Cfl vs. H.I.d. + seed shopping

Blowinls

Member
Hi I'm on my first test run grow with regular bag seed mids but am planning on ordering seeds from additude any good suggestions for a begginner with good yeilds and rite now I have a little low watt cfl set up but next week is payday an was thinking of getting a 400 watt hps or just making a 6 x 42 watt cfl fixture what do you think?
 

DoeEyed

Well-Known Member
Hi I'm on my first test run grow with regular bag seed mids but am planning on ordering seeds from additude any good suggestions for a begginner with good yeilds and rite now I have a little low watt cfl set up but next week is payday an was thinking of getting a 400 watt hps or just making a 6 x 42 watt cfl fixture what do you think?
Wow 6x42w CFL's? That's over 10,000 lumens! That would be amazing to veg under! However - the HPS would do better for flowering. Tough call there. Probably put off about the same amount of heat, as well. I don't know. As for seeds, I hear good things about white widow, lots of folks seem happy with the quality and the quantity, seems pretty easy to grow - it's my next strain.:peace:
 

guitarzan420

Well-Known Member
widow is the bomb. wish i took pics of my ww grow last year. very potent! even my "pothead" friends wouldn't smoke it during the day. called it herojuana!!!
 

PowerZZ

Member
Northern lights is a good yielder stays short and is good smoke. If you like the white widow and cant choose between WW and NL you have Crystal which is WW/NL Back-crossed.
I am fixxing to do a 6x 42w CFL grow also all 2700. I have other bulbs for veg.
 

jsteezy1290

Well-Known Member
cfl's are good for smaller grows, like 1 to 3 plants in small areas but if you want to grow any more than that then go with a 4oo watt
 

Brick Top

New Member
By all means purchase the HID light and if possible pick one with a switchable ballast so you can run both MH and HPS bulbs and not have to use a conversion bulb.
 
Regardless of any argument anyone can or will make for or against either HID lighting or CFL lighting in the end hands down every time when it comes to grams produced to watts used HID wins every time and wins by a landslide.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Wow 6x42w CFL's? That's over 10,000 lumens! That would be amazing to veg under!:peace:

If he purchases a 400-watt HID with a switchable ballast and use a MH bulb he could then veg under 37,000 lumens, that is 3.7 times as many lumens as you called an amazing amount.


Think he should purchase the 400-watt HID?
 

DoeEyed

Well-Known Member
If he purchases a 400-watt HID with a switchable ballast and use a MH bulb he could then veg under 37,000 lumens, that is 3.7 times as many lumens as you called an amazing amount.


Think he should purchase the 400-watt HID?
Well, you've got your opinion, I've got mine. I agree the HPS beats CFL's for flowering hands down. But I personally like the CFL's better for vegging, less heat, less startup cost, less operating cost, and I'm not the only one.:peace:
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Hey, I got two cents worth of opinion, but I am partial and fond of my CFLS. They love me and give me free pot.
If you want to start an arguement fast, then visit an Internet Grow Forum or Chat Room and mention CFLs vs HID Lights.
Let me just tell you a fact. HID Lights (High Intensity Discharge Lights) are much more efficient than CFLs (Compact Flourscent Lights) and they grow FASTER and penetrate a large plant much better than CFLs do. HID lights grow tighter denser buds too. That is a fact no one should argue. HIDs win easily.
Wait a minute. What costs more to purchase? What requires a fancier Reflector and costs more to hang? What cost more to use and adds more to the electric bill? What cost more to handle the HEAT?

HEAT? I can touch a 200 watt CFL for ten seconds and not burn my hand. I can hold a burning 42, 65, or 85 watt bulb in my hand for five seconds and not get burnt. I can touch a HID bulb for half a second and have a serious blister and burn. Touching a HID bulb is like touching the burner on an electric stove. If you use HID bulbs, not only will you have to cool the bulb, you will have to cool the grow area too. Growing with HID lights requires VENTING the HEAT, and that cost extra money.

If you are a large scale grower, or commercial grower, HID lights are best for you.
If you are a small grower, a closet or tent grower, then CFLs are your best, easiest, cheapest way to grow.

As I mentioned, I like the cheaper CFLs because of their mobility and ease of use. When I did my first grow three years ago, a 65 watt CFL was the largest made and sold. Today I see up to 300 watt CFLS, but I do not advise using the larger watt CFL bulbs.

Let me tell you about CFLs.

From Ed Rosenthal:

In the new Skunk Magazine there was a question in the "Ask Ed" section that just made my night last night when reading it...



The question was:

I intend to grow a single cannabis plant in a space 1' x 2'. What light would you recommend? I was think of using four 30-watt compact fluorescent lamps. Will this be enough? Cost isn't an issue but I am deterred from getting a high pressure sodium [light] because of the amount of heat the bulb produces.

Answer:

As you mentioned, you have several lighting systems to choose from, including compact fluorescents and high pressure sodium (HPS) lamps. Among HPS lamps you have a choice between a single 100-watt lamp which uses a total of about 120-watts and emits about 8,800 lumens(73 lumens per watt) or a 150-watt lamp, which uses about 180 watts and emits almost double that-15,800 lumens (87 lumens per watt).

A 42-watt compact fluorescent (CFL) emits about 2700 lumens(64 lumens per watt). Four 42 watt CFLs use 168 watts and emit 10,800 lumens. Other size CFLs have a similar efficiency.

However, that is only part of the story. Plants use mostly red and blue light. Yellow and green light is of little use to them, so light that is emitted in these spectrums is wasted energy. Most of the light emitted by HPS lamps is in the yellow spectrum. Only a small amount of the emitted light is is in the orange or red spectrums, which plants use efficiently. Warm white fluorescents (2700 Kelvin) emit a greater portion in the red and orange sectors.
Although fluorescents produce only about 75% of the light per watt that the HPS does, the amount of light usable by the plant is equal or probably higher with the fluorescents. You may wish to experiment to see if adding a single cool white CFL to replace one warm white results in shorter, stouter stems and more vigorous growth. The reasoning is that warm whites don't emit much blue light, which the plants use for photosynthesis and to regulate their growth. The cool white bulb supplies the blue light.

My call for your unit would be to use several (three to five) CFLs with a total input of between 120-160 watts. Although the 150 watt HPS is a bit more efficient that the CFLs in total output, watt for watt the fluorescents provide as much useful light as the HPS lamp. Heat is another consideration. The HPS runs much hotter and emits more heat than the fluoescents.

Make sure to use reflective material around the garden so that any light escaping the garden is reflected back to the plants. Any light that doesn't get to the plant leaves is wasted.


Look at a lumen/watt ration of various CFL's. The higher the wattage of CFLs, the lower the lumen/watt ratio. This chart was submitted by Jerry Garcia, of RIU and edited for typos.

For example...

the 200w listed at 9250 lumens for a lumens/watt ratio of 9250/200=46.25

the 150w is listed at 7500 lumens for a l/w ratio of 7500/150=50

the 125w is listed at 6500 lumens for a l/w ratio of 6500/125=52

the 42w are listed for 2700 lumens, l/w ratio of 2700/42=64.28

I have some 26w that give off 1700 lumens for a l/w ratio of 1700/26=65.38

GE lists some 13w that give off 825 lumens for a l/w ratio of 825/13=63.46

So, according to these numbers the most efficient bulbs for growing are the 26w that emit 1700 lumens. If you used 8 26w bulbs (208 watts total) you'd be getting 13,600 lumens...4,350 more lumens than a single 200 watt cfl.

I suppose you need to purchase more sockets and cords and things to support 8 bulbs, but in the long run more lower watt CFLs seem like the way to go.
 
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