Do aliens exist?...Please explain in detail your reasoning.

Ceepea said:

There is no reliable evidence to support the existence of aliens.

This doesn't mean they don't exist, only that currently we have no credible reason to believe they exist.

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The evidence supporting the existence of alien craft is the very same evidence used to support the existence of our sister planets and their satellite moons.

First, we have human observation. Human observation alone is not considered to be reliable, however, corroborated human observation IS considered to be reliable. Just as there are corroborating humans making observations in the cosmos, there are corroborating humans making observations of what can only be alien craft operating in our world space.

Second, we have technological observation and evidence. Photographs have been used to capture and corroborate human observations made of the cosmos, and they have also been used to corroborate the observations of alien craft. Radio telescopes have been used to corroborate the existence of celestial bodies such as quasars and pulsars, and air and ground RADAR platforms have been used to corroborate the existence of alien craft.

Finally, we have physical evidence. Just as there are craters left behind by ancient meteor and asteroid impacts, there is also physical evidence left behind by alien craft that have landed on our planet. Soil samples that have been irradiated, and marks left in the soil by what can only be described as landing gear, have been observed and captured as evidence.

The evidence is out there, and has been for decades now. People simply choose to ignore it.

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Wilksey said:

The evidence supporting the existence of alien craft is the very same evidence used to support the existence of our sister planets and their satellite moons.

First, we have human observation. Human observation alone is not considered to be reliable, however, corroborated human observation IS considered to be reliable. Just as there are corroborating humans making observations in the cosmos, there are corroborating humans making observations of what can only be alien craft operating in our world space.

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There have been reports and evidence of UFO's. This doesn't mean it's alien, only that it's unidentified. Huge difference.

Second, we have technological observation and evidence. Photographs have been used to capture and corroborate human observations made of the cosmos, and they have also been used to corroborate the observations of alien craft.

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Again, there are very few pics and videos that can't be explained either as a) a hoax or b) something explainable. Even still, just having video of something unexplained doesn't mean it's extraterrestrial. Maybe it's secret human technology. How can you accurately make that distinction?

Radio telescopes have been used to corroborate the existence of celestial bodies such as quasars and pulsars, and air and ground RADAR platforms have been used to corroborate the existence of alien craft.

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Please cite sources. I've yet to see any evidence of alien life, only something currently unexplained. I don't make jumps to answers that are unjustified.

Finally, we have physical evidence. Just as there are craters left behind by ancient meteor and asteroid impacts, there is also physical evidence left behind by alien craft that have landed on our planet. Soil samples that have been irradiated, and marks left in the soil by what can only be described as landing gear, have been observed and captured as evidence.

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Maybe, MAYBE, they are landing gear marks. Sounds like an argument from incredulity to me. Basically, you're saying "we don't know what it is, therefore it's aliens."

The only 'proof' of aliens, is documented evidence of actual aliens. No amount of missing data, or conjecture about unexplained things proves aliens exist.

The evidence is out there, and has been for decades now. People simply choose to ignore it.

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I don't think rational people are 'ignoring' the evidence, I think they're unwilling to make the jump between something unexplained and something being 'aliens'.

Ceepea said:

There have been reports and evidence of UFO's. This doesn't mean it's alien, only that it's unidentified. Huge difference.

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Deductive reasoning dictates that aircraft operating in our airspace exhibiting performance characteristics beyond the capabilities of man made aircraft MUST be created by something other than man. Period.

So unless this non-human source of intelligence is actually hidden here on Earth, deductive reasoning, again, dictates that the source of intelligence MUST be alien.

Ceepea said:

Again, there are very few pics and videos that can't be explained either as a) a hoax or b) something explainable. Even still, just having video of something unexplained doesn't mean it's extraterrestrial. Maybe it's secret human technology. How can you accurately make that distinction?

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Again, we must use our deductive reasoning to make conclusions. There are a limited number of power plants available for man made aircraft, and each has a unique and recognizable visual signature, and a unique flight envelope. There are a limited number of configurations available to achieve controlled flight for man made aircraft, and these too are distinctive. So when an object is captured on film that completely lacks the man made characteristics required to achieve the kind of flight performance it displays, then deductive reasoning dictates that it could not have been made by man.

Ceepea said:

Please cite sources. I've yet to see any evidence of alien life, only something currently unexplained. I don't make jumps to answers that are unjustified.

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Deductive reasoning again dictates that craft observed performing beyond the capabilities of man made craft MUST be made by something other than man.

