CBD and schizophrenia?

ford442

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Hi all,
I have undifferentiated schizophrenia and i take a second generation anti-psychotic Zyprexa 15mg. It has terrible side effects and potentially life threatening ones whereas CBD has none. Do any of you have info about where or when pure CBD medicine can be obtained? Are any of you involved in psychiatric treatment involving cannabis? I am getting impatient waiting for prohibition to end just to get a hold of the non psychoactive cannabinoids.
If and when pure CBD or CBDa is available I intend to attempt to switch my treatment to that.
Thanks for any input!
 

bostoner

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Well one idea is to use the different degrees each cannabinoid vaporizes at. With a little searching I believe THC vapes at around 315 F and CBD at 370 F. So I'm thinking you may be able to heat the product close to 370 and air off most of the vapors from the other cannabinoids. Then use it to make oil or something. That's as close as I can think of off the top of my head to get cdb with less thc. Not sure which others will still be present. Obviously starting off with a high cdb strain would be crucial.
 

ford442

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Pure CBD
With current laws and big pharma. It's going to be a long , long time.
check out info on Medical Marijuana Inc. they are isolating CBD, but I am impatient and want scientific info now instead of 100 years of lies.
 

Dragon'sHoardSeeds

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That it is man. That it is.

It's so ridiculous. They've been trying to get rid of it for so long and it's so easy to get. They need to just fucking give up
already and tax it just like alcohol and tobacco. That way the government can get they're share just like they think they
always need to. As far as I'm concerned this country belongs to the people. Not the bullshit politics and propaganda that
ruin everything. Rules and regulations get in the way of what is the right thing to do (Well the law says we can do this. So
we should do this even if it isn't the right thing to do). The world is fucked up on greed. Big pharma wants to own the rights
to it so they can take all the profits. This country is supposed to be based on the people being able to stand up and say
"This isn't right and we're not going to take it anymore". So why aren't we?
 

ford442

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I have thought for some time now that hemp is the real enemy of the government.. Pot is just the smoke screen that makes it almost make sense..
Pot was made illegal to stop hemp after all - I think that it is exactly the same today.. Hemp has the potential to overturn oil, steel, meat, pharma, etc.. more so than weed..
Hearst, DuPont, Anslinger, and Mellon were in it for the hemp ban - nothing directly to do with arresting mexicans and blacks, but i'm sure that made the insanity more palatable to uninformed law enforcement of the day..
 

Dragon'sHoardSeeds

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I have thought for some time now that hemp is the real enemy of the government.. Pot is just the smoke screen that makes it almost make sense..
Pot was made illegal to stop hemp after all - I think that it is exactly the same today.. Hemp has the potential to overturn oil, steel, meat, pharma, etc.. more so than weed..
Hearst, DuPont, Anslinger, and Mellon were in it for the hemp ban - nothing directly to do with arresting mexicans and blacks, but i'm sure that made the insanity more palatable to uninformed law enforcement of the day..
I dont' know about that. They grow Hemp in other countries and they still have all of that stuff. And there's other crops that produce oil. And how does hemp replace steel? And people aren't going to stop eating meat just because hemp seeds are more available. And there is a lot of medicines that do things cannabis can't. By the way you can get hemp products legally all over the place

http://nutiva.com/hemp/

As far as I'm concerned the government is a bunch of ignoramuses whom are to proud to admit that they are wrong and imperfect.
 

