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decarbing for cannabutter necessary?

Discussion in 'Medicating' started by nxsov180db, Aug 19, 2017.

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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    I know decarbing converts THC-a into THC but won't that happen when you heat up the butter and weed anyways? I've been decarbing but I obviously don't want to be decarbing if that's going to happen anyways in the crcok pot. And after edibles are made will freezing them have any effect on potency?
     
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    gb123

    gb123 Well-Known Member

    as long as the meds are BONE DRY..they are said to be decarbed

    heat only SPEEDS the process up... once its dry as toast its all done!

    people heat it in the over to make sure its dry as its usually FRESH and someowhat moist still.

    hope that helps.
     
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    Diabolical666

    Diabolical666 Well-Known Member

    Youre right aboit not needing to decarb prior. Freezing wont hurt anything..i freeze cookie dough all the time
     
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    Indacouch

    Indacouch Well-Known Member

    I don't make edibles personally, I like ice water hash and oil..so thats what all my popcorn and trim goes towards....But I do have a question you may or may not know. I grow for a few cancer and disabled people...I've actually heard of people literally eating buds to medicate....dried cured buds that they chew up and swallow. I've always been confused by this because if the while decarb thing...some people say that it's the heat that ((activates)) the medicine wether it's an oven or the act of smoking.....but now I see you saying it's just to dry out the bud....I'm not disagreeing with you...I'm just puzzled because there's lots of info on exact temps and times to decarb....obviously a dried and cured bud never sees temperatures anywhere close to recommended decarb temps....yet I think about the people who eat bud straight out of the cure jar and claim it medicated them...I'm confused by all of this
     
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    greg nr

    greg nr Well-Known Member

    I'm interested also, especially if someone has science to point to.

    There will still be cbd's as well as thc-a and a lot of terpines in undecarbed bud. Maybe a little actual thc. So the health benefits could come from those compounds.

    But from what I've seen, the research shows that the "natural" decarb process is extremely slow, to the point that the bud would be tasteless straw by the time it was converted.

    You don't get butter very warm when you extract. Probably not warm enough to complete a decarb during the time-frame you heat it. I've always heard you have to decarb unless you are going to bake the butter, which is always the case, no?
     
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    chemphlegm

    chemphlegm Well-Known Member

    this is interesting and I tend to believe this too, except when my weed ages its effects change too. what gives with that? the older the weed the droopier the eye
     
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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    My crock pot will simmer any water I add so I'm sure I'm warm enough for the decarb process. And my main edible is cookies that get baked at 350. So no reason to decarb I'm guessing. I'm just tired of stinking up the garage lol..
     
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    ChefDavid

    ChefDavid New Member

    Hi there everyone!

    I'm a Professional Chef. So I thought that possibly another point of view, would be refreshing. I've been growing other folks strains, for over 30 years. And I've been making Edibles for just as long. As I understand it, Decarboloxation must be performed, if you wish to turn the dried plant material, into a medicinal product. Through the Decarb process is done in a low temp (I use 205-215'F) for 40 minutes. There are many variations and "Recipes" that you can use. I do know that the science behind it, says, that by decarbing your plant material, it converts the THCa which is not as Bio-Available to THC that is extreamly Bio-Available. From my own experiences, whenever I am making Edibles. I want the Highest, Bio-Available ingredients and since my stuff goes mostly to medical patients, I want a quicker more stable reaction. I have heard about folks eating non-decarbed flower. And claiming the same effects. The science behind it says that the effects can be that of a placebo, product. For a human body, trying to target the Endocanabanoid System. The only valid way to turn a non-Bio-Available plants THCa to a more usable Bio-Available THC, is through Decarboloxation, at least that's my opinion. For what it's worth. Please, don't everyone jump down my throats at one time.

    I am looking to work with a few Breeders that may have unreleased Strains, that are to the point of needing to perform Clinical Test Studies. Just not sure which part of this site that I could find and talk with Breeders. Any advice would be helpful.
     
