. Probably saved about $3 on my homemade smart pot too. Lmao. I ended up cheaping out as much as possible on my nutes... wanted gh trio (only cause its cheap and works), but ended up buying local hydro store nutes that the store owner mixed himself ( at least got someone to mix his own and branded it as his stores growing nutes)
$30 for veg and grow nutes, 4 bottles...that price called my name. I was using it for my first grow and is pretty much just a test to see if everything works together. After i saw that he had his own brand as a tiny lil shop, and looking at advanced nutrient prices, dirt poor lil me thought if this dudes making his own wtf cant i do my own? So i started looking into no till for next grow where i end up mixing all my own nutes in the soil before growing. Looks legit. Esp for cheapass me. Im a chemist too..kinda, one of those pool boy chemists lol. I have people all over the place tell me that they can do it better than me and i shouldn't even try due to my lack of knowledge or equipment, but i usually find ways that i end up making my own shit that does the same thing for cheaper....esp after buying dirt cheap nutes from a hydro store owner who mixed his own and made my plants look sexy..just the life i live to save moolah. I mix chemicals all day at work, don't mind doing it for my plants. Esp to save loot with how much i make currently. Its a plant. People have been growing this shit for 1000s of years without nutes stores selling them shit. Do your thing, but im going to spend as much time as possible to make everything by myself. Trust me, if i was rich as fuck, id be sitting in a yacht having sexi half naked employees growing it for me as i watch, never touching a plant.... but till that day, ill do as much as i can by myself
 
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Dr. Who

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O-tay then...

Week 5 Shiatsu
Soil is a bit P for this strain,,,,doing fine though.
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These next 2 are the Iraqi Hash plant. Pic 2 is a look at the trich's on a smaller side branch.
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Side
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The Blue Berry is a cpl of days out.
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Fussy bitch Ghost
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HARVESTING TODAY ECSD pheno #2 - The thing is not liking my night temps - wanting to throw nanners. Now the #1 pheno is not.....at all..... It's a few days behind this one too.
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As far as the Stress bloomer Shiatsu smoke review....I'll have to do that tomorrow.....See you then.
 

Dr. Who

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You could buy the various salts and trace elements and totally make your own nutes but it's going to take some self-educating to be able to mix them all together in the right proportions to get the formulas that work best for the specific plants you want to grow. All the kind people at the various nutrient manufacturing facilities have plant scientists to do that for us and charge us plenty of coin for the privilege.

You could get analytical grade salts to make sure that you have the lowest levels of contamination possible then know you have the cleanest food for your plants thus the cleanest medicine for what ails you.
Done that. Partnered up for breeding with someone who does...
 

Dr. Who

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Do you have a special formula?
No more then how I balance my NPK. Micro's can be easy too.... You need to understand volumetric math....
I source my raw chems direct from Chemical makers. You want the cleanest available..... I have to source organic, if I'm playing with the organic runs...
 

Dr. Who

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** UPDATE **

While I was out looking at that ECSD and puzzling over just why it has started to herm (Ran this before with no problems). I sat down and did something I haven't done in awhile.
I simply did the first ripe (pretty dern close anyway) harvesting of the ECSD, right there in the grow room. After a cpl of hrs, I thought. WTF? It's getting rather chilly in here for lights on!

I look at the wall thermostat....61???

So investigation starts.....Find that a back up AC (main is run through a greenhouse thermo switch) was running full out! This should NOT be going on, as she's set for 2 deg higher then the GH switch...

Then I notice that the overly long heat exhaust line I had just replaced and meant to shorten and put into it's proper track to the vent. Had slipped from where it was hung and came to rest across the rear intake to the AC unit......OMFG! The damn thing had been taking in heated air till it tripped the internal thermo and began to run. It was not cooling this exhaust air enough to stop it from perpetually running this back up AC unit..

I had inadvertently made the AC cool the room to night time or lower temps for the last 5-7 maybe even 8 days! Just the perfect amount of time for the plants to go into "OH SHIT, MAKE BABY'S" stress mode. And show me it was doing it!

I thought I had hung the line ok, not! It fell, I have been busy and didn't notice...... I meant to shorten the line and hang it properly. I didn't, I got lazy and let it go because it "was ok and I can get to it later. I got it put up out of the way good enough."

NOPE!
Epic fail! This explains the early yellow showing on the Shiatsu and could be part or all of the temperamental Ghost's being more of a bitch then ever before!

It goes to show that even old hands make stupid mistakes!

Never leave something half finished in your grow!

Gotta run.
PEACE
 
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