Do you know somthing called water?

tomcatjones

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yep mindphuk, in the formula Force = Velocity x Mass, Velocity is the multiplyer of Mass, i guess i just assumed you would assume i meant F=MxV on account of i was talking about objects in motion.

Thats where quantum theory gets me. all the forces i see, recognize and was taught to "understand" back when i was in school seem to be re-defined, using the same language. Course the last time i was in a school, they had just opened up a new Roller Disco in town, and Jimmy Carter was president

"frequency dependence of the speed of light" Does that mean that C is now no longer a constant? WTF?

the speed of light is only a constant when you are in the frame of reference of light. and in that frame it is 0.
 

mindphuk

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the speed of light is only a constant when you are in the frame of reference of light. and in that frame it is 0.
The speed of light in a vacuum is a constant regardless of the frame of reference you are in. This is the entire basis for relativity.
 

tyler.durden

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I vote mindphuk for Tech Science moderator. He knows his stuff. What he is speaking of is modern day physics and goes with the best evidence we have to support it for now.

Doer, I really wish you would brush up on the technicalities of what your always talking about instead of being a master of none. Every time I read your posts you continually mesh theories with other theories and talk about the problems you believe in both and then combine another theory just for fun with the two then ask a random unanswerable question that never makes much sense and has absolutely no conversational value about the subject your trying to put us on instead of clarifying why your text is generally false each time..... Why cant you stay on topic? For what its worth.......
Amen, Kitty! MP knows his shit, we're very lucky he cares to share his knowledge with us...
 

mindphuk

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Amen, Kitty! MP knows his shit, we're very lucky he cares to share his knowledge with us...
Thank you both but I have very limited knowledge in QM, almost everything I know beyond undergrad physics has been self-taught whereas researchkitty has an degree in the subject. Biology and evolution is my wheelhouse.
 

delvite

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the speed of light is only a constant when you are in the frame of reference of light. and in that frame it is 0.
The speed of light in a vacuum is a constant regardless of the frame of reference you are in. This is the entire basis for relativity.


............................................http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light



Amen, Kitty! MP knows his shit, we're very lucky he cares to share his knowledge with us...
....................................their is alot of "smarts" on here and mp is among the top ;) gr8 info
 

delvite

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Thank you both but I have very limited knowledge in QM, almost everything I know beyond undergrad physics has been self-taught whereas researchkitty has an degree in the subject. Biology and evolution is my wheelhouse.
we are all students................................................................ it doesnt matter you learn all that matters is you do ;)
 

Doer

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The "scientists" among seem to already know everything, to the point were discussion is squashed. For a chemist or biolgist all they see is the standard model of reality. That is their job. To sort out and use the tech of the standard model. You can define narrorwly, I don't have to. I don't have to convinence you of anything. And you make the mistake to think I care, at all, about silly right fighting within the standard model. You are right as far as it goes. Happy? I'm not mixing my terms. I'm straying from your dogma. Quantum physics is not your field. Also, by posing thought puzzles, we help others understand. You and I may understand what it is to bend space, but the discussion began with those that think a black holes pulls in light with gravity. And they think space can't be compressed. It's a maturity question, for you. Can you not be defensive of your dogma, your rice bowl? The same plea goes to your sycophants.

And, MF, this is not the first time you accuse folks, and seem annoyed they are stoned and meandering. Very comical. Just ignore if it bothers you so much. We don't seem to be able to converse in a decent tone, like thinking men. Thinking men, do not pepper the conversation with passive aggressive stabs, in my experience. Thinking men do not bemoan another's style in a pot forum. You are NOT typing straight, I hope. That is against common sense,
for this discussion IMO, :)

MF, you seem to want to quash all thought that is beyond your comfort level. Why? We need to explain it all carefully so you don't reject it. So, they elect you the Pope of Science? Dean of Global Warning? The High Inquisitor of the Standard Model?

Electron and photons are NOT the same in molecular biology. Is your world safe now?