ford442

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I dont' know about that. They grow Hemp in other countries and they still have all of that stuff. And there's other crops that produce oil. And how does hemp replace steel? And people aren't going to stop eating meat just because hemp seeds are more available. And there is a lot of medicines that do things cannabis can't. By the way you can get hemp products legally all over the place

http://nutiva.com/hemp/

As far as I'm concerned the government is a bunch of ignoramuses whom are to proud to admit that they are wrong and imperfect.
I still maintain that hemp was outlawed because it was a "billion dollar crop" for the farmers of 1937 and didn't feed the wall st. petrochemical money machine. Other countries only grow hemp if we let them and that has only been very recently. We made every nation in the UN sign a thing saying that they would not grow hemp - including Bangladesh (Bhang(hemp) la(land) desh (people)) - when they destroyed their primary crop - bhang - their topsoil eroded and floods moved in to kill them all - now if you hear about the once lovely Bangladesh it is because they are starving and decimated. Next, Henry Ford built the first automobiles out of hemp pressed into a substance stronger than steel - look it up! He also ran them off of hempoline made from cannabis oil. Hemp as a commodity needs strong roots before it can take on oil - it needs 100,000,000's of acres. From what i have read - growing hemp for energy is better than switchgrass or ethanol (corn/sugar). We can buy hemp items in the states, but at an insanely inflated price because it is imported internationally. $39.99 for a lump of fiber? Regarding meat - before it was banned - hemp was the number one animal feed in the world. it is incredibly healthy. some monks through history have been required to eat hemp seed every day and we all know how monks are always fat and dying of heart disease.. There are tons of things that other medicines do, but they often do it at the detriment of the person taking it and exist only to fit a profit margin.

Again - trying to make hemp legal is harder than marijuana because there aren't people marching in the streets with joints for 40 years for industrial hemp..
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/allow-industrial-hemp-be-grown-us-once-again/V2gV7rWy
 

ford442

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i had never thought of that.. wow.. that is a lot of steel..
the deal is that hemp has strong fibers when pressed - most wood when pressed has a strength equivalent to the length of its fibers - strong wood such as ceder has a few inches fiber length while hemp's fibers are as long as the entire stock!
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

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I have thought for some time now that hemp is the real enemy of the government.. Pot is just the smoke screen that makes it almost make sense..
Pot was made illegal to stop hemp after all - I think that it is exactly the same today.. Hemp has the potential to overturn oil, steel, meat, pharma, etc.. more so than weed..
Hearst, DuPont, Anslinger, and Mellon were in it for the hemp ban - nothing directly to do with arresting mexicans and blacks, but i'm sure that made the insanity more palatable to uninformed law enforcement of the day..
WOW! I just read that and realized you're probably right... There is NO GOOD REASON why hemp should be banned, when the THC% is so very low (2-3%). So they can't really classify that as 'drug level'. Or can they? Even though the THC level is so very low, the CBD/CBN levels are high, and that IS notable indeed! Check out U.S. Patent #6630507 titled “Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants” which is assigned to The United States of America, as represented by the Department of Health and Human Services.

This basically gives the U.S. Government a bonafide 'monopoly' on not only the single greatest 'source' of high CBD/CBN levels, but also a way to keep hemp from competing with the paper/textile/wood industries. Everyone knows hemp can be made into many things besides rope, but none more than the non-sustainable industries it threatens! I'm actually quite surprised that nobody has called the Government on that lie yet.
Here's how it works:

The U.S. Government has in ALL of its branches, an agency or department for "Fraud, Waste or Abuse". The idea is you use it as a 'sounding horn' for our own government doing things in a horrible, wasteful way and THEY have to investigate it!

Once you point out that hemp based-paper, for instance is more 'sustainable and available at a much lower cost for the government, than paper made from trees, which takes 20-30 years to grow...the game is over. You could actually charge the U.S. Government for violating thier own 'rules and regulations' and force them to consider using hemp based products, except that the industries threatened by it would have a major fit! Would at least force Hemp back into the public eye and awareness. I think the 'Hate for Hemp' issue existed long before Hearst, DuPont, Anslinger, and Mellon, though. Also ironic that the very first person arrested in the U.S. for selling Marijuana was arrested on Oct 2nd, 1937. That's the same day that the new 'Marijuana Tax Stamp' was enacted. More here:

The First Pot POW After a decade of U.S. government scare propaganda that convinced Americans that crazed Mexicans, blacks and fans of jazz clubs were pushing marijuana "reefers" on school children and honest youths, turning them into raving murderers, politicians decided to act.
The U.S. Congress passed the Marijuana Tax Stamp Act. Growing and selling marijuana were still legal, but only if you bought a $1 government stamp. And that stamp was not for sale.

