Chemist77 315 watt CDL grow

They look great for 315 watts, crossing my

GOLDBERG71 said:

I'm not picking on you. But I look at this and you know what screams out to me? All that space under the table is wasted. I've been playing with hazes I couldn't fit the table and my strain in my area. That's why if I were to leave my pro mix medium I think I'd go to ebb n flo buckets. Because you're area looks a lot like mine. I've got 7 foot from floor to ceiling. Boy I wish I had a greenhouse.

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yes, 7 ft floor to ceiling.. i tryed several different grow methods in here, the 5 gallon dwc buckets, a dwc table on floor, aero, nft, even undercurrent using totes..on those i had more room from floor to ceiling but i just found the f&d method to be my favorite, easyer to change rez,no more kneeling on the concrete, and even with the space under table i can still get 4ft plants and i try not to let plants get above that height, if they do ill bend them.. any plants over 4ft end up with popcorn on bottom so i like keeping them short and pack m in sog style.. i do want to try a scrog in time, but we will see..
i have a hose and shut off valve attached to the bottom of the rez so draining and cleaning the table is a sinch.. just open valve let it drain, spray n wipe down table,let it drain, close valve,and refill.. i have a water line (hose) and 2 drains in the room so i dont have to carry buckets of water around.. ,just turn on the hose, i can even adjust the temp of the water to hot or cold..
i grew some monsters in the 5 gallon dwc buckets, but they wer a pain in the a$$ to drain and refill..

TheChemist77 said:

yes, 7 ft floor to ceiling.. i tryed several different grow methods in here, the 5 gallon dwc buckets, a dwc table on floor, aero, nft, even undercurrent using totes..on those i had more room from floor to ceiling but i just found the f&d method to be my favorite, easyer to change rez,no more kneeling on the concrete, and even with the space under table i can still get 4ft plants and i try not to let plants get above that height, if they do ill bend them.. any plants over 4ft end up with popcorn on bottom so i like keeping them short and pack m in sog style.. i do want to try a scrog in time, but we will see..
i have a hose and shut off valve attached to the bottom of the rez so draining and cleaning the table is a sinch.. just open valve let it drain, spray n wipe down table,let it drain, close valve,and refill.. i have a water line (hose) and 2 drains in the room so i dont have to carry buckets of water around.. ,just turn on the hose, i can even adjust the temp of the water to hot or cold..
i grew some monsters in the 5 gallon dwc buckets, but they wer a pain in the a$$ to drain and refill..

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I understand. I personally try not to bend the plants during flower. I'd rather not have plant focusing its energy on adjusting those solar panels (fan leaves). It takes time for the plants to adjust to that. Don't get me wrong I've done it. But suddenly bending the stem 90 degrees also sends the focus of the plant on to the branches that weren't bent. Meanwhile the one you're bending most likely has the main cola on it. That's not ideal. So I'll cut much off the lower pop corn off and save it to make hash. I add it to my clippings. Speaking of which I probably have enough to get a whole elbow now.

I run big tub RDWC and I don't kneel on the floor for shit;

GOLDBERG71 said:

I understand. I personally try not to bend the plants during flower. I'd rather not have plant focusing its energy on adjusting those solar panels (fan leaves). It takes time for the plants to adjust to that. Don't get me wrong I've done it. But suddenly bending the stem 90 degrees also sends the focus of the plant on to the branches that weren't bent. Meanwhile the one you're bending most likely has the main cola on it. That's not ideal. So I'll cut much off the lower pop corn off and save it to make hash. I add it to my clippings. Speaking of which I probably have enough to get a whole elbow now.

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i love sativa's like haze,, problem most of my patients prefer indica's.. dont bother me because i like quick finishers,,i dont have the patience for those 10-13 week strains.. not to mention as you say they get tall n i dont have the height for them either..i liked durban poison as a pure sativa tho, 7 week finish pure up high, and not branchy either..not a big producer, but i was really happy with it..very lemony scent n taste,, day time smoke only.. i have a bunch of pure sativa land race strains, and have no idea wen or if ill pop em..i have many,many, strains, i think about popping some ak47 or blue dreams in the near future sativa dominants but im also considering ak48, a pure afghan, or 1 of the big bud strains,, idk,,,maybe just pick the best one i have now and get rid of the rest..im tired of having 13 different moms alive..im literally cloning and veging 10 strains that im not even using in flower just dont want to lose the strains yet..i need to just hack em and keep my best 2 or 3 or better yet just keep the best 1..

