Can it be white mold or spider mite web?

Dude_420

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Hello,

I had serious problems with mites about 5 weeks before harvest. I was enable to slow them down and nearly kill them, but they came back and about 3 days before harvest I had really a lot of them everywhere, but I know I already won the battle.

I switched the lights off 2 days before harvest, so water and all nutrients are sucked up. Then I began to harvest, and had a real good air circulation and about 70 degree temperature. Everything was placed over a newspaper and I didn't build any piles.

After first day all the paper was wet so I replaced it, because so much moisture was coming out. After 3 days of drying I put all on a closet on shelves, again over newspaper and didn't make any piles. I left the doors open and had about 17000 cubic feet per hour of air being sucked out from the top of the room. Now 7 days later, I checked everything and found on parts, also deep inside, some white web. I remember finding white web also inside when I was harvesting and trimming, so I know that was web, but now i'm not so sure. Temperature in the closet was at least 60 degrees, but there wasn't any air breezing directly. However doors being open and the ventilation being that extreme inside the whole room should make the moisture spread out pretty effectively. If any moisture vaporizes, it spreads because of entropy. So air can flow free but nothing was actually breezing directly inside those closest.

Do any experts have any guesses, is this just the leftovers of the mites web or is it white mold? Can mold occur even the air could flow freely? And so much of air was sucked out, not just directly. I really cannot tell the difference of this mold or web thing. The smell was not bad in anyways, to me it was pretty much the same at the first day of harvest: a little "grassy"/fresh as it was wet but now it was only a very little moist, not wet at all. Still it had a little bit of that fresh, "plant-like" smell. There was no that kind of grassy smell like usually on leaves and definitely no earthy smell. To me it smelled good, but I'm a little worried.

I've read people saying that any kind of grassy smell is bad and the pictures i've been looking look pretty much same to me with the white mold, but I would say it is web. But I also have understood that you wont get mold easily during drying if you do it on open space with about room temperature. Now I had also air being sucked out from the same room.

So the facts are:
- there was mites
- there was web also inside, at the time of harves
- there is just fresh good smell, not earthy and not any kind of very grassy, but same kind of "grassy" as with it is directly after harvest
- there were a very little moist, but not wet at all (test patch told me 27% of weight still left, I've ended up sometimes with 15-18% so they might not be completely dry, however I've read people have it as high as 25-30% weight left and being ready to storage.
- it is the 7th day of drying
- 2 days without lights prior to harvest do increase humidity
- they were inside closet, but not piled, on shelves with thin layers, doors open
- ventilation was good but no breezing directly to shelves
- temperature was for the last 4-5 days about 60 degrees or a little bit more. about 70 for the first 3 days
 
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cindysid

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Some pics would help, but usually if I think it might be mold...it is. I hang mine so that they get airflow from all sides. I think that's your problem. Placing them on a solid surface in a closet with no direct airflow could definitely cause a huge mold issue.
 

Dude_420

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Some pics would help, but usually if I think it might be mold...it is. I hang mine so that they get airflow from all sides. I think that's your problem. Placing them on a solid surface in a closet with no direct airflow could definitely cause a huge mold issue.
The newspaper helps a little bit, because it sucks moisture and helps to vaporize it with a bigger surface, I never pile them and never had or have seen this kind of problems. Only when people storage too early. Ill try to get pics if possible, cellphone quality is however too bad. The dilemma is here that there was already web inside and I'm 100% sure that was spider mite web. There was literally hundreds of them on a single branch on the last day.

Should mold smell earthy or at least weird, not like fresh?
 

cindysid

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Mildew smells...like mildew, but I've had some white mold that didn't have much of an odor at first, but as it became more dry it developed a slightly "off" smell.
 

HydroRed

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The newspaper helps a little bit, because it sucks moisture and helps to vaporize it with a bigger surface, I never pile them and never had or have seen this kind of problems. Only when people storage too early. Ill try to get pics if possible, cellphone quality is however too bad. The dilemma is here that there was already web inside and I'm 100% sure that was spider mite web. There was literally hundreds of them on a single branch on the last day.

Should mold smell earthy or at least weird, not like fresh?

Unfortunately, I dont think anyone can give any definitive answers without pics. Whether it's bugs, webs or mold -why would you want smoke buds with any of them?
 

