Canuk Seed Bank a rip off

Buyer Beware. I see yet another seedbank trying to rip people off by misrepresenting their seeds. Canuk Seeds is selling what they call Ellis Dee and describe it as Skunk x Mazar when in fact the photo at least is Endless Sky (Iranian Indica) stolen from Dr. Greenthumb. Canuk Seeds are sold by True North Seeds in Bowmanville Ontario. See it here;

http://truenorthseedbank.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=81_97

Man I hope he pays you well at least.

OGMan said:

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Another one of these "intellectual property" arguments? Yes, it would be nice if everybody in the business would be honest about what they're breeding with but that's not going to happen, is it?
And to be honest, i have no respect for people who think they can cross 2 strains and call it their intellectual property. I bet half of the seed companies on the Attitude are "stealing" somebody else's stuff to breed with and that's perfectly fine. If you don't want others to use what you are selling then what stops you from releasing feminized seeds so there won't be any males available to breed with? Oh, i see, there's a lot of work and skill required to do this and a cool breeder doesn't do S1 anyway.
Maybe that's just me but i think this is Monsanto style. There are breeders who encourage their buyers to breed with their lines because they are interested in improving the quality for everybody.

BadInfluence said:

Another one of these "intellectual property" arguments? Yes, it would be nice if everybody in the business would be honest about what they're breeding with but that's not going to happen, is it?
And to be honest, i have no respect for people who think they can cross 2 strains and call it their intellectual property. I bet half of the seed companies on the Attitude are "stealing" somebody else's stuff to breed with and that's perfectly fine. If you don't want others to use what you are selling then what stops you from releasing feminized seeds so there won't be any males available to breed with? Oh, i see, there's a lot of work and skill required to do this and a cool breeder doesn't do S1 anyway.
Maybe that's just me but i think this is Monsanto style. There are breeders who encourage their buyers to breed with their lines because they are interested in improving the quality for everybody.

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They aren't actually stealing anything, the breeders trade their genetics with each other to make new crosses. AND if someone pops your seeds and than crosses it to their own than indeed it is their own now. Wether or not they aquired them through trading, gifting, seeds doesn't matter. If you don't like it don't buy it.

BadInfluence said:

Another one of these "intellectual property" arguments? Yes, it would be nice if everybody in the business would be honest about what they're breeding with but that's not going to happen, is it?
And to be honest, i have no respect for people who think they can cross 2 strains and call it their intellectual property. I bet half of the seed companies on the Attitude are "stealing" somebody else's stuff to breed with and that's perfectly fine. If you don't want others to use what you are selling then what stops you from releasing feminized seeds so there won't be any males available to breed with? Oh, i see, there's a lot of work and skill required to do this and a cool breeder doesn't do S1 anyway.
Maybe that's just me but i think this is Monsanto style. There are breeders who encourage their buyers to breed with their lines because they are interested in improving the quality for everybody.

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I think that you may have missed the point of the original post. The argument is not about intellectual property related specifically to the genetics but how the strain Ellis Dee is being marketed. The image for Ellis Dee is in fact dr greenthumbs endless sky and the op was pointing out that the breeder for Ellis Dee is questionable. I don't be live the two strains share the same lineage but the image selling the product is the same.....

coppershot said:

I think that you may have missed the point of the original post. The argument is not about intellectual property related specifically to the genetics but how the strain Ellis Dee is being marketed. The image for Ellis Dee is in fact dr greenthumbs endless sky and the op was pointing out that the breeder for Ellis Dee is questionable. I don't be live the two strains share the same lineage but the image selling the product is the same.....

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It has been pointed out that various companies have been doing this as well. Cali Connect using a picture of Black Cauldron for their blue dream haze for instance was one that was making people angry. There is a long ass thread about this and I am ripped so you'll have to find it yourself. When it comes down to it most have agreed that if the plant shows similar characteristics to the picture than why not. It is better than not having a picture at all for the company. It may not be honest but there are more than a few companies sharing pictures.

I fully understand and have seen the photos being used. I honestly don't think that using another breeders photo is better than not having one at all. Stealing or 'using' another breeders photo tells me a few things right off the bat, one the breeder has not grown the strain as photos do not exist and the strain has likely not been tested, another is that the breeder is dishonest and genetics should not be trusted. I am also not sold that most show similar characteristics because in this and other cases the lineage is not the same. Either way I don't really care, I would never buy unreliable genetics again having already tried the barnys farm, cc, and greenhouse before. Thanks for the response and I wish that I was ripped right now

coppershot said:

I fully understand and have seen the photos being used. I honestly don't think that using another breeders photo is better than not having one at all. Stealing or 'using' another breeders photo tells me a few things right off the bat, one the breeder has not grown the strain as photos do not exist and the strain has likely not been tested, another is that the breeder is dishonest and genetics should not be trusted. I am also not sold that most show similar characteristics because in this and other cases the lineage is not the same. Either way I don't really care, I would never buy unreliable genetics again having already tried the barnys farm, cc, and greenhouse before. Thanks for the response and I wish that I was ripped right now

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If you were here I would get you redonkeyripped. I agree with you wholeheartedly it is pure marketing scheme bullshit. If you don' thave 1 photo of your plants while in bloom how the hell are we supposed to trust you ever grew it out in the first place lol. I know companies who have rebranded their seeds so that they could try to get them to move faster. "cough dna cough" good ol elemental seeds "borealis 5" "night train" and a few others are actually just repackaged 7 year old beans from dna. I think it is pretty damn sad.

coppershot said:

I think that you may have missed the point of the original post.