TheChemist77 said:

i love sativa's like haze,, problem most of my patients prefer indica's.. dont bother me because i like quick finishers,,i dont have the patience for those 10-13 week strains.. not to mention as you say they get tall n i dont have the height for them either..i liked durban poison as a pure sativa tho, 7 week finish pure up high, and not branchy either..not a big producer, but i was really happy with it..very lemony scent n taste,, day time smoke only.. i have a bunch of pure sativa land race strains, and have no idea wen or if ill pop em..i have many,many, strains, i think about popping some ak47 or blue dreams in the near future sativa dominants but im also considering ak48, a pure afghan, or 1 of the big bud strains,, idk,,,maybe just pick the best one i have now and get rid of the rest..im tired of having 13 different moms alive..im literally cloning and veging 10 strains that im not even using in flower just dont want to lose the strains yet..i need to just hack em and keep my best 2 or 3 or better yet just keep the best 1..

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Been there done that. I had over 15 before I got spider mites. Since I couldn't seem to toss some strains. I used it as a good reason to dump most of them.

Word to the wise on AK 47. It's good smoke and fast. The problem is there's auto flower mixed in there and you have to research to find that out. It was 1 of the 4 strains I ordered first. I bought 30 seeds 3 packs. And popped 6 at a time. It took a couple of years but relatively quickly I used all the beans. Because if you keep a mom and I don't. I keep cuttings then put a clone in a 1/2 gallon pot. As soon as I can grab 4 cuttings from it I take them and cull the plant. Any way if you keep a mom when the roots reach the bottom of the pot it will start to flower. All my cutting by the 3rd set of clones they would begin to flower in the flats under 24 hour light while it was rooting. I'll never buy that strain again. I have no problem paying for genetics. But not ones that I have to keep buying. I've got about a 99.5% success rate at cloning. So if I can't clone it and keep it. They can keep the genes. I have heard from a guy on here I trust that it doesn't happen in hydro.

GOLDBERG71 said:

Been there done that. I had over 15 before I got spider mites. Since I couldn't seem to toss some strains. I used it as a good reason to dump most of them.

Word to the wise on AK 47. It's good smoke and fast. The problem is there's auto flower mixed in there and you have to research to find that out. It was 1 of the 4 strains I ordered first. I bought 30 seeds 3 packs. And popped 6 at a time. It took a couple of years but relatively quickly I used all the beans. Because if you keep a mom and I don't. I keep cuttings then put a clone in a 1/2 gallon pot. As soon as I can grab 4 cuttings from it I take them and cull the plant. Any way if you keep a mom when the roots reach the bottom of the pot it will start to flower. All my cutting by the 3rd set of clones they would begin to flower in the flats under 24 hour light while it was rooting. I'll never buy that strain again. I have no problem paying for genetics. But not ones that I have to keep buying. I've got about a 99.5% success rate at cloning. So if I can't clone it and keep it. They can keep the genes. I have heard from a guy on here I trust that it doesn't happen in hydro.

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i do the same thing, i never keep a single mother for more than 3-4 months..i plant a seed, wait for it to be mature, clone and keep the best clone as a new mother.. as soon as its big enough to get the clones needed, i clone and keep the best clone again.. i was growing my favorite plant ever, nirvanas misty,,for 5 years the last mother was probably a 75th generation clone and still just as potent and even more vigorus than the original seed mom.. they say clones degrade with each generation, but i truly believe each generation is more adapted to your grow style and they improve not degrade.. case in point, i had planted 2 northern lights#5 seeds that took 3 months in veg just to get a few clones off each, the clones grew twice as fast as the original seed moms..by the 4th or 5th selected clone mom i could get many clones after just 3 weeks of veg.. i had originally thought i was going to toss the strain because the seed moms wer so slow,, now i still have it, probably a 10th or so gen clone way better than the seed moms..

but good to know about the AK47, I had not heard that before...i have 10 serious seeds of it, ill plant them all and if it auto's ill toss it.. i can NOT stand auto's, they are great for outdoors but i feel they are worthless for indoor growers as u cant clone them.. i would say my favorite seeds are stabilized hybrids or true breed's, and land race's you can cross and make your own f1's without all the work involved with back crossing like you have to do with f1's to get uniformity from seed.. i like knowing each seed will be basicly the same plant not 10 seeds 10 diferent phenio's.. but i think im getting tired of breeding too, from now on i think ill just make S1'S of my favorite strains..

