Distilled drinking alcohol & pesticide concentration

Distilled alcoholic beverages, are pesticides an issue?

  • Yes - the pesticides are concentrated and they sure are tasty! (sarcasm)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No - pesticides are yummy but unfortunately do not concentrate (sarcasm again wtf?)

    Votes: 2 50.0%

  • WTF are pesticides?

    Votes: 2 50.0%
  • Total voters
    4
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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Has anyone researched the possibility that the distillation of ethanol from grains or other sources that have been treated with pesticides should result in concentration of pesticide residuals and breakdown byproducts?

I'm seeking any credible information related to this subject.
 
Diabolical666

Diabolical666

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  • Chemicals Additives in Beer” by the Center of Science and Public Interest-source The pesticides may be the least of our worries, brief example..

  • Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) – alcohol is already addictive with some people, but with MSG?! Holy smokes.

  • Propylene Glycol (an ingredient found in anti-freeze)

  • Calcium Disodium EDTA (made from formaldehyde, sodium cayanide, and Ethylenediamine)

  • Many different types of sulfites and anti-microbial preservatives (linked to allergies and asthma)

  • Natural Flavors (can come from anything natural including a beavers anal gland)

  • High Fructose Corn Syrup

  • GMO Sugars – Dextrose, Corn Syrup

  • Caramel Coloring (Class III or IV made from ammonia and classified as a carcinogen)

  • FD&C Blue 1 (Made from petroleum, linked to allergies, asthma and hyperactivity)
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  • FD&C Red 40 (Made from petroleum, linked to allergies, asthma and hyperactivity)
    ​
  • FD&C Yellow 5 (Made from petroleum, linked to allergies, asthma and hyperactivity)
    ​
  • Insect-Based Dyes: carmine derived from cochineal insects to color their beer.
    ​
  • Animal Based Clarifiers: Findings include isinglass (dried fish bladder), gelatin (from skin, connective tissue, and bones), and casein (found in milk)
    ​
  • Foam Control: Used for head retention; (glyceryl monostearate and pepsin are both potentially derived from animals)
    ​
  • BPA (Bisphenol A is a component in many can liners and it may leach into the beer. BPA can mimic the female hormone estrogen and may affect sperm count, and other organ functions.)
    ​
  • Carrageenan (linked to inflammation in digestive system, IBS and considered a carcinogen in some circumstances)
    ​
 
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CaretakerDad

Well-Known Member
SnapsProvolone said:
Has anyone researched the possibility that the distillation of ethanol from grains or other sources that have been treated with pesticides should result in concentration of pesticide residuals and breakdown byproducts?

I'm seeking any credible information related to this subject.
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Darn good question. I will say that the distillation process which is repeated to achieve higher alcohol content/purity relies on the vaporization temperature to purify ethanol and anything that would be carried and potentially concentrated would have to have the same (or close depending on the quality of your distillation apparatus) vapor point and that is unlikely IMHO. I am curious if there is a data base of information.
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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My point is that some concentrated residual content in distilled liquor may be responsible for some of the negative health effects currently blamed on alcohol itself.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
Diabolical666 said:
  • Chemicals Additives in Beer” by the Center of Science and Public Interest-source The pesticides may be the least of our worries, brief example..

  • Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) – alcohol is already addictive with some people, but with MSG?! Holy smokes.

  • Propylene Glycol (an ingredient found in anti-freeze)

  • Calcium Disodium EDTA (made from formaldehyde, sodium cayanide, and Ethylenediamine)

  • Many different types of sulfites and anti-microbial preservatives (linked to allergies and asthma)

  • Natural Flavors (can come from anything natural including a beavers anal gland)

  • High Fructose Corn Syrup

  • GMO Sugars – Dextrose, Corn Syrup

  • Caramel Coloring (Class III or IV made from ammonia and classified as a carcinogen)

  • FD&C Blue 1 (Made from petroleum, linked to allergies, asthma and hyperactivity)​
  • FD&C Red 40 (Made from petroleum, linked to allergies, asthma and hyperactivity)​
  • FD&C Yellow 5 (Made from petroleum, linked to allergies, asthma and hyperactivity)​
  • Insect-Based Dyes: carmine derived from cochineal insects to color their beer.​
  • Animal Based Clarifiers: Findings include isinglass (dried fish bladder), gelatin (from skin, connective tissue, and bones), and casein (found in milk)​
  • Foam Control: Used for head retention; (glyceryl monostearate and pepsin are both potentially derived from animals)​
  • BPA (Bisphenol A is a component in many can liners and it may leach into the beer. BPA can mimic the female hormone estrogen and may affect sperm count, and other organ functions.)​
  • Carrageenan (linked to inflammation in digestive system, IBS and considered a carcinogen in some circumstances)​
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

youre fucking retarded if you believe that shit.

one drop of carageenan in a vat of beer without putting it on the label of each bottle or can produced results in massive fines or the loss of your license.

check the label on your Coors Light, and see if you can spot any propylene glycol, "calcium disodium" or high fructose corn syrup in your Silver Bullet.