In computer science where I sit, we are beyond the standards of biology and chemistry, into the quantum effects. We are working nano scale. We also see, and are beginning to control photon tunneling. So, since my rice bowl is computer science, should I be offended that you stick to your molecular model? That would be the same silliness.

Still don't see where that boson comes from. But, not interest, any longer. And, by now you know, quantum physics and molecular physics are in serious divergence.

So, for all but the narrow minds, I propose tunneling as property that may unify electrons and photons in the Quantum view.

Dark matter may be detectable. Mindlessness alert, they do talk about the standard model of particle physics so you are OK.
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/23607/

Woops here is one were they refer to the standard model of the Universe. <gasp> Your particle standard model doesn't hold up completely. You know that, but you still may insist and get pissy. Your particle model has been severely jacked by other discoveries that have nothing to do with your employment. So you can safely ignore them.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0801/0801.0552.pdf
 

mindphuk

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Doer, if you're going to act like an ass every time I challenge you with questions then I WILL just ignore you and stop responding. You need to stop acting all butt-hurt when you have not made yourself clear. Our inability to grasp what's in your mind is a problem of communication and there's only one person to blame when that happens. Your belief that I want to stifle this or any other conversation is all in your head bud. I don't really give a shit what you or anyone else believes, but if you are going to use the terminology of physics and science, you need to use them correctly in order to be understood and to make sure we are talking about the same thing. If you mischaracterize what our current knowledge is, you will likewise be corrected on that as well.

This seems so typical of our conversations. I try to be helpful and respond with what I know yet when I can't understand something because it seems like you are confusing topics, mentioning my confusion seems to send you into defense mode. Researchkitty has a degree in QM and he's just as confused about what you are saying as I am so quit with the pity party and either restate it in a way that makes sense or STFU.
 

Doer

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Reading comprehension problems again? Ignore everything I say and then act as if I'm giving you an order... and you accuse me of passive aggressive stabs?
I really do think it's a maturity problem. Some folks get so confused that they don't even know when they are bossing the conversation.

"so quit with the pity party and either restate it in a way that makes sense or STFU. "
 

mindphuk

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I really do think it's a maturity problem. Some folks get so confused that they don't even know when they are bossing the conversation.

"so quit with the pity party and either restate it in a way that makes sense or STFU. "
A figure of speech is not a command.
Either way, I'm done with you. I am in no mood to deal with whiners.
 

Doer

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A figure of speech is not a command.
Either way, I'm done with you. I am in no mood to deal with whiners.
So, A harsh command, to compose ideas Their way, with Their rules of what is proper, believable and makes sense to them; to conform to the ultimatium or shut the fuck up? Oh, it's just a figure of speech. <Ha ha> No it's the tap-dance of confusion.

Immature, whinning forum bullies claim that right, I see.
 

researchkitty

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I dont know why your really even here Doer, you dont ever post anything marijuana related here and just troll up your computer knowledge as science knowledge with some wacky ideas.
 

Doer

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I dont know why your really even here Doer, you dont ever post anything marijuana related here and just troll up your computer knowledge as science knowledge with some wacky ideas.
More bully boys, huh? Who cares what you immature fight-boys think with your rice bowl elitism. I grow. I Know.

"you don't ever post anything marijuana related here" ]What are talking about? So, you don't read my grow journal or my posts in Grow rooms. Fuck you and the other bullies that NEED control. Communists? Brats, Liberals and other control obsessed mental midgets can join.

The Church of Kitty and the well named mindfuck.

