dick-cheney-torture-i-would-do-it-again-in-a-minute-official-thread

[Dr Kynes]

The Hague's unwillingness to prosecute Cheney and Bush as war criminals shows that it is as much of a sham as America's stance on foreign policy while supporting Israel.

if only the jews could be pushed into the sea, then we would have peace...

when the hague files indictments against the heads of fatah, hamas, hezzbollah, isis/isil, omar al bashir, ali khameni, hassan nazrallah, etc etc etc., then we can talk about the evil Boo0o0oo0osh and Darth Cheney.

 

[NoDrama]

and yet there are no credible allegations that the interrogators pulled anybody's fingernails, not even with pliers.

Pulling nails wouldn't be called torture, that would be called "moderate physical pressure." Palestinian crucifixions, water boarding, forced homosexual acts, sweatboxes, forced standing in place are some of the methods that are admitted to. Surely you don't mean to imply that we are getting the whole picture here? You don't think the US would willingly admit to "heavy physical pressure", that would make us look worse than we already do.

 

[sheskunk]

well you've digressed, so that's one for schuylaar

It appears as if your practicing has driven you to insanity.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Pulling nails wouldn't be called torture, that would be called "moderate physical pressure." Palestinian crucifixions, water boarding, forced homosexual acts, sweatboxes, forced standing in place are some of the methods that are admitted to. Surely you don't mean to imply that we are getting the whole picture here? You don't think the US would willingly admit to "heavy physical pressure", that would make us look worse than we already do.

if nail pulling were "moderate physical pressure" it would have been done (still not sweating that, not for these clowns) and yet it has NOT been done. you cannot argue that the US is using torture by claiming actual tortures which were NOT done would be classified as not torture and thus could have been done, even though it was not done.

"palestinian crucifixion" is a bullshit term designed to IMPLY torture when in fact the "torture" is having their hands bound behind them which is NOT torture. you attempt to imply the use of strappado, but strappado requires suspending the victim by his bound hands, which was NOT done. if being bound is "torture" then the cops use torture thousands of times every day.

"waterboarding" yeah, thats pretty rough, if it were being done to ordinary criminals, or to force a confession. they are doing it to force the target to surrender INTEL on his associates who are plotting some new atrocity. if getting wet in the CIA dunk tank is the worst that happens they should be grateful i aint the one tasked with extracting information.

"forced homosexual acts" really. pics or it didnt happen. if you refer to the infamous Dude Piles in abu graihb, that was humiliation not sexual assault. if that's torture then every "pride parade" is a crime against humanity , victimizing every prudish chrisitan fringe weirdo who is offended by it.

sweat boxes? please. these dinks come from sandland, their whole fucking caliphate is a sweatbox.

forced standing??? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!

if this shit is "torture" then my time in the public schools should be re-evaluated. maybe i should call the hague and demand some teachers and principles stand for crimes against humanity.

feigned outrage is still feigned.

 

[Rob Roy]

you can have your silly little gris gris, and repeat "non-initiation principle" till the sky falls, thats why we have grownups who make the hard choices.

if khalid sheikh mohammed needs to get a little damp to make him roll over on his compatriots i have no qualms about it.

he chose his path in life, and that path can sometimes result in unpleasant experiences.
he didnt mind plotting to murder a great many innocent people, but now he is a hothouse orchid who requires delicate treatment? i think not.

KSM and all his compatriots put on their big boy kaftans and set about to make everybody else suffer, when they get caught they should expect to be grilled like a kipper till they squimp on their buddies.

if it causes you such pain and misery to think about how poorly the noble "freedom fighters" of sandland are being treated, then you should perhaps put your efforts to counseling the young people of sandland, and ecouraging them to NOT engage in shenanigans which might land their asses in the rough workmans hands of the gitmo interrogators.

think of all the delicate sensibilities you could protect by stopping these dipshits from embarking on their campaigns of bombings rapes and hijackings.

after all, if the threat of Tortures like seeing a koran get shit on, or being deprived of their afternoon siestas saves even one junior jihadi from being interrogates until his feels are hurt, isnt the entire program worth it?

also, who said anything about blowing up schools?

and alice cooper would slap the taste out of your mouth for uttering his name in the same post with all that sissy talk.