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Yeah i realized that when i was reading it again. But nevermind, that rant felt so good.

OTE="OGMan, post: 10839223, member: 161295"]Buyer Beware. I see yet another seedbank trying to rip people off by misrepresenting their seeds. Canuk Seeds is selling what they call Ellis Dee and describe it as Skunk x Mazar when in fact the photo at least is Endless Sky (Iranian Indica) stolen from Dr. Greenthumb. Canuk Seeds are sold by True North Seeds in Bowmanville Ontario. See it here;

http://truenorthseedbank.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=81_97[/QUOTE]
I've made several purchases in the last few years from seed banks and received good seeds that lived up to their hype....but who really knows what ones getting. My last purchase thru Attitude was a waste of money in my opinion but hey live and learn. I try to cross as many strains as I can so I can always have free seeds and that practice started with my first purchase. This last harvest was from my own creation and so far so good at this juncture I have a couple hundred viable seeds for my use or a few select friends. So for a while I won't have to deal with seedbanks or worry about confiscation of my orders....one less thing to worry about right !
It's a crapshoot you're depending on someone's honesty and integrity and can only hope they're going to do what you're paying them for I think for the most part it's a safer bet going with the big names in the seed bank industry

well I know people who rely on Cannabis as medicine and they deserve to get what they pay for and not some mis-named or mis-labeled strain of unknown qualities

OGMan said:

well I know people who rely on Cannabis as medicine and they deserve to get what they pay for and not some mis-named or mis-labeled strain of unknown qualities

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oh like iranian...ahem..i mean auto affie...fuckin liar

lol. everyones doing this.. and a lot of the time. its the person making the website.. and shit.. don't have a photo and just pic one from online and toss it on there. fuck it .

It doesn't suprise me that crooks like untrue north seedbank are giving these junk seeds away with every order.

so many posts about various scam companies, we need a sticky with reliable information on where to get stuff.

I've actually placed like three orders from true north. They all came and I switched to them from SeedSupreme. I chose them because they had the best selection of dinafem seeds. Which if I'm not cloning is the only seeds I buy. I don't breed yet in my ventures so there really isn't a point. Anyway I've always gotten what I ordered. They do give alot of freebies, including skme from whatever breeder you buy from, plus the aforementioned "canuk" seeds. I haven't popped any of the dinafem freebies but the ones I bought have all done well. I did pop 2 canuk seeds. They were autos one survived and it was actually a pretty unique auto. Called quarter pounder it had side branching like no auto I've had before. Anyway what led me to this link was; I was searching to see if anyone had actually bought their 1000 pack. That's right they sell a 1000 pack. Whoever would buy that many and not just start taking cuts is beyond me. Maybe phenotype hunting. But still I wonder how many hermies are in those things.oh yeah the quarter pounder shot a few male organs in the beginning. By the way this plant was destroyed a few days ago due to a robbery on the adjacent roof. A big grow op burglary. But to be safe I had to destroy a few autos I was growing outside. Not much of a loss in yield and they were freebies. But still very sad. Yeah but there is just a deal between canuk and truenorthseeds. Maybe they are owned by the same umbrella company.who knows. If my seeds get here and they are what they are I'll keep buying from them though.

I've made a couple purchases from these folks(true north), have seeds poppin right now (canuk seeds), they have been great with me. My experience says I'd have to recommend them.

True North seed bank has worked out well for me. 4 orders and when there was a problem they fixed it. I run all canuck seeds because i kept ordering at the 50% off sale. Every strain I have grown tastes like it should. I only order the 20% and up rated ones so i have an idea they can be the stronger versions. I have not been dissapointed.

Train Wreck was a little too intense for me, Jack Herer was great except for that burning rubber ish smell (But it works very nice). King Tut, Sour Kush and White Rhino are my 3 favorites but I like that fruity berryish flavor.

Their white widow grew big. The autos were ok but I have yet to get more than 49 grams from one. They came as freebies

The freebies have been gutted from what it was but if you wait for a sale you can do ok.

And since i have figured out the paper towel method works the best for me i have 100% germ rates.

gwheels said:

True North seed bank has worked out well for me. 4 orders and when there was a problem they fixed it. I run all canuck seeds because i kept ordering at the 50% off sale. Every strain I have grown tastes like it should. I only order the 20% and up rated ones so i have an idea they can be the stronger versions. I have not been dissapointed.

Train Wreck was a little too intense for me, Jack Herer was great except for that burning rubber ish smell (But it works very nice). King Tut, Sour Kush and White Rhino are my 3 favorites but I like that fruity berryish flavor.

Their white widow grew big. The autos were ok but I have yet to get more than 49 grams from one. They came as freebies

The freebies have been gutted from what it was but if you wait for a sale you can do ok.

And since i have figured out the paper towel method works the best for me i have 100% germ rates.

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I've had lots of Jack herer + none of it smelled like burning rubber, but they were clones.

Also Sour Kush shouldn't taste like fruity berry either

Sour kush is like an acrid diesel mixed with kush. I like that sour taste and the fruity taste (i should have specified).

And Jack Herer smells like Jack. It is that skunky haze aroma that for some reason reminds me of a rubber kind of smell. Now i was pretty high and i did smoke it in the garage so maybe it is just the timing. Turned out pretty stellar.

Train Wreck is like you remove the skunk and add a sweet floral taste (like bubblegum ish). But I am old and my taste buds have a lot of miles.