Chelsea Manning files to run for US Senate seat in Maryland

Rob Roy

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Is that mental patient talk for Rob Roy is eating his own feces again and now wants to masturbate in public.
They are never going to release you dude.
No, it means while you were home categorizing your collection of laundry room stolen soiled underwear, I was out feeding the chickens, grabbing firewood and peeing behind the shed while the coffee brewed.
 

Fogdog

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I've never cited counterpunch

I cited the BBC and Wired.com in the post you quoted

The clip in question cited as 'Collateral Murder' shows American soldiers actively committing war crimes. That's a pretty big deal

The US government admitted it was valid by prosecuting and convicting Manning for leaking it. Not only that, you can tell it's valid by watching the clip, these are American pilots with American accents in Baghdad firing on a group of innocent people, including two AP journalists and two children. Are you implying this clip is a fabrication? That it's 'fake', that it never happened? That two American journalists were not killed?




Is the translation false or misleading?

I did cite multiple mainstream sources. You've denied them all claiming they're fake, just like Trump does with anything he doesn't like

No shit. That's exactly what tty and I have been saying since 2016. Our policies are largely pretty center of the road, economics being slightly left of center. That's why it's easy for people who call themselves conservatives to understand and support our policies and that's why Sanders receives standing ovations in deep red states/districts whenever he visits them. Things like universal healthcare, universal college, a living wage, etc. are not exclusive to the left. Many conservatives and independents support them, too.

Nonsense. You say this because you disagree with the language I choose to use, not the policies I support

You support Democratic politicians who capitulate to the right, like Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp, not me. You defend them from getting primaried by more progressive Democrats because you believe a more progressive Democrat in a red state will lose to the Republican. Because of people like you, there is no effective opposition to Trumpism. Only McResistance. Fabricated, fake, opposition.
Effective opposition demonstrated in Wisconsin. Democrats flipped a state Senate seat that had been held by right wingers for 18 years. Seems that she had no affiliation with Sanders' "Our Revolution" reform effort or Justice Democrats. She had strong support from Wisconsin's Democratic Party. It was a rural district too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2018/01/16/democrats-flip-state-senate-seat-in-wisconsin/?utm_term=.c72a2fc5eca0
The Democrat’s upset win was the 34th pickup for the party of the 2018 cycle.

That makes it 34 times the Democrats have flipped a state or national seat to only 4 for Republicans.

Justice Democrats account for one of those 34 seats.

You can continue to deny the trend isn't going your way. It's OK. Everybody laughs at you but that's about how it's been for you lately.
 

Padawanbater2

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Effective opposition demonstrated in Wisconsin. Democrats flipped a state Senate seat that had been held by right wingers for 18 years. Seems that she had no affiliation with Sanders' "Our Revolution" reform effort or Justice Democrats. She had strong support from Wisconsin's Democratic Party. It was a rural district too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2018/01/16/democrats-flip-state-senate-seat-in-wisconsin/?utm_term=.c72a2fc5eca0
The Democrat’s upset win was the 34th pickup for the party of the 2018 cycle.

That makes it 34 times the Democrats have flipped a state or national seat to only 4 for Republicans.

Justice Democrats account for one of those 34 seats.

You can continue to deny the trend isn't going your way. It's OK. Everybody laughs at you but that's about how it's been for you lately.
"The writing is on the wall. The Democratic base is hugely excited -- largely due to their distaste for Trump. The Republican base -- at least for most of 2017 -- has been less passionate. And that sort of base enthusiasm disparity has translated -- and likely will continue to translate -- into major gains for Democrats in the midterms."

Distaste for Trump is not enthusiasm for Democrats. That's the same thing we told you about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election, which is why she lost.. Trump is so shitty, even a shitty Democrat will beat him. This is nothing to be proud of. It leads to the same kind of cycle of cynicism that led to Trump being elected in the first place.

And you're very confused if you think only one JD has won their election. Check the record again. The difference is JD's win because they actually represent their constituents instead of the monied interests who fund their campaigns.
 

UncleBuck

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Distaste for Trump is not enthusiasm for Democrats.
you once tried to tell me that the working class only voted for clinton because trump was the alternative.

but then i informed you that the working class voted for clinton over sanders. and you went mute.

can't you just stay shutted the fuck up?
 

Padawanbater2

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you once tried to tell me that the working class only voted for clinton because trump was the alternative.

but then i informed you that the working class voted for clinton over sanders. and you went mute.

can't you just stay shutted the fuck up?
Edit: The results of the 2016 Democratic primary are ultimately tainted by the misconduct that was revealed by Wikileaks. Any argument based on the results of the primary is rendered moot.

The only Democrats who carry national enthusiasm are Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren because they appeal to populist progressive policy positions. Even Kirsten Gillibrand listed Bernie Sanders the "leader of the Democratic party". They both consistently rank among the top 2 in most popular politicians in the country..

The writing is on the wall. We know whose popular and who isn't, and more importantly, why. Establishment politicians you support aren't popular among the progressives, working class, or the African American voter base. They're not popular with women, unless they're a woman. Midterms will further prove the point. Be patient.
 
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UncleBuck

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The only Democrats who carry national enthusiasm are Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren because they appeal to populist progressive policy positions. Even Kirsten Gillibrand listed Bernie Sanders the "leader of the Democratic party". They both consistently rank among the top 2 in most popular politicians in the country..

The writing is on the wall. We know whose popular and who isn't, and more importantly, why. Establishment politicians you support aren't popular among the progressive, working class, or African American base. They're not popular with women, unless they're a woman. Midterms will further prove the point. Be patient.
that in no way addressed the fact that you once tried to tell me that the working class only voted for clinton because trump was the alternative.

but then i informed you that the working class voted for clinton over sanders.

will you ever address this embarrassing and gaping hole (non duct tape related) in your failure of a philosophy?
 

Padawanbater2

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Here's where you deny it, even though those involved admit it

Then you move the goalposts to it didn't matter, even if they did


But I thought you said they didn't do it?
 

Padawanbater2

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BUT WIKILEAKS!

unverifiable russian propaganda that trump depended on. nice try, "progressive"
Why do they admit it if it's unverifiable?

The Clinton camp freely admits they bought the DNC in 2015. Your excuse is "So what, she financed the party!?"

Back to denying it?
 

UncleBuck

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wikileaks forced you to make the argument that the working class only voted for clinton because trump was the alternative, even though the working class voted for clinton when bernie (russian stooge) was the alternative as well.
 

Padawanbater2

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wikileaks forced you to make the argument that the working class only voted for clinton because trump was the alternative, even though the working class voted for clinton when bernie (russian stooge) was the alternative as well.
Like I said, any point trying to be made based on the results of a tainted election is moot
 
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