clones sagging!!!

i just cut clones and they seemed to be great the first 24 hours and now they are stating to wilt. is this to be expected? how far should i let this go befour i pull them and start over? What should they look like for the first few dayz? perky? saggy? leaning? yellowing? Let me know!
Keep the Buds Flowing!!

Details:
- light warrior seed starter soil
- 2 long ass floros
- heat mat/ i used a inside/outside thermo and stuck the probe in the soil and it seems to be going from 72 to 76 degrees.
- 18/6 cycle
- cabinet temp 66.6 to 69.5 (night/day)
- using advanced nutes cloning gel

i think thats every thing.

when you cloned them, did you use root hormone ?

yeah,, the advanced nutes cloning gel

some plants wilt more than others. Are they still good in color? I have some clones that will fall for two days and some never do. They all seem to root just as well. Keep a foliar spray going and you should be fine.. Good luck...

rite on. yeah the color looks great! what do you have in your folier spray?

im using distilled water

ryan miller said:

rite on. yeah the color looks great! what do you have in your folier spray?

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Water and Jump Start from Advanced Nutrients.

I had about the same problem ... they sagged for almost two weeks, yet they still kept great color. If the tips start to furl, brown, or things start shriveling you then know when to panic. Since I do a fairly small grow, I have no problem cloning twice as much as I expect to grow (I also just might suck and expect a bit of failure). If any extras succed then grow em', sell em', plant em' on campus ... lol ... do something! I folier spray with distilled water and a splash of superthrive about 6 times a day (jiffy pellets in soil) and they seem to be eating that up. I was also warned about having TOO MUCH light, if anyone would like to alleviate more on than I would at least be greatful.

Sounds like the ambient tempurature is too low, 85 F is what I recollect.
Also soil temp.
You didnt mention if you were using a humidity dome.

I always had this problem, don't know if it s because it s getting warmer out or the fact that I give them six hours of darkness right after they are cut.(Al B's tactic).
Most likely both.

I would increase light to 24hrs, bring temp up and read a bunch of clones in rockwool.
Keep in mind the author has his system dialed in.

did you use a humidity dome?

no, no dome. i have a cabinet wrapped in seran wrap. inside the cabinet i keep a humidifier with my thermo and humidistat. the humididifire stays on 24/7 with the heat mat and the lights are 18/6 dual floros.
I started using that a foliar spary with a little thrive alive b-1 and they seem to be loving it, not quite standing up yet but better than b4. its only been 2 days since i cut them. oh yeah i have em in foxfarm lightwarrior

ive read that a lower ambiant temp(lower then the root temp) and a higher root temp(higher then the air temp) is preferable.
anyone able to validify this books statements please step forward.
these books all same different shit, unless you read all from the same author, its kinda bunk, those books.

just put a 2 liter bottle over it and spray with water a few times a day and they will be fine. forget the saran wrap and humidifier. Your making it too complicated. Remember KISS Keep It Simple Stupid

I Like That Advice Bro, I Bet Your Right, Couse I Am Definatly Making This To Difficult!
Thanks Fellas

You Keeping The Cap On The 2 Liter?

Fresh cuttings are more worried about keeping enough moisture while developing roots then standing strait and collecting light. If they are sagging and green and look good then you have no problems this is totally normal, there is a big difference between sagging and wilting, many of my new cuttings here sag but they still are fresh bright and green.

Also I agree with KISS, humidifiers and saran wrap sounds like a hassle, just a simple tray with a dome is the best thing to use.

Also it sounds like you may have put the cuttings directly into soil? Personally I prefer a neutral medium, like rockwool cubes (10c each) they are easier to manage, and they hold A LOT more moisture which is key when rooting cuttings.

The first couple days the most important thing is just keeping them from drying out, if they are fine after a couple days then the rooting should be focused on, remember the roots grow in SEARCH of water, as long as they are totaly saturated they wont root very much, so keep them moist at first then work your way down to a cycle of less watering. Always make sure they are moist and not drying out though that is always most important.

The key is to match the uptake of water with the rate at the leaves release moisture (transpiration)

Also with large cuttings its sometimes a good idea to cut off up to 1/3 of the leafs to help balance transpiration.


Anyways enough rambling for me, hope this helps, happy growing.

Leave the cap on the bottle - that's the way I do it. Cut the bottom off and pop it over the top of the cutting, couldn't be simpler.

I like to pull the dome off every day or two to let the air inside get exchanged with fresh air.

Also, if you have any trouble with cloning, I highly recommend AN's Clone-It. Some people get along great without any rooting hormone, but I find that it does boost my success rate and more success is more better.

Peg said:

. Since I do a fairly small grow, I have no problem cloning twice as much as I expect to grow (I also just might suck and expect a bit of failure). If any extras succed then grow em', sell em', plant em' on campus ... lol ... do something! I folier spray with distilled water and a splash of superthrive about 6 times a day

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haha nice one peg! guerilla grown for others to find!

me and a few mates actually go into the bush sometimes and spread BULK poppy seeds , as many random bagseeds and any other entheogenic goodies we have- its cool to go back a year later to see heaps of poppy heads or a random ganja plant


for cloning, i cant stress how little wateryou need. i have killed several clones by drowning them, and also a few by drying them out.humidity is the key.