UncleBuck
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no. 12 plants which have been carefully pruned for shape, much like the people who grow our citrus and nuts do.
Controversial Defoliation Increases Marijuana Yields
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Aeroknow
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I did that experiment about 20 yrs ago, before the internet existed, and before people on the internet called it "lollipopping ".
The results for me were: Similar amount of bud between both, but the lollipopped plants were easier to trim, and ended up with no larf in the bag. A no fucking brainer for me
I personally can't stand when lollipopping is thrown in with defoliating.
Whether you like one method or the other, Or neither, Lollipopping is removing lower plant matter that will not receive light or will only receive very weak amounts of light.
Defoliating is removing fan leaves, with hopes that light will reach that lower plant material.
For the record, i like fan leaves on my plants, but I will clean up the bottoms if the setup calls for it (only indoor).
I grow SOG, and trees indoor. I also grow huge trees outdoor. I would never lollipop an outdoor plant, and not all indoor plants are going to benefit from lollipopping. Sorry for anyone who can't handle the truth. I, for the life of me, cannot understand why someone would purposely pluck off fan leaves like they do "defoliating", But Hey, I'm sure I just pissed off someone by saying I lollipop. Fuck it
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Uncle Ben
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Therein lies the fallacy. As I showed on the previous page posting the outdoor grown plant, no amount of light applied to the lower levels is gonna bulk up those particular buds. Larf is as larf does. But kids will be kids rather than wanna-be botanists and will continue to perpetuate this cannabis forum myth.
It is what it is.
UB
Uncle Ben
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Wish you did too as I have shown the contrary quite a few times.
lilroach
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no. 12 plants which have been carefully pruned for shape, much like the people who grow our citrus and nuts do.
I'm sorry Uncle Buck, but your comparison between an annual (pot) and perennial (fruit trees) is flawed on several levels.
I worked on fruit farms and we trimmed trees for several reasons, much of which was just to be able to work around and underneath them. We never pruned to allow more light to get to the bud sites.
Uncle Ben
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Wow, what a waste of reflective light that could have increased what the plant sees by 30% and consequently increased yield and plant health.gosh, i wish i could have more larfy popcorn buds, but i defoliated a tad.
Some folks not only don't know what makes a plant tick, but don't have what it takes to construct a well designed efficient indoor garden.
Uncle Ben
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What else would you expect? Consider the source and move on........
UncleBuck
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yes they do. indoors, nto so much. but outdoors, they do indeed prove they are worth keeping.
UncleBuck
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funny, anyone who prunes fruit trees knows you prune for shape to open the center of the tree up, besides letting in more light to more sites, this increases air flow which makes for a healthier growing situation.
never made any sense to me to just let a plant go with uncontrolled growth, whether it be an annual in my grow room or a fruit tree in my (soon to be) orchard. about the only thing i let go uncontrolled is my cornfield and pumpkin patch, as it has been shown that removing suckers from corn does nothing to improve yield.
UncleBuck
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princess, i am so sorry that you do not like my makeshift, incomplete, spur of the moment indoor garden setup. if it makes you feel any better, i added another row of lights and plants to each side around the center as soon as i drove back to oregon and harvested the plants those lights were shining on.
the point of the photo, as a discerning, intelligent gentleman like yourself might gather, was not to show of my totally awesome indoor garden construction techniques, but rather to show how i prune plants for maximum indoor production.
if i wanted to show off my construction techniques for indoor growing spaces, i would have posted some pics of my fully insulated, climate controlled, 10x16 4400 watt grow room.
please feel free to grace us with any more of the sagacity that you see fit, cupcake. we never grow tired of your gems like "make sure the plant gets watered" and "do what it takes to make a plant tick". these are truly advanced techniques that someone will only figure out after decades of horticultural mastery.
fucking jackass troll.
AlphaPhase
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only 195 pages to go! 
slinkysaurus
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Defoliation DOES increase yields.
However...
Only if you have the time and can afford to veg out your plants considerably longer after hacking at them, you will be rewarded...most of the time!
People just don't like to wait and then wonder why it doesn't work, however different strains respond better at different stages of growth, i.e. 1st topping at 3rd node etc etc.
It's arguably cost effective unless you know your strain and have clones, but in my experience and current grow included, I'm rewarded with more branching and flower sites.
Plus it's awesome fun making it all look pretty and then being destructive with high stress training the tops-i-topped before-i-top-them-again at week 5 ....
if you like bush then it's one to try. Who really gives a shit.
That's just my experience
However...
Only if you have the time and can afford to veg out your plants considerably longer after hacking at them, you will be rewarded...most of the time!
People just don't like to wait and then wonder why it doesn't work, however different strains respond better at different stages of growth, i.e. 1st topping at 3rd node etc etc.
It's arguably cost effective unless you know your strain and have clones, but in my experience and current grow included, I'm rewarded with more branching and flower sites.
Plus it's awesome fun making it all look pretty and then being destructive with high stress training the tops-i-topped before-i-top-them-again at week 5 ....
if you like bush then it's one to try. Who really gives a shit.
That's just my experience
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Gquebed
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Being one who vegs for longer than most, i would attribute the increased yield to longer veg rather than to defoliating. I strip the girls right down in veg to make it easier to fill my scrog screens, but once 14 days or so have passed after flip i wont touch em unless i have too and even then i defoliate just a little so as not to stress them into a stall...Defoliation DOES increase yields.
However...
Only if you have the time and can afford to veg out your plants considerably longer after hacking at them, you will be rewarded...most of the time!
People just don't like to wait and then wonder why it doesn't work, however different strains respond better at different stages of growth, i.e. 1st topping at 3rd node etc etc.
It's arguably cost effective unless you know your strain and have clones, but in my experience and current grow included, I'm rewarded with more branching and flower sites.
Plus it's awesome fun making it all look pretty and then being destructive with high stress training the tops-i-topped before-i-top-them-again at week 5 ....
if you like bush then it's one to try. Who really gives a shit.
That's just my experience
lilroach
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I guess the numerous fruit farms I worked for didn't get that memo. I've crawled around, climbed in, and picked fruit in 110's of apple, peach, cherry, and pear trees and absolutely none of them were trimmed to open up the middle for more light......and increased air flow?!?!?!
I find it ironic that you let corn grow unmolested as it's probably a much closer kin to a pot plant than a fruit tree.
Uncle Buck.....I don't know how I got sucked into yet another thread on this subject....we both know that this has been beaten to death 100's of times.....I won't convince you and you won't convince me. "The definition of insanity............."
As I said before, I'm sure you're a good grower....we just do things differently. I do feel there's many better examples of where pruning works as you describe....but fruit trees are not one of them.
UncleBuck
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if i can't convince you, maybe the university of california can.
http://homeorchard.ucdavis.edu/8057.pdf
have you ever driven the I-5 though california? open center pruning reigns king there. seriously dude.
