Chemist77 315 watt CDL grow

TheChemist77 said:

i seen the sun system after i already bought these,,the guys at growgreenmich, told me they are based on the same tech but different bulbs,but idk? both are phillips bulbs so i think they are the same just different kelvins,,not sure though..anyways the guys at boulder wer really good and answered all my questions, and said these 315 will beat a 600 watt hps hands down,, we will see...

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The sun systems run the same lamp philips 315 agro elite but there's actually two flavors of that lamp, one more suited for veg and full cycle at 4250K I think.
I looked at the post and just assumed you were the manufacture which appears to be right down the road from me.
The ballast may be different but doubtful, probably indentical. Not sure if the SS uses a Welthink ballast or another brand. Last I knew welthink and another company I can't recall were the only two sources I could find for ballast.

dbkick said:

The sun systems run the same lamp philips 315 agro elite but there's actually two flavors of that lamp, one more suited for veg and full cycle at 4250K I think.
I looked at the post and just assumed you were the manufacture which appears to be right down the road from me.
The ballast may be different but doubtful, probably indentical. Not sure if the SS uses a Welthink ballast or another brand. Last I knew welthink and another company I can't recall were the only two sources I could find for ballast.

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the sun systems ballast isnt ontop of the reflector either is it?? that would have givven me almost 10 inches of height in my room..im sure i could take it off and rewire it but ill just leave it as is till i see the outcome.. not part of the company , just a caregiver in upper MI.

TheChemist77 said:

the sun systems ballast isnt ontop of the reflector either is it?? that would have givven me almost 10 inches of height in my room..im sure i could take it off and rewire it but ill just leave it as is till i see the outcome.. not part of the company , just a caregiver in upper MI.

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It's behind the reflector.

or in front of, depending on how you look at it :/

dbkick said:

or in front of, depending on how you look at it :/

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my bulb has a 2 pin hook up, kind of like one end of a flourecent tube, 2 round pegs 1 larger than the other.. does the sun system bulbs attach the same or are they screw on mogul type bulbs?

TheChemist77 said:

my bulb has a 2 pin hook up, kind of like one end of a flourecent tube, 2 round pegs 1 larger than the other.. does the sun system bulbs attach the same or are they screw on mogul type bulbs?

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Sun systems uses the same philips agro elite lamp yes.
The lamp has actually been around for awhile and used to be the screw in type.

dbkick said:

Sun systems uses the same philips agro elite lamp yes.
The lamp has actually been around for awhile and used to be the screw in type.

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You can still get the screw in type, aka mogul socket and it works fine.

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ttystikk said:

Read your spec sheet more carefully. The ballasts for these 315W CMH lamps are very special little critters; they're low frequency, meaning less than 100Hz and their output is a square wave instead of the more usual sine curve. The first feature keeps the lamp alive because high frequencies will rattle then apart, and the square wave output is the real reason these lamps are so much more powerful than their wattage might suggest.

Try your splitter plan with a standard 600W digital ballast and you'll trash two bulbs in less than a week- and they won't run worth a shit before they blow, either.[/QUOTE

So whats the deal with the conversion kits for the 400s? Im just curious.

Also, do the cheap bulbs preform as well as phillips?

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I'm interested in the results. Please post some pics of the final product. This is the second time I've seen this type of lighting but the first time Im really looking at it. Also if you could compare penetration between these and the standard HM/HPS it would be good info to have. I DONT TRUST ADS. I have so many ballasts 6-600 and 2-1000. I don't use them all now. So I'm not sure I can rationalize switching without a huge savings on power. But if the results are equal or better when the time comes to replace what I have Id like to know.

jayjay777 said:

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I think the idea is for these to replace the 400W series, because it's more lumens for less watts and liner life. IE, no downside, so why support the old standard?

I'd get the name brand bulbs, Philips has a reputation to keep.

You can get the fixtire and ballast cheap from china, there $82 piece on alibaba.com, (in bulk) they look like gavitas.

I wanna see final weight, for me, its not about less power but more lights.

GOLDBERG71 said:

I'm interested in the results. Please post some pics of the final product. This is the second time I've seen this type of lighting but the first time Im really looking at it. Also if you could compare penetration between these and the standard HM/HPS it would be good info to have. I DONT TRUST ADS. I have so many ballasts 6-600 and 2-1000. I don't use them all now. So I'm not sure I can rationalize switching without a huge savings on power. But if the results are equal or better when the time comes to replace what I have Id like to know.

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i understand, i have 4 600's,1,1k and 4 400 watt ballasts ans 5 nice 6 inch air cooled hoods that are not being used now. i had to give these cdl's a try after reading about them in high times,,not to mention cutting my electric bill in half and saving time n money on bulb changes i just had to see what they could do..

i had run 3 400's over the table some years ago before i switched to 2 600's,,i have the total dryed weights in a book somewere,,so at harvest i can compare to weghts with 2 600's or 3 400's, but i know i yielded better w/ the 2 600's or i wouldnt have swiched..either way my electric is half what it was, i did 2 runs under a 1k too, but the 2 600's yielded better than the 1k all over the 4x6 table...

penetration,,,? dont have a light meter, i keep my plants under 4 ft tall no matter the lamp used..so im guessing the penetration of the cdl is comparable to the 2 600's, plants definatly dont stretch as much under the cdl's as hps, last run clones had the same veg time and wer all 3-4 ft tall at harvest.. this run the tallest will be 3ft wile the bubblegum n dynamite will top out around 2n half ft tall im guessing...ill put up pix in the next few days with a tape measure next to the tallest island sweet skunk and the shortest dynamite just for good measure...

I read a few other threads, seems like you get 12-14 oz per light. Or 1 gpw fairly easy with some experience. I know you can do better than most, but i dont think your gonna get 600 grams per light. Then again who knows. So many factors, I cant wait to see tho! Best of luck

ttystikk said:

You can still get the screw in type, aka mogul socket and it works fine.

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Sun systems can kiss my ass. I had a brand new ballast start smoking last week after i plugged it in. I guess i can return directly, i have to go through store, but i bought online, cannot reach them so looks like im gonna have to grab my ankles... Thanks sunlight systems!

seems i was off on plant heights,,,way off.. the island sweet skunks are at 2ft tall 3 weeks in, the shortest dynamite is 14inches, i took pix my wife will put them up tomorrow,, i put the tape measure up next to tallest and shortest.. im not so good with digital cameras, id take my old marlboro camra over this new crap any day...also working on the wall that seperates the bloom room from veg room in pic.. the veg room will have a 2x4 table and a clone king 36 site and overhead 1 315watt cdl and a 150 watt cfl..u can see the veg table in pics..if you have any questions or want me to take a pic of somthing please let me know,, just doin the best i can with this crappy camera,,or maybe its just me?

They're looking good to me. You know I forgot to mention the other day. I don't switch from MH to HPS until the stretch is done.

I'm not picking on you. But I look at this and you know what screams out to me? All that space under the table is wasted. I've been playing with hazes I couldn't fit the table and my strain in my area. That's why if I were to leave my pro mix medium I think I'd go to ebb n flo buckets. Because you're area looks a lot like mine. I've got 7 foot from floor to ceiling. Boy I wish I had a greenhouse.