dick-cheney-torture-i-would-do-it-again-in-a-minute-official-thread

[Dr Kynes]

I don't you can win an argument that torture is a good thing and stay on any moral high ground. That is all.

sure you can.

bad people who do bad things sometimes need to have bad things done to them to force them to reveal their sinister plots and nefarious co-conspirators.

hostis humani generis are not simple mafiosos or relatively harmless serial killers.
they are trying to destroy all civilization, so if a few of their fingernails need to be removed now and again, or some testicles need to be crushed with vise grips, the moral high ground is quite secure.

and really, it's the CIA.
they may not be torturing anybody, it may all be a devious ploy to make the jihadjis THINK they will have their insides turned out with the Pear Of Misery, or have their eyelids taped open as endless loops of Sex and the City 2 play, just to get them talking early and often.

hell the whole thing may be a put up job, and we dont even actually take prisoners, and Gitmo is really a secret Sandals Resort for high level govt officials and their mistresses.

so meta

 

[schuylaar]

yeah yeah yeah, everything is a meltdown, because you cant make a cogent argument.

terrorists are pirates, villains who operate outside the laws of any civilized land.

attempting to claim that the inability to find the results of tests that the manufacturers of "smart guns" have never allowed to be done is proof of the indestructibility of those gadgets, and thus evidence that terrorists deserve to be housed at luxury hotel spa on the french riviera, or they should be released is simply idiotic.

that is typical Bucklefucklism.

if anyone is "melting down" it's you.

cuz after all, if it saves even one life, isnt it worth taking away somebody's rights?

so in other words, you equate wearing a wrist watch to the taking away of your rights?

that sounds so catastrophic.

are you always this way, kynes?

 

[schuylaar]

I don't you can win an argument that torture is a good thing and stay on any moral high ground. That is all.

precisely.

 

[daybreaker]

I wanna know why we aren't going after Israelis who did it all with help from G Bush...ie.Dick Cheneys puppet and a lot of other top cia motherfuckers for blowing up new York and 4 of its buildings.That wasn't a question more rather a statement.The muslims never had anything to do with it.Yeah Israelis wearing turbins.

 

[daybreaker]

is tickelling torture???cuz I swear sometimes....HAHA

 

[heckler73]

I wanna know why we aren't going after Israelis who did it all with help from G Bush...ie.Dick Cheneys puppet and a lot of other top cia motherfuckers for blowing up new York and 4 of its buildings.That wasn't a question more rather a statement.The muslims never had anything to do with it.Yeah Israelis wearing turbins.

 

[daybreaker]

hence your name.

 

[Dr Kynes]

so in other words, you equate wearing a wrist watch to the taking away of your rights?

that sounds so catastrophic.

are you always this way, kynes?

the watch is not the issue.

the electronics inside the gun cannot stand the punishment.

if the device could take it, why havent they been examined and approved by UL or any other testing lab?
i dont even buy a $20 toaster without the UL sticker, why would i drop $1700 on a shitty 22 pistol without that sticker?

why only 22? cuz anything bigger shakes the electronics to pieces immediately.

your goal is transparent, mandate "Thmart Gunth" under law because we all need to "think of the children", and therefore the only arm legally available is a 22 rimfire that hasnt even passed UL testing, much less the rigorous arsenal testing of the US military, thus enacting a gun ban by simply requiring that the only guns allowed are useless paperweights.

you think youre super clever, but nope. you cry and bare your feels in a sociopathic display, designed to convince the rest of us that youre not really a black hearted scoundrel with a sinister agenda and, i assume, a volcano lair of some sort.

or maybe an auquadrome?

whatevs.

 

[daybreaker]

this is cool if your into that kinda stuf.

 

[heckler73]

this is cool if your into that kinda stuf.

I tried to warn you...now

Spoiler: DON'T OPEN, ah sheeeit I told you not to

"they"

will be coming.

 

[NoDrama]

(yes, my amps go to 11)

damn it, Mine only goes to 10.

 

[Rob Roy]

sure you can.

bad people who do bad things sometimes need to have bad things done to them to force them to reveal their sinister plots and nefarious co-conspirators.

hostis humani generis are not simple mafiosos or relatively harmless serial killers.
they are trying to destroy all civilization, so if a few of their fingernails need to be removed now and again, or some testicles need to crushed with vise grips, the moral high ground is quite secure.

and really, it's the CIA.
they may not be torturing anybody, it may all be a devious ploy to make the jihadjis THINK they will have their insides turned out with the Pear Of Misery, or have their eyelids taped open as endless loops of Sex and the City 2 play, just to get them talking early and often.

hell the whole thing may be a put up job, and we dont even actually take prisoners, and Gitmo is really a secret Sandals Resort for high level govt officials and their mistresses.

so meta

Torturing a person goes beyond the natural right that we all have to use self defense.

Also, once a person is in captivity, their ability to harm you is pretty restricted. Torturing a person in that circumstance is no longer an application of self defense, it then becomes an act of initiated aggression, which is of course "uncivilized" and barbaric.

The way to solve a crime is to have the person that committed the crime, restitute the person or person that were victimized, torturing a person doesn't address that.

I'm sorry that you find torture acceptable. It solves nothing.

 

[schuylaar]

Torturing a person goes beyond the natural right that we all have to use self defense.

Also, once a person is in captivity, their ability to harm you is pretty restricted. Torturing a person in that circumstance is no longer an application of self defense, it then becomes an act of initiated aggression, which is of course "uncivilized" and barbaric.

The way to solve a crime is to have the person that committed the crime, restitute the person or person that were victimized, torturing a person doesn't address that.

