Chopping Tomorrow - How to Fresh Freeze?

AlGore

AlGore

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Hey guys. I know I don't want to smoke my popcorn and sugar on my first harvest here.

Looking for instructions on how to fresh freeze it for use in either bubble or qwiso. I think I'm leaning qwiso simply cuz I don't wanna spend the cash or effort on a top notch bubble extraction right now.

My main questions are...

Do I freeze before or after the initial drying?
Do I need to worry about moisture in the fresh frozen stuff?
Can I freeze it in mason jars? Or should I use ziplocks?
Any other advice?

THANKS!!
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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I don't know much about sieved hash...
But for qwiso you can do fresh frozen or dry frozen. Dry is more likely to be free of chlorophyll and plant juices etc.. but with a complete dry also comes terpene loss. water has a similar boiling point as the lighter terpenes(when I say terpene I mean all flavorful compounds including esters and everything else). Whether fresh or dry it should be frozen along with the solvent. Now obviously the solvent won't freeze I just mean let stabilize in your freezer. At least 24hrs.. you want it frozen to slow the dissolution into the solvent, iso is quite aggressive and you should limit contact with plant matter as much as possible(30 seconds including the filtration is pretty good), it will dissolve roughly 80% of the cannabinoids on contact. The freeze will also trap any remaining moisture and limit plant acids from being leached, this is also why cutting or grinding the herb after its frozen is very important and also freezing the scissors you used. If it gets above freezing you can risk releasing the internal plant juices or freeze over trichomes preventing their extraction....freeze the mason jar as well to prevent condensation from freezing. This will tend to happen as you fill the mason jar with your frozen ground herb

I hope I'm not scaring you away from using fresh frozen..its really pretty easy but like all aspects of qwiso, can turn gnarly quickly..I tell people a lot that qwiso is very much an art. It can yield black goop or a white powder..none of the processes are to difficult but each step is extremely important..

Any more questions or just an explanation, don't hesitate to ask
It is still the holidays at my house though so don't expect immediate responses
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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qwizoking said:
I don't know much about sieved hash...
But for qwiso you can do fresh frozen or dry frozen. Dry is more likely to be free of chlorophyll and plant juices etc.. but with a complete dry also comes terpene loss. water has a similar boiling point as the lighter terpenes(when I say terpene I mean all flavorful compounds including esters and everything else). Whether fresh or dry it should be frozen along with the solvent. Now obviously the solvent won't freeze I just mean let stabilize in your freezer. At least 24hrs.. you want it frozen to slow the dissolution into the solvent, iso is quite aggressive and you should limit contact with plant matter as much as possible(30 seconds including the filtration is pretty good), it will dissolve roughly 80% of the cannabinoids on contact. The freeze will also trap any remaining moisture and limit plant acids from being leached, this is also why cutting or grinding the herb after its frozen is very important and also freezing the scissors you used. If it gets above freezing you can risk releasing the internal plant juices or freeze over trichomes preventing their extraction....freeze the mason jar as well to prevent condensation from freezing. This will tend to happen as you fill the mason jar with your frozen ground herb

I hope I'm not scaring you away from using fresh frozen..its really pretty easy but like all aspects of qwiso, can turn gnarly quickly..I tell people a lot that qwiso is very much an art. It can yield black goop or a white powder..none of the processes are to difficult but each step is extremely important..

Any more questions or just an explanation, don't hesitate to ask
It is still the holidays at my house though so don't expect immediate responses
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Was going to recommend OP use a simple dry ice extraction, but even that has to be dialed-in on a bit...then pressed into blonde hash.
 
AlGore

AlGore

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I really want to get good at bubble/icewax but as I've said leaning toward qwiso this time. I've helped make bubble from trim in the past but never iso, only from cured bud. So I wanna try it out.

So what I'm getting is...?


  • Iso is already "frozen".
  • Freeze my mason jars. Freeze my girder.
  • Chop the plants.
  • Maybe let the popcorn dry out a lil bit.( a day or two?) drying at 70f 50% RH fyi.
  • Put it in the mason jars with minimal trimming. And put them back in the freezer.
  • Wait no more than a week. Grind the shit up with the frozen grinder. And run qwiso.
 
Macto

Macto

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So using dry ice method, you don't need to dry? Just preference? And the minimum freezing time for popcorn and trim should be a day? I want the best dry ice extraction method. Trying to get the most dank >_< Got a good bit of popcorn.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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Slight fuck up on my first test run of fresh frozen Qwiso, soaked a bit too long and did not freeze scissors , or so I've learned from this old thread.

I'm thinking the chlorophyl after taste could cure out? Or is it locked in? Next batch I'll be smarter :bigjoint:
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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Second batch is much much better! First batch seems to be improving with age, not quite as harsh. Just leaving it out in the air. Thanks to all concerned with the quality of my test run. LOL :joint::joint::joint::bigjoint:
 
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