Cloning Trouble

I believe I am having some trouble with clones. They are both Jillybean clones that are 4 days old. Their leaves are drooping, tips look "burnt" and I know it is suppose to take up to 3 weeks for a plant to grow roots but I have seen clones recover in under 48 hours and mine still are barely strong enough to hold up their leaves.

Here are some pics



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firsttimeARE

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https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/15030-batch-clones-rockwool.html

Read it. ABF goes over his cloning process and he has great success.

Why are they in hydroton already and in the buckets?

I haven't cloned yet, but from seeing how everyone does it here they shouldn't be there at this point. They should be in some air cloner, RW or like medium in a humidome over a heatpad.

Some people foliar feed water until they have roots to absorb their own. Some others ive read have success without doing this.
 

Bigz2277

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https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/15030-batch-clones-rockwool.html

Read it. ABF goes over his cloning process and he has great success.

Why are they in hydroton already and in the buckets?

I haven't cloned yet, but from seeing how everyone does it here they shouldn't be there at this point. They should be in some air cloner, RW or like medium in a humidome over a heatpad.

Some people foliar feed water until they have roots to absorb their own. Some others ive read have success without doing this.
i just assumed that they were rooted in RW before the buckets. he makes a valid point. clone straight in to buckets not a fan of hard for baby roots to grab the rocks
 
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/15030-batch-clones-rockwool.html

Read it. ABF goes over his cloning process and he has great success.

Why are they in hydroton already and in the buckets?

I haven't cloned yet, but from seeing how everyone does it here they shouldn't be there at this point. They should be in some air cloner, RW or like medium in a humidome over a heatpad.

Some people foliar feed water until they have roots to absorb their own. Some others ive read have success without doing this.

They are in hydration already because I am not a fan of rock wool, or any other medium like it. Some of the best simple set-ups i have seen for cloning put their clones with stems hanging above water and have bubbles that pop on the surface spray water on the stem of plant. Look up DWC cloning and you'll find some articles. What I am hoping for is that once the roots are formed i will not have to worry about transplanting and shock, instead they will just keep growing in the same medium.

Another misconception that A LOT of growers have is this, "people foliar feed water until they have roots to absorb their own." Let me state that marijuana plants do not take water through their leafs! Look in any entry level bio book and they will tell you what the leaves function is: to breath OUT excess moisture and preform as lungs for the plant. I know that keeping plants humid helps with evaporation (simple physics, more water in air = less water evaporates) Soak this in for a second and REALLY think about it because it is the most annoying misconception of growers.

If you don't believe me, DO NOT look at marijuana growing sites, look at scientific articles on how plants uptake water. While marijuana sites do have good information it is not good scientific information. There have been a lot of studies done in which scientists have tried to figure out how plants up-take water and it is still a mystery. but one thing they have concluded is that almost all plants can only take water in from their roots because as the leaves expel water, it creates a suction in the roots which pulls water up (kinda like a syphon). This is why Cactus don't have leaves and instead have spikes, so that there is less surface area for water to evaporate. If "people foliar feed water until they have roots to absorb their own" the wouldn't you think that a cactus would have developed huge leaves in order to take in more water when it rains? Logic people, logic......

But i will let you know how this cloning process goes, if it works i feel it is MUCH better for the plants since they have to go through less transplants/medium changes.
 
They are in hydration already because I am not a fan of rock wool, or any other medium like it. Some of the best simple set-ups i have seen for cloning put their clones with stems hanging above water and have bubbles that pop on the surface spray water on the stem of plant. Look up DWC cloning and you'll find some articles. What I am hoping for is that once the roots are formed i will not have to worry about transplanting and shock, instead they will just keep growing in the same medium.

Another misconception that A LOT of growers have is this, "people foliar feed water until they have roots to absorb their own." Let me state that marijuana plants do not take water through their leafs! Look in any entry level bio book and they will tell you what the leaves function is: to breath OUT excess moisture and preform as lungs for the plant. I know that keeping plants humid helps with evaporation (simple physics, more water in air = less water evaporates) Soak this in for a second and REALLY think about it because it is the most annoying misconception of growers.

If you don't believe me, DO NOT look at marijuana growing sites, look at scientific articles on how plants uptake water. While marijuana sites do have good information it is not good scientific information. There have been a lot of studies done in which scientists have tried to figure out how plants up-take water and it is still a mystery. but one thing they have concluded is that almost all plants can only take water in from their roots because as the leaves expel water, it creates a suction in the roots which pulls water up (kinda like a syphon). This is why Cactus don't have leaves and instead have spikes, so that there is less surface area for water to evaporate. If "people foliar feed water until they have roots to absorb their own" the wouldn't you think that a cactus would have developed huge leaves in order to take in more water when it rains? Logic people, logic......

But i will let you know how this cloning process goes, if it works i feel it is MUCH better for the plants since they have to go through less transplants/medium changes.
If you don't believe me then do a controlled experiment with a clipping: expose the bottom of the stem where the cut is to only air with humidity under 15%. Make a chamber that allows the plants to be in practically 100% humidity while the stem is in practically 0% humidity. See if the plants grows, or shows signs of under watering..... I guarantee you that the plant will look like it is under watered because the stem can't take in any water. You can debate me all you want, but until you do this experiment and the plant survives i will not Believe you.

P.S. If you do this experiment and the plant survives, or in fact thrives, hit up the NSA or your local college and get a hold of a botanist; you just made a f-ing incredible discovery, lol...
 
Cloning is so simple they need to be right in the water though over watering a cutting lol!
There is no such thing as overwatering just not enough oxygen in the water if you could overwater hydro would be a flop don't ya think!
I built a simple areo cloner and have not had one clone die since I use no hormone or anything just plain tape water!
If you want 100% check out areo cloners I made mine out a 5 gallon bucket!
 

Bigz2277

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Pretty stubborn to ask for advice then flame the people that do it. as always if you and your girls are happy then dont listen to us. but by the looks of those plants....
/win
peace, wont post my input again, and i wish you luck with all of your future grows.
am i the only one who finds if funny that

 
"I am open to all advice and criticisms. Just know that I WILL ALWAYS stick to DWC growing/cloning. It is the method i prefer best so when giving advice, please don't just tell me to switch to aeroponics or something. It's like telling a english major to switch to Egineering because engineers are more popular and successful right now..."

Specifically stated the above in my journal. I know i did not state that in this post, but if your intending to give me good advice I feel you would wisely look at my journal before giving advice. In reading my journal, you should have seen this quote, and given advice accordingly. I'm just basing my opinions off of what I would do as a intelligent grower.
 

babysas

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you come off like a jerk....
i would think a intelligent grower would be open minded...and would be open to trying new things

also if your going to bitch about others grammar yours needs to be 100%
They are in hydration already

the people who post in your threads aren't paid to do so...please show some respect...eh?


i just read some more of your posts....and i see you trollin
 

mufastaa

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a couple things.

I USE THIS METHOD. it definately works (no hormone needed), but it takes about 2 weeks for roots to show out the bottom of the net pot.

Also overwatering is kind of impossible with dwc, the roots should constantly be in the water, and only getting air through the pump. it looks like your water is too low, it should be soaking the bottom of the stem.

i think sprouting them in rockwool is still less stressful for the plants, but I dont like dealing with rockwool. so far this works 100% for me though.

also dont expect ppl to be reading your journal because they are answering your post.

and yes bigz i find it very funny.
 

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