Dude_420

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Unfortunately, I dont think anyone can give any definitive answers without pics. Whether it's bugs, webs or mold -why would you want smoke buds with any of them?
I was thinking that someone could have experience with mite infestation and maybe same kind of results at the end. Or some opinions about the circumstances where mold usually appears or doesn't.

I don't think web is actually a problem as it would be less than 1 / 10.000 of the total weight and being nontoxic. In my opinion it would be as big problem as dust, which occurs anyways in very small amounts while drying. Same with the mites, they are so tiny that they are not noticeable while smoking. Anyways there are thousands of micro-organisms wandering all around the house and also crawling around the plants. Dead flies would be a different case, sure only in my opinion.
 

natureboygrower

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i dont like the idea of drying on newspaper for a couple reasons,one has already been brought up,airflow.the other is,if your bud is slighthly damp,id be concerned about picking up some of the newspaper ink.i have seen that fine white webbing outdoors(hard to be sure without pics) but it wasnt mites,just regular spiders.
 

Dude_420

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i dont like the idea of drying on newspaper for a couple reasons,one has already been brought up,airflow.the other is,if your bud is slighthly damp,id be concerned about picking up some of the newspaper ink.i have seen that fine white webbing outdoors(hard to be sure without pics) but it wasnt mites,just regular spiders.
That's true that the ink could be absorbed. I've seen a couple of friends drying very large amounts on flat surfaces, no mold issues there. I think my humidity was max 50% because of the ventilation of the room, the suction is really high. The shelves had at least half a feet space over them, so there was a lot of room for the air to move however. I have to get a real camera to get good pictures here.
 

HydroRed

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Mites build webs as a means of travelling on the plants and protecting their eggs. If there are what appears to be webs on the inside of the plant, its likely mold and not webs.
 

Dude_420

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Mites build webs as a means of travelling on the plants and protecting their eggs. If there are what appears to be webs on the inside of the plant, its likely mold and not webs.
Yes I get the point, but there was web at the time of harvest and it was definitely mites' web. there were white and orange dots: females and cocoons. I'm just thinking, If I can find even fair amount of those in the web now, can it prove that it is not mold or does it prove nothing at this point. One thing that concerns me is also that the web inside, but not so deep, could prevent the moisture from vaporizing which leads to molding from deeper inside. Just guessing.
 

slow drawl

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You need a hygrometer to know your humidity during the drying period..no guessing. If you pick up a cheap 40x loupe you can definitely tell the difference between the two.
 

Dude_420

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I checked again today, it was definitely web. However I discovered a little black mold inside few of the biggest web balls.
 

70's natureboy

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Sounds like some scary shit. I pity the fool that gets suckered into buying it. I hope you don't sell it and try to do better next time around.
 

Warpedpassage

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Tip: Take a pice of completely dry chunky bud that you expect to have this webbing/mold on the inside. Hold bud up to light as you pull it apart. Do you see some powdery substance released into air? Those are mold spores, you have to look carefully and at the right angle. If you see this you will also see the mold on the inside. Now this mold could be the result of the webbing itself.

Good luck.
 

firsttimeARE

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Usually mold inside a bud will cause the area around the outside of the bud to appear rotted.

How I notice,bud rot is ill see a dead sugar leaf and ill spread the bud open slowly to peak in and if it crumbles or mushes its bud rot. The white cobweb like fur inside is also a give away.
 

Mass Medicinals

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Usually mold inside a bud will cause the area around the outside of the bud to appear rotted.

How I notice,bud rot is ill see a dead sugar leaf and ill spread the bud open slowly to peak in and if it crumbles or mushes its bud rot. The white cobweb like fur inside is also a give away.
When you say dead sugar leaf. Is the entire leaf dead? We have some that are just tip burned, wondering if we are going to find moldy colas.
 

firsttimeARE

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When you say dead sugar leaf. Is the entire leaf dead? We have some that are just tip burned, wondering if we are going to find moldy colas.
Naw. With bud rot the leaf will look limp and dead but will be brown. A burnt leaf will be crispy and not limp and will be more than just one spot. If anything a burnt leaf will curl upwards.

The dead leaf will be secondary to the mold. The mold is what kills the leaf.

Youll know. Ive only had it a few times so im not an expert on it. Its not the end of the world. I just cut the affected bud out and then wash my hands before i scan for more,rotted buds. Mine have only been isolated to a bud here and there.
 
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