You collectively demonize people and fail to see their individuality. Some of the people in ahem "Sandland" are fucked in the head, just like some of the people in the good old USA. Some are good people, but even horrible people have the same rights as you and I do. By torturing people you destroy humanity, and advance the idea that it is okay to harm a person that has no capacity to harm anyone.

You also ignore due process and proceed right to the lynching absent any review of how and why and what occurred. If, "all men are created equal" don't they all deserve the right to a hearing?

Your bravado is interesting but you never justified torturing a person, you tried. but you failed.

Also, maybe you can explain what business the USA's unconstitutional army has conducting imperialism abroad ?

I'm pretty sure I could kick Alice Coopers ass with one hand tied behind my back too, but I digress and don't want to get into an internet dick measuring contest. Somewhere in the attic, I might even have the original album...lol.

 

[Dr Kynes]

You collectively demonize people and fail to see their individuality. Some of the people in ahem "Sandland" are fucked in the head, just like some of the people in the good old USA. Some are good people, but even horrible people have the same rights as you and I do. By torturing people you destroy humanity, and advance the idea that it is okay to harm a person that has no capacity to harm anyone.

You also ignore due process and proceed right to the lynching absent any review of how and why and what occurred. If, "all men are created equal" don't they all deserve the right to a hearing?

Your bravado is interesting but you never justified torturing a person, you tried. but you failed.

Also, maybe you can explain what business the USA's unconstitutional army has conducting imperialism abroad ?

I'm pretty sure I could kick Alice Coopers ass with one hand tied behind my back too, but I digress and don't want to get into an internet dick measuring contest. Somewhere in the attic, I might even have the original album...lol.

i collectively "demonize" people who, of their own volition joined a band of brigands murderers and cutthroats (literally) and schemed to murder innocent people in far away lands, and in their own villages to advance their whackadoo politco/religious agenda.

yep. thats a collective that "demonizes" itself.

individuals who make war on women and children have no rights as humans, they gave those rights up when they started putting bombs in retarded kids' backpacks.
and they have received all the "Process" they are "Due" under the articles or war, as spies and saboteurs, under the law of the sea, as pirates, and under the international laws and customs they so gleefully violate.
"Due Process" is not a slogan, it refers to "Process" which is "Due" and they get none, thus none are due.

"bravado" how clever. you imply i am some internet toughguy, but the fact is, i simply have no remorse for evil doers. i dont have to justify torture, since no torture was used.
if you wish to classify psychological pressure, humiliation and incarceration "torture", then you are a pussy.

granted the US army is unconstitutional, but that's another subject.
your argument that they are engaged in "imperialism" falls flat since iraq was turned back over to the iraqis, and now it is once again in the hands of the same dickheads who prompted the action that resulted in the previous occupation. and afganistan will go the same way.

and no, i dont believe you could kick alice coopers ass.

 

[Rob Roy]

i collectively "demonize" people who, of their own volition joined a band of brigands murderers and cutthroats (literally) and schemed to murder innocent people in far away lands, and in their own villages to advance their whackadoo politco/religious agenda.

yep. thats a collective that "demonizes" itself.

individuals who make war on women and children have no rights as humans, they gave those rights up when they started putting bombs in retarded kids' backpacks.
and they have received all the "Process" they are "Due" under the articles or war, as spies and saboteurs, under the law of the sea, as pirates, and under the international laws and customs they so gleefully violate.
"Due Process" is not a slogan, it refers to "Process" which is "Due" and they get none, thus none are due.