"the center for science in the public interest" is a lefty think tank that is really just a bunch of way out aging hippies and marxist activists sitting in a drum circle dreaming up new lies to tell to try and "Smash Capitalism".

believing anything those assholes say is the height of stupidity.

those dickheads use the same claims against every product or company with little or no alteration in the details, relying on the stupidity of the rubes to create the baseless fear they desire.

also, how do they know the "GMO sugars" are GMO, since there is no test known to science that can differentiate between GMO glucose or "Natural Organic Small Batch Artisinal Glucose harvested from the nectar glands of wild honeysuckle plants on the north slope of the tyrolean alps under a full moon by supple young virgins", and anybody who claims otherwise is a liar. .
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
SnapsProvolone said:
My point is that some concentrated residual content in distilled liquor may be responsible for some of the negative health effects currently blamed on alcohol itself.
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very few pesiticides can survive the harvesting, drying, malting, milling, mulching, fermenting filtering and chilling processes.

the eco-frootloops are desperately trying to create the impression that "Pesiticides, Roundup, and other Chemicals" are magical elixirs that forever taint the crops upon which they are applied, rendering them toxic, or at least "Ritually Unclean" for all eternity.

the fact is, "pesticide residue" is a fabrication created by the eco-lobby to instill fear.

your PBR is safe.
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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I'm not talking about beer, only distilled (concentrated) alcohol.

I assumed perhaps the breakdown byproducts might be more likely as much heat is involved in distillation.

Really just looking for any known study results. Not guesses.
 
Diabolical666

Diabolical666

Well-Known Member
Dr Kynes said:
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

youre fucking retarded if you believe that shit.

one drop of carageenan in a vat of beer without putting it on the label of each bottle or can produced results in massive fines or the loss of your license.

check the label on your Coors Light, and see if you can spot any propylene glycol, "calcium disodium" or high fructose corn syrup in your Silver Bullet.

"the center for science in the public interest" is a lefty think tank that is really just a bunch of way out aging hippies and marxist activists sitting in a drum circle dreaming up new lies to tell to try and "Smash Capitalism".

believing anything those assholes say is the height of stupidity.

those dickheads use the same claims against every product or company with little or no alteration in the details, relying on the stupidity of the rubes to create the baseless fear they desire.

also, how do they know the "GMO sugars" are GMO, since there is no test known to science that can differentiate between GMO glucose or "Natural Organic Small Batch Artisinal Glucose harvested from the nectar glands of wild honeysuckle plants on the north slope of the tyrolean alps under a full moon by supple young virgins", and anybody who claims otherwise is a liar. .
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Yea I dont drinnk ....so you can drink all that poison you want. Yea...umm....they dont put content labels on beer n alcohol numb nuts
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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Diabolical666 said:
Yea I dont drinnk ....so you can drink all that poison you want. Yea...umm....they dont put content labels on beer n alcohol numb nuts
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yes they do.

if it contains anything other than water yeast hops and malted grain, it will be listed.

just like wine, if it contains anything other than fermented grapes it's on the label, even if it is just the words "contains sulfites"

what that means is:

if your beer can says "_____________extract" or anything similar your beer contains maltred grain, water, yeast hops and "___________________extract"

if your wine bottle says "contains sulfites" it's full ingredient list is : fermented grapes, sulfites.

budweiser (which uses rice in it's brews) details the actual ingredients right on the can, on the front


if your brewski doesnt have an ingredients list on it, then it contains water, yeast, hops and malted grain.

if it contains anything else it aint beer, so it will have a list of ingredients, just like that wine cooler you gave the chubby freshman last week, to try and get into her plus sized panties.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
SnapsProvolone said:
I'm not talking about beer, only distilled (concentrated) alcohol.

I assumed perhaps the breakdown byproducts might be more likely as much heat is involved in distillation.

Really just looking for any known study results. Not guesses.
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then look into pesticides.

they are designed to break down under normal weather conditions before harvest, leaving minimal residuals.

after transport, malting, roasting, milling, mulching, fermenting and filtering there will be no "pesticide" left.

and in case your didnt know, thats how ALL grain ethyl alcohol is made, whether in a beer can or in a whiskey bottle.

distilled liquors simply add the distillation steps, which involves MORE heat, and the removal of everything that isnt desirable in the finished booze. including the mythological "pesticide residue".

if youre lookinjg for somebody to prove a negative, and trot out "scientific studies" about whats NOT in your bottle of Jack Daniels, youll be waiting a long time.
 
