Defoliation - Touchy Subject My Theory (Veg + Flower)

tropicalcannabispatient

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Don't know what to think - a few members of site are not even worth answering let alone reading their post's. "they" drive people off site with their attitude- maybe they need to roll a fat one a think about things - last post !!!!! Doesn't their post's go against what this site is for. I will not recommend this site to other people - were is the ADMIN to put a stop to their input and put downs of other members. he site is only as good as it's members
Need a shoulder to cry little fella? Or a pacifier?
 

chuck estevez

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Wow he calls those normal growth yellowing dieing leaves in veg like that and that small and that many problems. He also talks like he is a cult leader
here is some more bullshit wisdom from the REV,lol

revtheidiot said:
ou guys will really have a fit when I ripen these lol. Leaves are going to fall off and won't be any green to be found. In vegging, if bottom leaves are yellowing and all new branches and top growth are pretty and green, this is not a deficiency and many growers will start throwing nitrogen and cal mag ect. Not needed, once again just understand the tree and what it does. It eats off of itself to grow at times or repair damage roots. In flowering, it eats off of itself until death at the end and of course the better cannabinoids waiting at the end of a patient tunnel. If your new growth looks yellow or spotted ect, then yes there is a nutrition problem that needs attention. Blessings, rev.
 

anzohaze

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in that post look at the pics, look at his saucers,LOL look at the saucers in ALL his pics
Lololololol do you see his garden fairy in the same.pic.far right side... she is praying for a decent harvest. ANYONE CAN HAVE decent veg pics flower is when the problems occur and people shut the grow.journals down or poop no I just ran out of.time.to finish it
 

Impman

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My goodness... get a plant science book and take a class or two. the Grow Bible is a goddamn joke. Lame picture book for teenagers. Jorge Cervantes is burned the hell out. He has no degree to speak of.
comparing outdoor to indoor is so ignorant . outdoor is shwag weed , best outdoor crop goes for 800 a unit of you can find someone dumb enough to pay it. Good indoor is 2500-2800 a unit.
I'm still waiting on side by side comparison from the OP. instead we are comparing outdoor to indoor ? of course side lighting helps! it adds lumens. the sun has a shitton more lumens than indoor lighting, that's why the plants are bigger outside, holy shit man.
 

Budley Doright

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Lololololol do you see his garden fairy in the same.pic.far right side... she is praying for a decent harvest. ANYONE CAN HAVE decent veg pics flower is when the problems occur and people shut the grow.journals down or poop no I just ran out of.time.to finish it
Yes but he has problems in veg as well lol. Go forth young plant and feed thy self with thy self :). I just gotta say............ LOL!!!
 

SPLFreak808

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My goodness... get a plant science book and take a class or two. the Grow Bible is a goddamn joke. Lame picture book for teenagers. Jorge Cervantes is burned the hell out. He has no degree to speak of.
comparing outdoor to indoor is so ignorant . outdoor is shwag weed , best outdoor crop goes for 800 a unit of you can find someone dumb enough to pay it. Good indoor is 2500-2800 a unit.
I'm still waiting on side by side comparison from the OP. instead we are comparing outdoor to indoor ? of course side lighting helps! it adds lumens. the sun has a shitton more lumens than indoor lighting, that's why the plants are bigger outside, holy shit man.
I agree jc is burnt out but doesn't the sun only put out 10k per ft on a good day in a sunny state?
 

tropicalcannabispatient

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My goodness... get a plant science book and take a class or two. the Grow Bible is a goddamn joke. Lame picture book for teenagers. Jorge Cervantes is burned the hell out. He has no degree to speak of.
comparing outdoor to indoor is so ignorant . outdoor is shwag weed , best outdoor crop goes for 800 a unit of you can find someone dumb enough to pay it. Good indoor is 2500-2800 a unit.
I'm still waiting on side by side comparison from the OP. instead we are comparing outdoor to indoor ? of course side lighting helps! it adds lumens. the sun has a shitton more lumens than indoor lighting, that's why the plants are bigger outside, holy shit man.
U just a retard!!
 

bdonson

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anyone who mentions defoliation should be banned or sent to another forum who's title begin with dumbass. I try to check in every once in a while and there is always a dumbass thread about defoliation UB U R a saint peace out
 

bdonson

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BTW Ben we chatted here long ago about herm issues I had,,, It was well water at ph 7.8 things are better now cheers
 

BobCajun

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I think defoliation during flowering reduces potency. I've been doing a fairly heavy defol near the end of flowering to try to get more light to lower buds but potency has been consistently lower than what I think it should be. Then I read where an experiment was done that showed that resin glands don't depend on the nearby leaves to power resin production. It's the same even if the nearest leaves are yellow ones that don't produce much photosynthates. It said that it's the total leaf area that supplies the energy and that it is moved to the bud sites for production of resin. So it would be logical that the more leaf is present, the more potent will be the buds. So this time I'm going to leave them all on and see if it increases potency.

BTW I also used lizard lights and it was still lacking. I figure it's gotta be the defol. I also did other trimming of leaves whenever some looked excessive. So I'm pretty sure defol during flower does reduce potency. It was a bunch of different strains too, so can't chalk it up to a bad strain.

I also read a few studies where defol was done to various types of plants and it always reduced yields by almost as much as you would expect based on the percentage of leaf they removed. They never ever caught back up with the controls.
 

blowinmaryfast

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Def a valid point. I want to see your conclusion of you decide to experiment... Although I would personally be afraid to strip the plant while in full budding mode
 

BobCajun

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Def a valid point. I want to see your conclusion of you decide to experiment... Although I would personally be afraid to strip the plant while in full budding mode
I do have to remove a leaf or two, if there's a big one on top and it's shading several smaller shoots, but it's very few. I'm not going to strip a bunch off though like I did before. May end up with a lot of fluff but we'll see.
 

cocojo3

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I've done side by sides before and my conclusion every time is: don't.

I never take off leaves unless they're bunched to where I remove a few to prevent mold, the leaves are totally dead or I'm harvesting the plant. Defoliating has always reduced my yield.
 
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