"bravado" how clever. you imply i am some internet toughguy, but the fact is, i simply have no remorse for evil doers. i dont have to justify torture, since no torture was used.
if you wish to classify psychological pressure, humiliation and incarceration "torture", then you are a pussy.

granted the US army is unconstitutional, but that's another subject.
your argument that they are engaged in "imperialism" falls flat since iraq was turned back over to the iraqis, and now it is once again in the hands of the same dickheads who prompted the action that resulted in the previous occupation. and afganistan will go the same way.

and no, i dont believe you could kick alice coopers ass.

If individuals that make war on women and children have no rights, please explain Hiroshima, My Lai and the routine killing of women and children by your "heroes" .

If you are invoking articles of war, why hasn't your Congress declared war...or has that fallen into the ash heap as unfashionable?


I didn't say I wanted to kick Alice Coopers ass, I said I could, your not believing it won't make it false. I could kick Ted Nugents ass too, I'd tell him to put up his Amboy Dukes and then punch his feeble lites out.

 

[UncleBuck]

i collectively "demonize" people who, of their own volition joined a band of brigands murderers and cutthroats (literally) and schemed to murder innocent people in far away lands, and in their own villages to advance their whackadoo politco/religious agenda.

yep. thats a collective that "demonizes" itself.

individuals who make war on women and children have no rights as humans, they gave those rights up when they started putting bombs in retarded kids' backpacks.
and they have received all the "Process" they are "Due" under the articles or war, as spies and saboteurs, under the law of the sea, as pirates, and under the international laws and customs they so gleefully violate.
"Due Process" is not a slogan, it refers to "Process" which is "Due" and they get none, thus none are due.

"bravado" how clever. you imply i am some internet toughguy, but the fact is, i simply have no remorse for evil doers. i dont have to justify torture, since no torture was used.
if you wish to classify psychological pressure, humiliation and incarceration "torture", then you are a pussy.

granted the US army is unconstitutional, but that's another subject.
your argument that they are engaged in "imperialism" falls flat since iraq was turned back over to the iraqis, and now it is once again in the hands of the same dickheads who prompted the action that resulted in the previous occupation. and afganistan will go the same way.

and no, i dont believe you could kick alice coopers ass.

your full throated defense of torture really does boost your case for "european cultural superiority".

 

[Rob Roy]

your full throated defense of torture really does boost your case for "european cultural superiority".

It's time for me to go to bed. I actually share an opinion with you that torture is wrong. Damn!

 

[UncleBuck]

It's time for me to go to bed. I actually share an opinion with you that torture is wrong. Damn!

i did not make my opinion on torture known.

i simply contrasted kkkynes' belief in ":european cultural superiority" with the savage practice of torture.

 

[Dr Kynes]

If individuals that make war on women and children have no rights, please explain Hiroshima, My Lai and the routine killing of women and children by your "heroes" .

If you are invoking articles of war, why hasn't your Congress declared war...or has that fallen into the ash heap as unfashionable?


I didn't say I wanted to kick Alice Coopers ass, I said I could, your not believing it won't make it false. I could kick Ted Nugents ass too, I'd tell him to put up his Amboy Dukes and then punch his feeble lites out.

sure, ill explain all that shit, and ill make it so simple even Toby could understand it.

Hiroshima: during WW2, the Axis (including Japan) instituted an offical policy of "Total War" specifying that civilians WERE targets (note the buzz bombs dropped randomly on britain, particularly london, the incendiary and totally random fugu balloons sent to the west coast (google it) which were still killing children in the 1950's, the shelling of port hueneme, carpinteria and several other west coast towns, etc etc etc)
when the enemy declares that civilians are targets, they cant cry foul when they get the same treatment, especially when the "civilians" targeted are a major part of their war machinery. (see Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki)

My Lai: ISOLATED War Crime perpetrated by SOME americans, stopped by ANOTHER american, prosecuted by the american courts.

"Routine Killing of Women & Children": collateral damage from the enemy hiding in and amongst the population.

try harder.

congress hasnt declared war because there is no nation to declare war on. we are facing PIRATES not armies.

your internet toughguy routine is soft.