Doer

Doer

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SnapsProvolone said:
My point is that some concentrated residual content in distilled liquor may be responsible for some of the negative health effects currently blamed on alcohol itself.
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I think the physics of distillation preclude this concept. Do you know about the "tail" and the "head?"

Both ends of the still process produce all kinds of junk as I understand it. It is quite a process to get only the ethanol and no methanol, etc.

That is why moonshine can be deadly, you know. If they get enough methanol mixed in, you can shit AND go blind. :)
 
Mr. Bongwater

Mr. Bongwater

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i love well made homebrew, remember to pour in a glass though don't drink out of the bottle it'll make u sick, pour out the bottoms. my god does it ever get u drunk
 
Rrog

Rrog

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Who would enter a reasonable thread and start spewing so disgustingly?

Fuck this- fuck that -fuck you.

Asshole asshole

Wow. That's so effective.

There are myriad ingredients that don't have to be listed. Industrial lubricants on assembly lines? Free pass. They coat fruit and need not be listed. Just eat it
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
Rrog said:
Who would enter a reasonable thread and start spewing so disgustingly?

Fuck this- fuck that -fuck you.

Asshole asshole

Wow. That's so effective.

There are myriad ingredients that don't have to be listed. Industrial lubricants on assembly lines? Free pass. They coat fruit and need not be listed. Just eat it
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fruit is coated with a wax made from FRUIT. it is food, and is readily washed off if you desire, but most dont bother.

i worked at a bottling polant for years, and there were no "industrial lubricants" in the production line.

even the conveyors were lubricated with a constant spray of plain water. should water be on the label too? water on the OUTSIDE of the bottle?

you are manufacturing outrage at a dizzying rate.

every step of our production was monitored by not just federal watchdogs from the FDA and AG dept, but also by a rabbi who adheres to a higher standard, he had keys to the factory and could show up any time he wished.

he would sneak up behind me at 4 in the morning during the cleanout to take samples, pop by during a production run to inspect for cleanliness, and stroll right into the owner's office whenever he felt like it.
 
ficklejester

ficklejester

Well-Known Member
Diabolical666 said:
  • Chemicals Additives in Beer” by the Center of Science and Public Interest-source The pesticides may be the least of our worries, brief example..

  • Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) – alcohol is already addictive with some people, but with MSG?! Holy smokes.

  • Propylene Glycol (an ingredient found in anti-freeze)

  • Calcium Disodium EDTA (made from formaldehyde, sodium cayanide, and Ethylenediamine)

  • Many different types of sulfites and anti-microbial preservatives (linked to allergies and asthma)

  • Natural Flavors (can come from anything natural including a beavers anal gland)

  • High Fructose Corn Syrup

  • GMO Sugars – Dextrose, Corn Syrup

  • Caramel Coloring (Class III or IV made from ammonia and classified as a carcinogen)

  • FD&C Blue 1 (Made from petroleum, linked to allergies, asthma and hyperactivity)​
  • FD&C Red 40 (Made from petroleum, linked to allergies, asthma and hyperactivity)​
  • FD&C Yellow 5 (Made from petroleum, linked to allergies, asthma and hyperactivity)​
  • Insect-Based Dyes: carmine derived from cochineal insects to color their beer.​
  • Animal Based Clarifiers: Findings include isinglass (dried fish bladder), gelatin (from skin, connective tissue, and bones), and casein (found in milk)​
  • Foam Control: Used for head retention; (glyceryl monostearate and pepsin are both potentially derived from animals)​
  • BPA (Bisphenol A is a component in many can liners and it may leach into the beer. BPA can mimic the female hormone estrogen and may affect sperm count, and other organ functions.)​
  • Carrageenan (linked to inflammation in digestive system, IBS and considered a carcinogen in some circumstances)​
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DrKynes speaks the truth.
That article has a lot of propaganda. Propylene glycol is a bactericide and is in medicines.
 
Daub Marley

Daub Marley

Active Member
Doer said:
I think the physics of distillation preclude this concept. Do you know about the "tail" and the "head?"

Both ends of the still process produce all kinds of junk as I understand it. It is quite a process to get only the ethanol and no methanol, etc.
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Correct. The containment would have to form an azeotrope with the ethanol to be carried over (fractional distillation). The ethanol is easily separated from the rest by disposing the head and tail.

Doer said:
That is why moonshine can be deadly, you know. If they get enough methanol mixed in, you can shit AND go blind. :)
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Yeah but for most moonshine operations that's a myth. I believe most of the ill effects can probably be attributed to their horrible still set up (car radiators and what not). From my understanding methanol comes from the fermentation of more woody materials. So grapes will give you some, but including the stems will give a lot more. Either way just get rid of the head and tail and your good.
 
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