I'm sorry that you find torture acceptable. It solves nothing.

*****post!

just like embargo..how many times do we have to do the same thing and fail, to realize it's fucked up?!

it's such a weird concept, i can't wrap my brain around

+rep

 

[sheskunk]

Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results is called "practice".

 

[schuylaar]

Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results is called "practice".

and what would be the time limit of "practice", before you fucking give it up? 100 years? 200?

 

[Dr Kynes]

Torturing a person goes beyond the natural right that we all have to use self defense.

Also, once a person is in captivity, their ability to harm you is pretty restricted. Torturing a person in that circumstance is no longer an application of self defense, it then becomes an act of initiated aggression, which is of course "uncivilized" and barbaric.

The way to solve a crime is to have the person that committed the crime, restitute the person or person that were victimized, torturing a person doesn't address that.

I'm sorry that you find torture acceptable. It solves nothing.

so, lunatic murderous bastards who get caught should not be interrogated to try and get them to roll over on their co-conspirators who are plotting some new atrocity, because that would make you feel bad?

hostis humani generis has no rights, and dont even qualify as human.
they arent purse snatchers, armed robbers or even rapers, they are less than that.
they should receive whatever treatment is needed to stop their FRIENDS from blowing up airliners or machinegunning preschools, and once they are ALL in 3x5 concrete cells with wooden planks for beds, then we can talk about their "rights", which is pretty much limited to whether they want the knot on their noose to drape to the left or the right.

 

[Rob Roy]

so, lunatic murderous bastards who get caught should not be interrogated to try and get them to roll over on their co-conspirators who are plotting some new atrocity, because that would make you feel bad?

hostis humani generis has no rights, and dont even qualify as human.
they arent purse snatchers, armed robbers or even rapers, they are less than that.
they should receive whatever treatment is needed to stop their FRIENDS from blowing up airliners or machinegunning preschools, and once they are ALL in 3x5 concrete cells with wooden planks for beds, then we can talk about their "rights", which is pretty much limited to whether they want the knot on their noose to drape to the left or the right.

You don't prevent an atrocity by performing an atrocity.

You don't advance humanity, by ignoring it.

We all have the right to self defense. None of us have the right to torture anyone though. In order to torture a person, it implies they are ALREADY your captive, hence rendered incapable of mounting an act of initiated aggression against you. When you torture them, YOU become the one initiating aggression at that point.

As far as blowing up schools etc. Let's keep Alice Cooper out of it okay?

 

[Dr Kynes]

You don't prevent an atrocity by performing an atrocity.

You don't advance humanity, by ignoring it.

We all have the right to self defense. None of us have the right to torture anyone though. In order to torture a person, it implies they are ALREADY your captive, hence rendered incapable of mounting an act of initiated aggression against you. When you torture them, YOU become the one initiating aggression at that point.

As far as blowing up schools etc. Let's keep Alice Cooper out of it okay?

you can have your silly little gris gris, and repeat "non-initiation principle" till the sky falls, thats why we have grownups who make the hard choices.

if khalid sheikh mohammed needs to get a little damp to make him roll over on his compatriots i have no qualms about it.

he chose his path in life, and that path can sometimes result in unpleasant experiences.
he didnt mind plotting to murder a great many innocent people, but now he is a hothouse orchid who requires delicate treatment? i think not.

KSM and all his compatriots put on their big boy kaftans and set about to make everybody else suffer, when they get caught they should expect to be grilled like a kipper till they squimp on their buddies.

if it causes you such pain and misery to think about how poorly the noble "freedom fighters" of sandland are being treated, then you should perhaps put your efforts to counseling the young people of sandland, and ecouraging them to NOT engage in shenanigans which might land their asses in the rough workmans hands of the gitmo interrogators.

think of all the delicate sensibilities you could protect by stopping these dipshits from embarking on their campaigns of bombings rapes and hijackings.

after all, if the threat of Tortures like seeing a koran get shit on, or being deprived of their afternoon siestas saves even one junior jihadi from being interrogates until his feels are hurt, isnt the entire program worth it?

also, who said anything about blowing up schools?

and alice cooper would slap the taste out of your mouth for uttering his name in the same post with all that sissy talk.

 

[sheskunk]

and what would be the time limit of "practice", before you fucking give it up? 100 years? 200?

Have you ever learned anything? The guitar maybe? Or knitting? Or Kung-fo? Or softball? Or singing? Or tying your shoe? You don't start life knowing anything. Most everything you do you had to learn at some point. Most of these things required practice in order to learn to do them properly. Doing them over and over and over again. Some of them require continued practice in order to keep your skills defined. Now please tell me how any of this is considered insanity?

 

[heckler73]

Have you ever learned anything? The guitar maybe? Or knitting? Or Kung-fo? Or softball? Or singing? Or tying your shoe? You don't start life knowing anything. Most everything you do you had to learn at some point. Most of these things required practice in order to learn to do them properly. Doing them over and over and over again. Some of them require continued practice in order to keep your skills defined. Now please tell me how any of this is considered insanity?

Einstein's quote has a tendency to be misapplied.
But I believe the finer detail can be garnered through considering one of your examples more closely.
If one were to just tune their guitar everyday, would they get better at playing VanHalen's Mean Streets Intro ?
No...that is where the insanity comes in to play. It comes down to how one responds and changes their approach to the "information barriers" which breaks the cycle of insanity.
In the case of the above, after tuning, one has to find the right notes and palm mutes. Once found, their rhythm must be sussed out, etc etc.

Progress...