The thing about you bitches. You are cowards. You are willing act like jerks but not risk the bitch slap. Now you act like you own the place. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa
 

delvite

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.................................................magnetically treated water ( water that appears to "behave" as if the mineral content was lowered ) is easy'er for the plants to take up? ...........................i still vote yes ;)
 

Doer

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.................................................magnetically treated water ( water that appears to "behave" as if the mineral content was lowered ) is easy'er for the plants to take up? ...........................i still vote yes ;)
Still I vote no. Hopefully the Bobbsey Twins, don't try to shout me down about that.
 

delvite

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Still I vote no.
Magnetized Water
The effects of magnetic fields on running water have been observed for years. Patents on treating water with magnets appeared as early as the 1950's. It was discovered that less scale deposit was produced after long use. The effects were described as making the water appear to "behave" as if the mineral content was lowered. This technology was used mainly in countries which have very little chemical industry, like Russia, China, Poland and Bulgaria, who all reported the successful use of magnets in treating water for irrigation, industry and home use. They cited improvements in taste and faster drying time, but no one knew why! Magnetic water treatment developed more slowly in the West. To Western minds, measuring the magnetic effect of flowing water was somewhat suspect. (Kronenberg said, "People in the West insist on understanding what they say or do!")
Also, chemicals were in general use in North America and the chemical industry did its best to discourage the use of magnets – for obvious reasons!
Even to Westerners, however, the genuine and practical effects of magnetic water treatment after prolonged use were undeniable. And Kronenberg states that there is no mystique in how magnets treat water problems. The positive effects have been confirmed through systematic research. When treatment devices with permanent magnets were developed, they were immediately successful! The build up of scale on new pipes was totally eliminated and the removal of scale deposits in old water pipes was soon evident.
It was while he was at California State Polytechnic that Kronenberg contributed to the pioneering work in agriculture that re-used re-energized irrigation water with magnetic treatment. He says magnets actually change the nucleus of water.
And that is the source of its seemingly magical properties. A diet of magnetized water makes cows give more milk, chickens grow fatter and lay more eggs. And cantaloupes and other crops grow larger and have better yields with less fertilizer.

Professor Israel Lin of the Israel Institute of Technology decided to use magnetic treatment on saline and brackish water, using an instrument costing less than $500(US). The unexpected effects were revealed during tests at Kibbutz Gvat. The 85 cows that drank magnetically treated water for three years produced a litre more milk a day, had fewer milkless days and conceived more easily, due to increased health and vitality. (Better than bovine growth hormone!) The calves not only weighed more than calves in the control group, they were leaner!
Magnetic water had a similar effect on all farm animals at Kibbutz Gvat. Geese grew bigger, sheep produced more meat, milk and wool, chickens and turkeys laid more eggs and were prolific for a longer period. More dramatically, the mortality rate was reduced with less feed. Lin said the change of the water's properties is the key.
"The magnetized water increases the solubility of minerals and therefore improves the transfer of nutrients to all parts of the body, making the organisms work more efficiently."

The Nucleus of Water
"The shortage of nucleation centres in water is known to result from the capability of the water molecules to cluster around each foreign particle," Kronenberg explained. This renders it unavailable as a nucleation centre. The forces of the magnetic fields on those water molecule clusters is very weak, however. The clusters vibrate in a number of ways. When they pass over a number of magnetic poles at a certain velocity the periodic changes of magnetic fields may coincide with one of the internal vibration frequencies of the water clusters. Resonance may occur and result in cracking open such a cluster.
"The formerly entrapped particle is set free and the nearby mineral molecules rush from all sides to their nucleation centre where they form circular platelets. The minerals that form the circular platelets do not have to be crystallized on a container wall. In turn, the number of hard crystals is reduced accordingly. The percentage reduction is the magnetic treatment's effectiveness rating."

The Memory of Water!
Many success reports specify that magnetized water maintains its property of scale deposit prevention up to two days. Kronenberg says some critics make this fact look absurd by calling it "water's ability to remember its magnetizing experience."
"We do know," he states, "that the treated water retains its special scale-reducing properties while the calcium carbonate is present in the solid, inactive form of the micro crystals. We have examined these crystals under massive magnification in various waters and different treatments.
We can recognize in the 400-times magnification the clear prototype of the disc-shaped crystallization nuclei."
He says that following magnetic treatment of water with a bad smell the odor was removed because "the dissolved sulfite minerals were changed into solid masses."

................................just some more info im reading on the subject ;)


 
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