Do Hydroponics create more Waste?

hyroot

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Now I've read that inducing mycelium growth will created an environment super ideal for root growth while creating micro pathways that can be used to bring nutrients to the root system. Have you experimented with this at all?

From the sounds of this thread hydroponics is speed and the detriment of conservation. Not ideal.

My vermicompost is fungal dominant. I feed my worms oats. I sprinkle pureed oats on my soil mixes while soil is cooking. The oats after a couple days will produce mycelium fungi. With living soil it's all about the bacteria, fungi and enzymes. Yield and veg time are mostly dependent on genetics. But you want to go with 15 gal pots minimum. You need a a pretty big root mass to produce large yields with organics. Using cover crops will naturally facilitate mychorizzae and bacillus fungi as well.
 

Vikerus Forrest

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My vermicompost is fungal dominant. I feed my worms oats. I sprinkle pureed oats on my soil mixes while soil is cooking. The oats after a couple days will produce mycelium fungi. With living soil it's all about the bacteria, fungi and enzymes. Yield and veg time are mostly dependent on genetics. But you want to go with 15 gal pots minimum. You need a a pretty big root mass to produce large yields with organics. Using cover crops will naturally facilitate mychorizzae and bacillus fungi as well.
I just happen to have a ton of milled oats, sweet!
15gal is huge for the little area I've got, thank you for the insight. It's appreciated.
 

hyroot

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I just happen to have a ton of milled oats, sweet!
15gal is huge for the little area I've got, thank you for the insight. It's appreciated.

I'm about to up mine to 30 gals. But I'm going to have 3-4 plants in each pot though. You can go that way. It's basically a soil bed.
 

Vikerus Forrest

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I'm about to up mine to 30 gals. But I'm going to have 3-4 plants in each pot though. You can go that way. It's basically a soil bed.
Most likely I'll do three or four pots and do my best to scrog them into one continuous screen. Which I've only just started learning to do. My stall is 2'3'' x 4'6'' so I imagine that would do.
 

WestDenverPioneer

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Hydroponics uses less water and wastes less water than soil. It also allows plants to be grown closer together (someone suggested 15-gallon soil containers). Inert mediums are often reused for many, many years.
 

Vikerus Forrest

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There's no need to recycle waste water. With automated dosing systems, nutrients are added back to the water. The water is never dumped down the drain, more is added to compensate for evaporation.
Hadn't even considered this as a possiblity. So the salt build up isn't a problem? Or there isn't any when done correctly?
 

GrowerGoneWild

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Not as in unusable cannabis.

My question is about conservation and responsible growing in the climate era.
I've been realllllllly curious about starting a hydroponic setup since my grow area is a shower stall, perfect for catching a leak should it ever happen.

Now, I don't want conjecture if you can spare it. Would it be possible (albeit complex) to recycle the concentrated waste? And if so how many steps might that realistically take? More importantly would you spend the extra effort to use a local service which would do this for you at cost or for free?
How much waste are we talking here?..

I simply take used solution, dilute it and use it on other plants, you have other houseplants dont ya?.. For me basil pretty much ate up any used solution I added to its tank.
 

GrowerGoneWild

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Thank you for clarifying. Now the question is: What about organic hydroponics <.<
Works great, a local commercial lettuce farm use a nutrient tea from vermi and regular composts. But thats lettuce, I'm sure there are various way to grow without using any synthetic salts... Aquaponics.. etc..

You'll need some room to pull this off, like a vermicomposter, and regular composting. But should work fine, theres also subsets of hydroponics like aquaponics that use fish water for the nutrients and bacterial activity. .. room needed to support other processes that create mineralization and nutrients for your plants.

For somebody growing in a shower stall, living organic soil should meet your needs.
 

Lord Kanti

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Not as in unusable cannabis.

My question is about conservation and responsible growing in the climate era.
I've been realllllllly curious about starting a hydroponic setup since my grow area is a shower stall, perfect for catching a leak should it ever happen.

Right now my plan is to recycle the media I use, while one batch is in use the other will be fermenting back into a nutritious meal for future plants. My aim being to reduce the waste created from growing. But I've recently considered that a reverse osmosis water filter could actually serve to concentrate the old nutrients while creating water that can be used again for the system. I've only taken an advanced chemistry class in high school but from what I remember there are ways to gain useful material from a melting pot of chemical compounds.

Now, I don't want conjecture if you can spare it. Would it be possible (albeit complex) to recycle the concentrated waste? And if so how many steps might that realistically take? More importantly would you spend the extra effort to use a local service which would do this for you at cost or for free?
Hydro creates a carbon footprint by manufacturing nutrients and packaging, while organic reduces your footprint by composting your food waste, soiled cardboard, etc. If you compost your urine, you also conserve water and add nitrogen to your mix.