 

[schuylaar]

You collectively demonize people and fail to see their individuality. Some of the people in ahem "Sandland" are fucked in the head, just like some of the people in the good old USA. Some are good people, but even horrible people have the same rights as you and I do. By torturing people you destroy humanity, and advance the idea that it is okay to harm a person that has no capacity to harm anyone.

You also ignore due process and proceed right to the lynching absent any review of how and why and what occurred. If, "all men are created equal" don't they all deserve the right to a hearing?

Your bravado is interesting but you never justified torturing a person, you tried. but you failed.

Also, maybe you can explain what business the USA's unconstitutional army has conducting imperialism abroad ?

I'm pretty sure I could kick Alice Coopers ass with one hand tied behind my back too, but I digress and don't want to get into an internet dick measuring contest. Somewhere in the attic, I might even have the original album...lol.

if it's "welcome to my nightmare" or "schools out", would you consider parting with it for cash?

 

[Rob Roy]

i did not make my opinion on torture known.

i simply contrasted kkkynes' belief in ":european cultural superiority" with the savage practice of torture.

Okay.

What is your opinion of torture ?

 

[Rob Roy]

sure, ill explain all that shit, and ill make it so simple even Toby could understand it.

Hiroshima: during WW2, the Axis (including Japan) instituted an offical policy of "Total War" specifying that civilians WERE targets (note the buzz bombs dropped randomly on britain, particularly london, the incendiary and totally random fugu balloons sent to the west coast (google it) which were still killing children in the 1950's, the shelling of port hueneme, carpinteria and several other west coast towns, etc etc etc)
when the enemy declares that civilians are targets, they cant cry foul when they get the same treatment, especially when the "civilians" targeted are a major part of their war machinery. (see Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki)

My Lai: ISOLATED War Crime perpetrated by SOME americans, stopped by ANOTHER american, prosecuted by the american courts.

"Routine Killing of Women & Children": collateral damage from the enemy hiding in and amongst the population.

try harder.

congress hasnt declared war because there is no nation to declare war on. we are facing PIRATES not armies.

your internet toughguy routine is soft.

Words on paper do not alter the fact the USA's military KNOWINGLY fried women and children alive. It's also common knowledge the nuclear atrocities the USA did were totally unnecessary. The bombs were new toys that the murderous regime just wanted to try out.

THOSE people were not "the enemy", they couldn't possibly be. I suppose you also approve of the concentration camps in the USA during WW II for Japanese-Americans too?

I'm not an internet tough guy. Your belly is soft, mine is fur covered, flat and rippled from a rich diet of nuts, berries, wild birds eggs and mountain marmots supplemented by hiking mountain passes daily in search of caves to sleep in.

 

[Padawanbater2]

i collectively "demonize" people who, of their own volition joined a band of brigands murderers and cutthroats (literally) and schemed to murder innocent people in far away lands, and in their own villages to advance their whackadoo politco/religious agenda.

Of course an ignoramus like you wouldn't know 22% (26 people) were found by the CIA to be improperly detained, but that doesn't matter so long as they come from 'sandland', huh...

i simply have no remorse for evil doers. i dont have to justify torture, since no torture was used.

"No torture"...

Examples of torture and abuse of prisoners

-The CIA had force fed some prisoners orally and/or anally in order to establish “total control over the detainee.”

-The Committee found that "[a]t least five CIA detainees were subjected to 'rectal rehydration' or rectal feeding without documented medical necessity."

-At least one prisoner was "diagnosed with chronic hemorrhoids, an anal fissure and symptomatic rectal prolapse," symptoms normally associated with a violent rape.

-CIA officials Scott Miller and James Pavitt were told that rectal exams of at least two prisoners had been conducted with "excessive force."

-Threats to rape and murder were made against the children or family members of prisoners.

-In November 2002 the CIA killed at least one prisoner during interrogation by hypothermia. No CIA employees were disciplined as a result of his death.