VERY nice!

Might I respectfully suggest that you stick to growing, because your shutterbug skills be lacking, bro!

Just kidding! If I squint really hard, I can see how awesome they are...

ttystikk said:

Might I respectfully suggest that you stick to growing, because your shutterbug skills be lacking, bro!

Just kidding! If I squint really hard, I can see how awesome they are...

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lol,, i know i hate digital cameras,,computers, all new tech really.. i take good pix with my old marloboro camera tho,lol..my wife puts all pix up for me, im lucky i can check emails on this F ing thing... computers werent around wen i was in school, my wife is 14 years younger than me so she knows how to work on this thing.. i worry,,, my son works on an ipad at school,,he is 6 and knows computers better than me already...

ok,, over the next 3 runs of testing im making a few minor changes..
plants will be in 4x4 blocks placed in net pots(this run they keep falling over)maybe some grow rocks over blocks in pots
im putting a cover over the table(so roots will be able to form a large mat)
going from 36 plants to 30 plants,5 rows of 5,
increasing veg time of all cuttings to 2 weeks..

all changes being made when this run is harvested...
next run 2 315 watt cdl's plus 1 400 watt hps between the cdls..total 1030 watts
2nd run 1,000 watt HPS
3rd 3 315 watt cdl's 945 watt total

till now all my veg has been under 400 watt mh, i may switch to 315 watt cdl for my veg area,, 18/6 light sced..

any recommendations or input appreciated,,,i want real results,,nothing can be different exept lighting...

SUBBED. This is what I have been looking for.
Cant wait to see final yield and quality, but looking really great.

PLEASE MAKE A VOTE.. which light should i run first? 3 cdl, 2 cdl +400 hps or 1k hps??? plants will be ready to harvest soon, ill post more pix..
i built a cover for table, clones are rooting, at harvest ill trim , dry, and weigh then post total weight.. must say the bubble gum and island sweet skunk smell like bubblelicious!! all r covered in crystals..

TheChemist77 said:

PLEASE MAKE A VOTE.. which light should i run first? 3 cdl, 2 cdl +400 hps or 1k hps??? plants will be ready to harvest soon, ill post more pix..
i built a cover for table, clones are rooting, at harvest ill trim , dry, and weigh then post total weight.. must say the bubble gum and island sweet skunk smell like bubblelicious!! all r covered in crystals..

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Define the type/wattage of 'cdl' you're talking about, or some of us will get the idea you're going to get licensed to drive semis...

ttystikk said:

Define the type/wattage of 'cdl' you're talking about, or some of us will get the idea you're going to get licensed to drive semis...

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3 CDL Lights at 315 watts unless your going with the big 860watters.
I am interested to see how the grow produces for yield and quality

i have the 315 watt ceramic discharge lamps from boulderlamp.com,, ill call them cmh from now on as it seems to be what most call them.. bulbs are phillips 3000k, specs on page 1.. also from what ive heard the 315 watt cmh lamps are more powerfull watt per watt than the 860's,, maybe more eficient is a better choice of words,, but im not sure its true..after reading a article in high times i had to try these lights as they wer given better par values than gavita de lamps watt per watt ,run cooler, and suposedly the nearest spectrum to the sun on any indoor light...so here is my atempt at a comparison...

TheChemist77 said:

i have the 315 watt ceramic discharge lamps from boulderlamp.com,, ill call them cmh from now on as it seems to be what most call them.. bulbs are phillips 3000k, specs on page 1.. also from what ive heard the 315 watt cmh lamps are more powerfull watt per watt than the 860's,, maybe more eficient is a better choice of words,, but im not sure its true..after reading a article in high times i had to try these lights as they wer given better par values than gavita de lamps watt per watt ,run cooler, and suposedly the nearest spectrum to the sun on any indoor light...so here is my atempt at a comparison...

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The low frequency square wave ballast does indeed drive the 315W LEC lights more efficiently than other HID types.