Also, why use RO water if your tap water is safe to drink? I don't get why people strip calcium, magnesium, etc. then spend money on Cal Mag supplements.
 

Vikerus Forrest

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Hydro creates a carbon footprint by manufacturing nutrients and packaging, while organic reduces your footprint by composting your food waste, soiled cardboard, etc. If you compost your urine, you also conserve water and add nitrogen to your mix.

Also, why use RO water if your tap water is safe to drink? I don't get why people strip calcium, magnesium, etc. then spend money on Cal Mag supplements.
To be completely honest I think I would use a distillation process instead. RO is just popular and semi-cheap/safe to setup as a DIY project.
No reason needed to want cleaner water imo.
 
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2ANONYMOUS

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Bacteria can turn chemicals into nitrates, a form of salt..

But I understand what you're saying.. feed the soils microbes for the plants nutrition.
Its all a chemical process have to much carbon base in a organic soil, Will also cause pollution and chemical leaching into ground waters. Its finding the happy balance.
To say Hydro is more of a problem is like pointing out the bad points of it , and never looking at the benefits
shorter veg times, bigger harvests ,, less deficiencies As a Hydro grower in closed loop my imprint is small i give plants bare minumums as per Ec readings have never changed out Res only top up with amount of nutrients and water plants used up. actually its cost savings in my books .
example res is 700 ppm, 4 days later read rez and its 300 ppm so i top up with 400ppm of nutrients and water there fore giving me a rez of 700 where i started and so on
No salt build ups no wasted water or nutrients, plants use it all .
 

bird mcbride

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Its all a chemical process have to much carbon base in a organic soil, Will also cause pollution and chemical leaching into ground waters. Its finding the happy balance.
To say Hydro is more of a problem is like pointing out the bad points of it , and never looking at the benefits
shorter veg times, bigger harvests ,, less deficiencies As a Hydro grower in closed loop my imprint is small i give plants bare minumums as per Ec readings have never changed out Res only top up with amount of nutrients and water plants used up. actually its cost savings in my books .
example res is 700 ppm, 4 days later read rez and its 300 ppm so i top up with 400ppm of nutrients and water there fore giving me a rez of 700 where i started and so on
No salt build ups no wasted water or nutrients, plants use it all .
After the res is used up it is basically plant waste left.
 

2ANONYMOUS

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Yet tillage is needed as a step for controlling weeds on most organic farms because of prohibition of synthetic herbicides, which are used for “no-till” agriculture in conventional farming. The Rodale Institute’s white paper recognizes the problem of “marginal” practices of no-till or reduced-tillage on organic farms. For these reasons, the organization has been working on aroller-crimper technique intended to squash cover crops or weeds as a method of organic “no-till” agriculture. But the fact is that the technology is unlikely to be available as a large-scale approach anytime soon.

The scientific research evaluating “reduced-tillage” organic farming hasn’t been promising either. One study by soil scientist Jane Johnson and her colleagues from the USDA-Agriculture Research Service evaluated reduced-tillage farming in both the organic and conventional methods during a four-year rotation of corn, wheat, soybean, and alfalfa in Minnesota. The researchers used closed-vented chambers to monitor greenhouse gas emissions for three years during early spring thaws until late fall.

During those four years, they found that yields varied, but averaged much lower for organic farming. In 2007 and 2008, for example, organic and conventional yields for soybean were found to be similar, but 2006 organic soybean was 90 percent lower than conventional yields. Organic and conventional corn yields were similar for 2007, but then organic was 60 percent lower than conventional in 2006, and 40 percent lower during 2008. In 2006, organic wheat also was 50 percent lower than conventional wheat yields.

The researchers also found that while both conventional and reduced-tillage organic systems emit nitrous oxide emissions, the amount cumulatively represented 4.74 percent of nitrogen of the synthetic nitrogen added into the conventional system compared to 9.26 percent of the nitrogen from manure added to the organic system. Essentially, the organic farming system had nearly twice the nitrous oxide emissions for the same amount of nitrogen applied compared to the conventional system—for a smaller yield!

More land use means more cows and methane gas

Still the smaller yields requiring more acres of land for tillage doesn’t yet highlight what would likely be the single greatest threat on the environment were more conventional farmers to turn to organic farming—it’s the need for all the extra cattle to produce manure to fertilize those organic crops. The extra cattle would not just take up additional land; they’d lead to huge releases in greenhouse gas emissions resulting from manure production itself and from burping and farting. One estimate is that every individual cow lets out between 30 and fifty gallons of methane per day, from both its behind and mouth.

Currently, cattle livestock is already blamed for generating nearly 20 percentmore greenhouse gases in terms of carbon equivalency as compared to driving automobiles. The problem could grow far worse as summarizedquite succinctly by Ramez Naam, author of Infinite Resource: The Power of Ideas on a Finite Planet:
 
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