Ceepea said:

Maybe, MAYBE, they are landing gear marks. Sounds like an argument from incredulity to me. Basically, you're saying "we don't know what it is, therefore it's aliens."

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There is no other logical conclusion for the appearance of these vehicles in our air space.

Ceepea said:

I don't think rational people are 'ignoring' the evidence, I think they're unwilling to make the jump between something unexplained and something being 'aliens'.

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I agree, however, when national governments start releasing reports suggesting the "extra-terrestrial" conclusion is not only a "viable" conclusion, but the ONLY "viable" conclusion to some of these phenomena, then people are going to start looking foolish for continuing to pretend these things don't exist.

Check out the COMETA report released by the French government back in 99':

http://www.ufocasebook.com/pdf/cometa.pdf

Copernicus was one of the first men to openly challenge the belief that the Earth was the center of the universe. It took almost 200 years before his challenge was finally accepted as fact by the "great minds" of the world, despite the fact that the evidence was there for all to see.

How long will it take for us to finally accept the fact that we are NOT alone I wonder?

Wilksey said:

Deductive reasoning dictates that aircraft operating in our airspace exhibiting performance characteristics beyond the capabilities of man made aircraft MUST be created by something other than man. Period.

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LOL - How do you know what the performance characteristics of the worlds most top secret aircraft are? Your reasoning is flawed, and you're prematurely jumping to conclusions.

So unless this non-human source of intelligence is actually hidden here on Earth, deductive reasoning, again, dictates that the source of intelligence MUST be alien.

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Again, you're coming to a conclusion based on incomplete premises. Unless you can demonstrate the capabilities of the worlds most top secret planes, your argument totally breaks down.

Again, we must use our deductive reasoning to make conclusions. There are a limited number of power plants available for man made aircraft, and each has a unique and recognizable visual signature, and a unique flight envelope. There are a limited number of configurations available to achieve controlled flight for man made aircraft, and these too are distinctive. So when an object is captured on film that completely lacks the man made characteristics required to achieve the kind of flight performance it displays, then deductive reasoning dictates that it could not have been made by man.

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Deductive reasoning is great when you have complete information. Just because you don't have an answer for something doesn't = aliens.

The best you could do is this;

Some UFO's display unique flight capabilities.
Standard aircraft cannot perform like this.
Therefore, some UFO's are not standard aircraft.

Deductive reasoning again dictates that craft observed performing beyond the capabilities of man made craft MUST be made by something other than man.

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Again,

The best you could do is this;

Some UFO's display unique flight capabilities.
Standard aircraft cannot perform like this.
Therefore, some UFO's are not standard aircraft.

There is no other logical conclusion for the appearance of these vehicles in our air space.

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Top secret military aircraft.

I agree, however, when national governments start releasing reports suggesting the "extra-terrestrial" conclusion is not only a "viable" conclusion, but the ONLY "viable" conclusion to some of these phenomena, then people are going to start looking foolish for continuing to pretend these things don't exist.

Check out the COMETA report released by the French government back in 99':

http://www.ufocasebook.com/pdf/cometa.pdf

Copernicus was one of the first men to openly challenge the belief that the Earth was the center of the universe. It took almost 200 years before his challenge was finally accepted as fact by the "great minds" of the world, despite the fact that the evidence was there for all to see.

How long will it take for us to finally accept the fact that we are NOT alone I wonder?

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Undoubtedly, there is life in elsewhere in the universe. Whether or not they've visited us or not is another question.

Ceepea said:

LOL - How do you know what the performance characteristics of the worlds most top secret aircraft are? Your reasoning is flawed, and you're prematurely jumping to conclusions.

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First, pilots and RADAR operators are the ones making these observations, not me.

Second, only rockets have been capable of achieving speed and acceleration close to those measured by RADAR, but they lack the maneuverability displayed by these vehicles, and they have a very distinct and recognizable flight signature.

Finally, these vehicles have been observed by pilots and RADAR operators long before man ever achieved the ability to break the sound barrier.

That brings us back to deductive reasoning that dictates these vehicles had to be made by non-human intelligence.

shit, i believe in aliens, all those millions of planets out there, could be other earths, who knows whats out there

Mr. Bongwater said:

shit, i believe in aliens, all those millions of planets out there, could be other earths, who knows whats out there

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Trillions dude.

Trillions.

Wilksey said:

Trillions dude.

Trillions.

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From what I have heard, there is, on average, 100 billion stars per galaxy; and there are about 100 billion galaxies in our observable universe. I have also heard that there are, on average, 2.5 planets per star.