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    Sureshot2

    Sureshot2 Well-Known Member

    This is simply bad information. Drying out buds until they are bone dry (without heat) will not result in much decarbing, if any. If they were aged for months or years they will be partially decarbed, but even then it wont be close to a proper decarb in the oven or in an oil bath (for concentrates). If your making edibles you should expect to be decarbing as part of the process.
     
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    gb123

    gb123 Well-Known Member

    heat ONLY speeds up the process...look it up..

    its like saying you don't get high eating fresh wet pot apposed to dry pot...


    check it out..

    hope that helps more!
     
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    gb123

    gb123 Well-Known Member

    once dry it is said to be active...

    I killed my cancer over 7 years ago.,.... recurrent stage 4 colon cancer with metastasis to my liver ..
    The same cancer killed my father in less than three months...with chemo, radiation and surgery..
    I'm not alone in this deal...
     
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    Sureshot2

    Sureshot2 Well-Known Member

    This is completely false. How about you provide the sources you expect me to look up? Wet or dry it will still be THCa. There's still medical benefit to THCa, no doubt about it. But to say that it's decarbed once its dry is simply not true.
     
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    gb123

    gb123 Well-Known Member

    Far from false info.... it's quite accurate actually.:grin:
    you are take on the meaning of decarbing is kinda off in the process is all...
    people decarb their herb in ovens first not after in an oil bath like Greywolf suggests. I know the guy... lol...
    I wont argue with you
    until you've done it yourself...
    fair enough?
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2017
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    Sureshot2

    Sureshot2 Well-Known Member

    I don't need to do it myself. I make extracts to be used as medicine treating cancer and other disorders. I use proven methods and decarb using an oil bath and achieve exceptional conversion doing this. I have also dried raw flowers to around 10% or less water content and had them lab tested - in fact I'm looking at one right now that shows even at 11% moisture it tested 24.25% THCa and 0.87% Δ9-THC. If you don't believe me I can post the results.
     
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    gb123

    gb123 Well-Known Member

    cheers to helping out the others!
     
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    Sureshot2

    Sureshot2 Well-Known Member

    Oven, oil bath or hotplate - it's all the same, they all achieve the same end goal. I use an oil bath because I decarb my extract after making it, it makes no difference whether you do it before or after. Stop spreading false info without any actual evidence to back it up. Just for the hell of it, below is a lab test result of a bone dry sample (dry enough to crumble to dust with fingers) :
    test1.jpg

    I underlined the important numbers in red. Does that look decarbed to you?
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member

    I will have to search out the article I found with lab results but will mention what I remember reading about this.

    Fully cured and dry for 2 months or so showed only 25% active thc and even different decarb processes never got to 100%.

    Just boiling for butter or oil was like 35% or something.

    However. If we take the dry partially converted weed and now boil in butter and water more thc will convert. And when we bake some cookies with it even more converts.

    I notice the difference if I eat raw infused coconut oil we make as opposed to the muffins we baked in effect with the same 1 teaspoon dosage.

    I have not had any lab tests done to prove this myself.
     
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    Sureshot2

    Sureshot2 Well-Known Member

    I do know it will partially decarb over time, but from my experience it's not even close to 25% in two months. I would say its in the 10-15% range at best based on my own lab tests. My latest batch of oil tested at 97.1% active THC using my oil bath decarb. That's a pretty good in my book, and a much better medicine than what you would get simply using dried bud to make edibles or concentrate without decarbing at all.
     
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    ChefDavid

    ChefDavid New Member

    I have been decarbing Successfully in a Sous Vide Water Bath, so that nothing can ever escape during the heating process. The only down side is that you need a Vacuum Sealer, a Sous Vide Circulator, (I found a great one for less than $300, you don't need a $2,000 Circulator) a Water Bath Container w/lid, a separator and some rubber bands. Most Chef's have all of these already.

    One positive, No Smell!
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    I am definitely not arguing. I really want to know. Just repeating the info from a company selling a decarb appliance.

    Does breaking up the flowers on a cookie sheet in he oven not work reliably?

    And what about over heating the cannabanoids with cooking afterwards? Is that a risk?
     
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