On the day the Marijuana Tax Stamp Act was enacted -- Oct. 2, 1937 -- the FBI and Denver, Colo., police raided the Lexington Hotel and arrested Samuel R. Caldwell, 58, an unemployed labourer and Moses Baca, 26. On Oct. 5, Caldwell went into the history trivia books as the first marijuana seller convicted under U.S. federal law. His customer, Baca, was found guilty of possession.
Caldwell's wares, two marijuana cigarettes, deeply offended Judge Foster Symes, who said: "I consider marijuana the worst of all narcotics, far worse than the use of morphine or cocaine. Under its influence men become beasts. Marijuana destroys life itself. I have no sympathy with those who sell this weed. The government is going to enforce this new law to the letter."
Caldwell was sentenced to four years of hard labour in Leavenworth Penitentiary, plus a $1,000 fine. Baca received 18 months incarceration. Both men served every day of their sentence. A year after Caldwell was released from prison, he died. (From Cannabis News)
 

ford442

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cool MacGuyver - we are on the same page here!
i think that hemp is the real cash cow that is hiding.. like Jack Herer said hemp can save the world!
 

polyarcturus

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hmmm i am interested in your post since my freinf has the same probs as you but wont take conventional meds, which i can understand. but it has become debilitating to him of recently what led you to your conclusion of cbd being usful in treatment?

also there are several strains high in cbd and you could take hash and heat it to convert it to somewhat pure cbd then smoke it or vape it.
 

ford442

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CBD has been through some scientific studies where they used it on schizophrenic patients as well as subjects given ketamine - both groups showed positive results equal to or better than amulsipride (first gen antipsych)
"anti-psychotic" is now listed as one of the properties of CBD - we already know that it helps to mitigate the psychoactive effects of THC - also protecting the brain from cell death resulting from alcohol use..
last night i noticed a thing - http://www.doobons.com/idrasil - i emailed them asking for a CBD only pill..
 

ford442

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from what i understand - pills generally tranquilize the brain and prod it into calming down whereas CBD actually repairs the misfiring receptors..
 

Dragon'sHoardSeeds

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Yeah. I actually have Bipolar Disorder Type 2 and social anxiety. They put me on Seroquel and now I can't stop taking it without having trouble sleeping and possibly ending up in the hospital again. It also gives me high cholesterol, triglycerides and blood sugar. I'm trying to get on disability right now but there's been so much bullshit involved with it and my mental health care. That it actually made me ill for awhile. They thought that because I admitted to trying drugs before that, that meant I was on drugs when I was in the hospital and that, that was what my problem was. I didn't find out about it until my hearing where my representative who was supposed to be helping me started in on me immediately and made me feel very uncomfortable. And then tolled me that my medical record said that I was on meth when I was in the hospital. They did this with out me ever stating that I was on drugs and having any proof via drug tests. I was turned down for benefits and couldn't get my medicine for awhile and became so angry and depressed that I tried to take my own life and ended up in the hospital again. I should sue my doctors for malpractice.
 

ford442

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there are a lot of different people at social security - like thousands, so you take a chance who is going to be on your side.. i was fortunate i guess that i was taken into the system right away - i was having suicidal thoughts and i called 911 wanting to talk it out - instead they came and quietly took me away to a hospital for a few days - i told them that i had been smoking marijuana and they were very nice about it - the cops didn't give it a second thought - the doctors even said that if they had a joint they would give it to me.. so, i started getting disability on the word of police and doctors.. now my father has passed away and i am waiting to see if i can take on his payments.. they made me jump through some hoops this time, but i think that they will do it.. when the facts are clearly on your side then they do it - their main interest is not being scammed by people who already have enough money..
 
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