Can someone please do the math to see how many planets there are in our observable universe? Just multiply 100 billion stars, times 100 billion galaxies, times 2.5 planets per star: and that will give you a good estimate of how many planets are in our observable universe.

And that is just the observable universe; there is much more to the universe then what we can see.

~PEACE~

DarthBlazeAnthony said:

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they only excist if you want them to,,,now take your meds

if aliens do contact us they're not gonna look like anything we would expect

Wilksey said:

First, pilots and RADAR operators are the ones making these observations, not me.

Second, only rockets have been capable of achieving speed and acceleration close to those measured by RADAR, but they lack the maneuverability displayed by these vehicles, and they have a very distinct and recognizable flight signature.

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Conjecture. Weird things on radar =/= aliens.

Finally, these vehicles have been observed by pilots and RADAR operators long before man ever achieved the ability to break the sound barrier.

That brings us back to deductive reasoning that dictates these vehicles had to be made by non-human intelligence.

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So, people have seen anomalous things for along time.... therefore, aliens.

Nice.

Ceepea said:

Conjecture.

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Conjecture, speculation, and deductive reasoning is what lead to the discovery of everything from the atom, to the Higgs boson, and to pretty much everything we understand about the cosmos.

It's one of the few things we're actually pretty good at as a species.

Wilksey said:

Conjecture, speculation, and deductive reasoning is what lead to the discovery of everything from the atom, to the Higgs boson, and to pretty much everything we understand about the cosmos.

It's one of the few things we're actually pretty good at as a species.

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It's better to see a lion in the bushes when there is none, as opposed to not seeing a lion in the bushes when there is one. There is real scientific evidence to support those ideas, UFOology is a pseudoscience where people set out to fill their cognitive biases.

People who want to see UFO's/aliens, see UFO's/aliens. The problem is most people never attempt to falsify their beliefs. It's easier to jump to a conclusion based on specious evidence, AT BEST then to actually figure out what's going on. UFO folks are never satisfied with "I don't know".....

Ceepea said:

It's better to see a lion in the bushes when there is none, as opposed to not seeing a lion in the bushes when there is one. There is real scientific evidence to support those ideas, UFOology is a pseudoscience where people set out to fill their cognitive biases.

People who want to see UFO's/aliens, see UFO's/aliens. The problem is most people never attempt to falsify their beliefs. It's easier to jump to a conclusion based on specious evidence, AT BEST then to actually figure out what's going on. UFO folks are never satisfied with "I don't know".....

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This also holds true for humans that don't want to see the reality before them.

Be it a spouse ignoring their cheating partner, a scientist refusing to accept multiple test results, or human beings outright discounting the observations made by their peers with their own eyes, and equipment.

People are going to believe what they want to believe.

I have not seen irrefutable evidence to indicate their existence, therefore i cannot honestly say "aliens do exist."

However, considering the sheer vastness of the universe, combined with our relatively weak ability to analyze a mere fraction of it... i feel it would be more absurd, to assert "aliens do not exist."

I think it's very likely that they do, but 'we' haven't encountered proof... only phenomena and anomalies, which could indicate extraterrestrial beings, but does not necessarily mean "aliens exist (and have been here)."

So... Probably, but i don't know.


IMO, the negative assertion is the least plausible of the 3 possible answers.

Wilksey said:

This also holds true for humans that don't want to see the reality before them.

Be it a spouse ignoring their cheating partner, a scientist refusing to accept multiple test results, or human beings outright discounting the observations made by their peers with their own eyes, and equipment.

People are going to believe what they want to believe.

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Any 'scientist' that doesn't accept test results that are repeatedly verified isn't following the scientific method and shouldn't call themselves a scientist.

I don't 'want' to believe one way or the other. I honestly believe that somewhere, there is life on another planet but the 'evidence' that supposedly 'proves' that they've visited earth is shabby at best.

Simply saying, 'we don't know, therefore aliens', isn't the least bit scientific.

Wilksey said:

Absolutely.

First, we've had citizens the world over see them, and the craft they operate to get here.

Second, ours is but one of trillions and trillions of floating rocks in the cosmos, it is ludicrous to believe we are the ONLY rock that has life aboard.

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and yet on this big ass rock.... there is only one me

thepenofareadywriter said:

and yet on this big ass rock.... there is only one me

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How do you know?

Have you met everyone else?

reasonevangelist said:

How do you know?

Have you met everyone else?

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no... but I sure as hell have meet {ME}