-At least four prisoners with injuries to their legs (two with broken feet, one with a sprained ankle and one with an amputated leg) were forced to stand on their injuries.

-Prisoners were told that they would be killed. (For example: one prisoner was told "We can never let the world know what I have done to you", another was told that the only way he would be allowed to leave the prison would be in a coffin.)

-One CIA interrogator who was subsequently sent home early threatened a prisoner with a gun and power drill and played Russian Roulette with him.

-At least two prisoners were victims of "mock executions."

-Several prisoners almost died and became completely unresponsive or nearly drowned during waterboarding.

-Abu Zubaydah's eye was so badly damaged during his time in prison that it was surgically removed.

-Prisoners were kept awake for over one week (180 hours) causing at least five to experience "disturbing" hallucinations.

-One prisoner was psychologically traumatized to the point of being "a broken man" but CIA operatives stopped short of "completely] breaking] [him]."

-Prisoners were forced to use buckets for toilets. As punishment, the waste bucket could be removed from a prisoner's cell.

-A report by the Federal Bureau of Prisons found that "they [had] never been in a facility where individuals were so sensory deprived i.e., constant white noise, no talking, everyone in the dark, with the guards wearing a light on their head when they collected and escorted a detainee to an interrogation cell, detainees constantly being shackled to the wall or floor, and the starkness of each cell (concrete and bars). There is nothing like this in the Federal Bureau of Prisons... detainees were not being treated... humanely."

-Janat Gul was tortured for months based on false accusations made by an informant.

-One prisoner was placed in a box the size of a coffin for over 11 days and was also placed for 29 hours in a box 21 inches (53 cm) wide, 2.5 feet (76 cm) deep and 2.5 feet (76 cm) high.

-CIA interrogators used unauthorized forms of torture such as forcing a prisoner to stand with his hand over his head for 2 1/2 days, putting a pistol next to his head and bathing him with a stiff brush.

-One detainee was subjected to "ice water baths" and 66 hours of standing sleep deprivation. He was later released as the CIA had mistaken his identity.

-Torture of prisoners led to serious mental harm (eg. dementia, paranoia, insomnia, and attempts at self-harm [including suicide])

-Of the 119 known detainees, at least 39 were tortured by the CIA. In at least six cases, the CIA used torture on suspects before evaluating whether they would be willing to cooperate.

Right from the Senate Report itself..

 

[Rob Roy]

if it's "welcome to my nightmare" or "schools out", would you consider parting with it for cash?

You might have to take the bag of striped bell bottoms too. Lol.

 

[schuylaar]

You might have to take the bag of striped bell bottoms too. Lol.

yes! are they "peanut" pants, too? (very low cut)

 

[ginwilly]

yes! are they "peanut" pants, too? (very low cut)

love the hiphugger bellbottom look
The elephant bells need to make a comeback. I see levi has hiphugger bellbottom jeans again for women. That's cool. I don't think us men can pull off that look anymore. Although the 40's zoot suit fashion is still badass in my mind.

Pants in this pic aren't baggy enough but still sharp to me.

 

[schuylaar]

love the hiphugger bellbottom look
The elephant bells need to make a comeback. I see levi has hiphugger bellbottom jeans again for women. That's cool. I don't think us men can pull off that look anymore. Although the 40's zoot suit fashion is still badass in my mind.

Pants in this pic aren't baggy enough but still sharp to me.

GW what famous person do you resemble?

 

[ginwilly]

GW what famous person do you resemble?

I get called Keifer at work, but that was just a bad hair day that started that.

I don't know really. I'm taller than he is, but have the same big head. I'm darker too. When I rocked the porn stash I looked more like a young Tom Selleck (I wish). We are built alike and have the same features, but I'm more like his ugly brother. I'm Donnie to his Marky Mark.

I have finally reached that age where my hair is deciding whether it wants to turn gray or turn loose (gray for the win one time!!). Tom Selleck doesn't have that same issue.