Cloning a hermie...

BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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Question....

Female plant, shows a single to a couple of male flowers on a single bottom branch.

So, I take clones from the non-male showing branches...

Common sense tells me that the hermie genetic is still there, my question is, will the clone still pop out a male flower from the female branch I took. (Common sense tells me this is a possibility as well), just wondering if it will "force" a male flower out, or will it more than likely continue on it's merry female way.
 
Figong

Figong

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Clone of a hermie = hermie... if herm, seeds from it would potentially add herm-like trait in anything else grown.. and if said trait existed in another that you were crossing(assuming you were).. potential would be pretty decent that you'd spawn at least a partial field of hermies... not so good unless you're intentionally creating hermies for some reason I couldn't begin to guess at. Just my 2 cents.
 
BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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Bah, you missed completely what I asked...... I KNOW that the hermi gene will be passed, I am not BREEDING, I AM CLONING.....

My question is very precise, so I am not going to retype it. So please re-read it and take another shot at answering if you'd like. :-P
 
Figong

Figong

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Since the plant as a whole has hermie-like characteristics, it could very possibly present male characteristics from what you see as a female branch clone, which I felt I covered with 'clone of a hermie = hermie', sorry if there was any misinterpretation w/my word choices :) The probability of it being 'forced' depends on genetics, and the living conditions of the plant in question, to answer your specific question. :mrgreen:
 
ru4r34l

ru4r34l

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Figong said:
Clone of a hermie = hermie... if herm, seeds from it would potentially add herm-like trait in anything else grown.. and if said trait existed in another that you were crossing(assuming you were).. potential would be pretty decent that you'd spawn at least a partial field of hermies... not so good unless you're intentionally creating hermies for some reason I couldn't begin to guess at. Just my 2 cents.
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there is no hremie trait/genetics.. (I hear Trousers coming :D)

You can clone from anywhere and possibly get a new plant that may or may not grow male flowers.

regards,
 
209 Cali closet grower

209 Cali closet grower

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I know some people on here say no(from what I read), most of the time??But when I think about it? A clone is a copy of the same d.n.a plant? I would think yes it will hem. But some are not bad. If it only has a few nanners, then it might be worth keeping if you breed. If not, chuck it.
 
Trousers

Trousers

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BenFranklin said:
Question....

Female plant, shows a single to a couple of male flowers on a single bottom branch.
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That is not a real hermaphrodite. It is a female that has been stressed and as a result is showing male flowers. A real hermaphrodite would show female and male flowers together.

BenFranklin said:
So, I take clones from the non-male showing branches...

Common sense tells me that the hermie genetic is still there,
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Common sense failed you. There is something in the DNA that allows females to show male flowers, but that does not make a female a hermaphrodite.
Stress does not change DNA. If you stress the clone the same way the mother ws stressed, it will produce male flowers.

BenFranklin said:
my question is, will the clone still pop out a male flower from the female branch I took. (Common sense tells me this is a possibility as well), just wondering if it will "force" a male flower out, or will it more than likely continue on it's merry female way.
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If you continue to stress your plants in the same way, you will get male flowers. It is not the plant's fault you stressed it.
 
Trousers

Trousers

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Cannabis normally has imperfect flowers, with staminate "male" and pistillate "female" flowers occurring on separate plants.[SUP][11][/SUP] It is not unusual, however, for individual plants to bear both male and female flowers.[SUP][12][/SUP] Although monoecious plants are often referred to as "hermaphrodites," true hermaphrodites (which are less common) bear staminate and pistillate structures on individual flowers, whereas monoecious plants bear male and female flowers at different locations on the same plant. Male flowers are normally borne on loose panicles, and female flowers are borne on racemes.[SUP][13]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis
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Guitar Man

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Trousers said:
That is not a real hermaphrodite. It is a female that has been stressed and as a result is showing male flowers. A real hermaphrodite would show female and male flowers together.

Common sense failed you. There is something in the DNA that allows females to show male flowers, but that does not make a female a hermaphrodite.

Stress does not change DNA. If you stress the clone the same way the mother ws stressed, it will produce male flowers.

If you continue to stress your plants in the same way, you will get male flowers. It is not the plant's fault you stressed it.
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Please explain the bolded (in detail).
 
Trousers

Trousers

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Cannabis normally has imperfect flowers, with staminate "male" and pistillate "female" flowers occurring on separate plants.[SUP][11][/SUP] It is not unusual, however, for individual plants to bear both male and female flowers.[SUP][12][/SUP] Although monoecious plants are often referred to as "hermaphrodites," true hermaphrodites (which are less common) bear staminate and pistillate structures on individual flowers, whereas monoecious plants bear male and female flowers at different locations on the same plant. Male flowers are normally borne on loose panicles, and female flowers are borne on racemes.[SUP][13][/SUP]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis
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Guitar Man

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Trousers said:
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So, if a plant/flower has nanners, does that reveal a true Hermaphrodite? Also, I believe what you're saying here is, just because a plant produces balls/nanners, that doesn't mean it's a true Hermaphrodite.

Right now I'm growing my 7th Hermaphrodite (I've brought 6 to full maturity). The first 4 I grew together, and 2 of them threw out balls/nanners, so I did aquire a few seeds from that grow. 1 year later, I took those same seeds (keeping track of exactly which plant they came from) and I planted 2 more of those strains. I also had a 3rd plant in the same grow that was not a Hermaphrodite, so I could gauge any reaction to stess in my grow room.

Those 2 plants did Herm on me, but they were different; 1 was primarily (only) nanners (in flower). 1 was primarily (only) balls (on nodes). Would this indicate that 1 might be a true Hermaphrodite and 1 isn't?

The 3rd plant only produced 1 or 2 balls, which is normal for a non-Herm strain. I did hack the shit out of this plant, so stress was probably the reason my 3rd plant revealed any pollen/balls.
 
BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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Ok, so if I stress a plant and it pops male flowers, the seeds would then be feminized, but, not hermies?

If the plant only carried the female genetic, but popped a male flower it would pollinate itself and pass on the female trait? Am I getting this right?

i wondered how they did this.....
 
homebrew420

homebrew420

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Honestly why bother? Was the herb that good? People say the chem lines are real bad for intersex expression. I have seen this, then try growing the same plant in near stress free environment and I don't see this expression so much. Many seem stress related.
A full on true hermaphrodite is a waste of time, imo. I understand if that all one has to work with, otherwise find another plant.
in short of course if the plant expresses intersex traits, the clone will more than likely do the same. As to the stress question, yes this is very often true. However if the plant is showing theses trait it too may be linked to genetic predisposition of said expression. Too many variables without a true understanding of genomic info will keep us all guessing about this for a while.

Peace
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

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Please do not use wikipedia in backing a response as by doing so makes your responses worthless as wikipedia is not scientific it is made by anyone who wishes to post to their site. I can post Obma is asian and it will show as fact there.
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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the answer is there will always be that possibility of it producing male flower, the answer you looking for is no it will not cause it to go full on male if you where to flower it it would continue on it female way so to speak.
 
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